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    Post by Jaime Fri Sep 11, 2009 7:09 pm

    Ray Parlour wrote:All this criticism for Brazil? People say all they have are set pieces and the counter attack which is utter tripe. They still have as good as individual talent as anyone. Robinho and Kaka could win games single-handedly.

    I'm sure Dunga understands this. They have more than enough creativity to unlock teams who park the bus.

    People don't half talk a lot of shit.

    Not any that matter though. ok
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    Post by Romford Pele Fri Sep 11, 2009 7:17 pm

    It is too early to judge, I agree with Prof.

    With regards to Robinho I think he has a better chance to make his mark in a big game since he won't be the only key player in his team that needs to be watched.
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    Post by Jaime Fri Sep 11, 2009 7:18 pm

    Ray Parlour wrote:It is too early to judge, I agree with Prof.

    With regards to Robinho I think he has a better chance to make his mark in a big game since he won't be the only key player in his team that needs to be watched.

    Wrong. He will run and hide like the little bitch that he is and leave all the hard work for Kaka.
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    Post by The Pröfessör Fri Sep 11, 2009 7:22 pm

    Ray Parlour wrote:It is too early to judge, I agree with Prof.

    With regards to Robinho I think he has a better chance to make his mark in a big game since he won't be the only key player in his team that needs to be watched.

    Robinho performed well in the big games in the last Copa which Brazil won. People are too quick to label top players as big game chokers these days.
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    Post by Romford Pele Fri Sep 11, 2009 7:23 pm

    Jaime wrote:
    Ray Parlour wrote:It is too early to judge, I agree with Prof.

    With regards to Robinho I think he has a better chance to make his mark in a big game since he won't be the only key player in his team that needs to be watched.

    Wrong. He will run and hide like the little bitch that he is and leave all the hard work for Kaka.

    He's improved a lot at City Biggrin
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    Post by Jaime Fri Sep 11, 2009 7:27 pm

    Ray Parlour wrote:
    Jaime wrote:
    Ray Parlour wrote:It is too early to judge, I agree with Prof.

    With regards to Robinho I think he has a better chance to make his mark in a big game since he won't be the only key player in his team that needs to be watched.

    Wrong. He will run and hide like the little bitch that he is and leave all the hard work for Kaka.

    He's improved a lot at City Biggrin

    Weaker competition. Biggrin
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    Post by Jaime Fri Sep 11, 2009 7:29 pm

    The Professor wrote:
    Ray Parlour wrote:It is too early to judge, I agree with Prof.

    With regards to Robinho I think he has a better chance to make his mark in a big game since he won't be the only key player in his team that needs to be watched.

    Robinho performed well in the big games in the last Copa which Brazil won. People are too quick to label top players as big game chokers these days.

    Dont agree mate. Julio Baptista was far more influential in the late rounds of the Copa America. Robinho scored six goals, five of which came against a very poor Chile side. Not exactly legendary stuff.
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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Fri Sep 11, 2009 9:20 pm

    The Professor wrote:Btw most of you are reading too much into the form of teams during qualification, that's the wrong time to judge teams. Wait till the knock out rounds of the WC before making some teams favourites.

    I'm going to wait until half-time in the final before I make any firm predictions. In the meantime, let's just sit quietly.
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    Post by Khadrim Fri Sep 11, 2009 10:39 pm

    Pierre Littbarski wrote:I can see only Brazil and Spain who are clearly better than us but they are just that and you tend not to get upsets at World Cups (in terms of who wins it).

    Glen Johnson, Heskey and, to a lesser extent, Green are red herrings - Barry and Lampard are going to be what stops us winning the WC and that shouldn't be too much of a suprise as its the most important area of the pitch.

    I've never been sure what Barry does exactly other than smash in 25 penalties a season for Villa.

    He doesn't have the passing range to be an Alonso or Pirlo, he isn't defensively sound enough to be a MAkelele and he isn't energetic enough to be a Masch/Gattuso.


    If Lampard played AM he would be OK but I saw something that worried me last night and it happened against Holland too:

    Lampard passes right or left to a player directly level with him and, no sooner has he played the pass than he "sprints" Very Happy forward so he is way beyond the ball.

    If the player he passed to has his pass cut out the opposition will be countering with only Barry between them and our CB's - Imagine that v Spain or Brazil !

    Barry has some qualities but is dreadful at one on one challenges when someone with a half-decent amount of pace and skill is running at him - he always steps to the side of them and trips them before holding his hands up.

    Lampard cannot play CM as if he is playing ofr Chelsea and has at least 2 deeper midfielders to cover his runs forward.

    You either play Lampard as an AM or play a CM instead - this will never work against top class opposition.

    Ranieri, Mourinho, Hiddink, Ancelotti - none would play him as part of a 2 man CM but Capello is OK with it.


    So he isn't as good as a world class specialist at their chosen skill. How about turning it around. He can pass better than Masch/Makalele and he can defend better than Pirlo/Alonso.

    He is a more complete player than any of them and is the best genuine CM England have.

    Not that I think Lampard is the answer but unless Hargreaves recovers or my personal pick Cattermole is given a chance who would you play instead.
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    Post by debaser Sat Sep 12, 2009 12:13 am

    The Professor wrote:Btw most of you are reading too much into the form of teams during qualification, that's the wrong time to judge teams. Wait till the knock out rounds of the WC before making some teams favourites.

    Spain barely made it to the last Euros but ended up wining it, France looked unbeatable leading up to Euro 2004 but were a joke in the tournament intself, the reverse was true for them for the 2006 WC. Brazil barely made it to Korea and Japan, but we all know how they performed in the tournament itself. I could go on and on....

    As I said wait till the knock out rounds. Injuries, form of (key) players, luck of the draw, teams being overrated or underrated etc all do play a BIg part in who ends up the eventual winner.

    I can see any of the big teams including the ones that are struggling now( Argentina, France, Portugal etc) go on and win it. It's too early people.

    Fuck it, let's just wait till the final. At least then we know that whoever we predict can't come worse than 2nd Smile
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    Post by Aristoskank Sat Sep 12, 2009 9:53 am

    Khadrim wrote:So he isn't as good as a world class specialist at their chosen skill. How about turning it around. He can pass better than Masch/Makalele and he can defend better than Pirlo/Alonso.

    He is a more complete player than any of them and is the best genuine CM England have.

    Not that I think Lampard is the answer but unless Hargreaves recovers or my personal pick Cattermole is given a chance who would you play instead.

    What is it with you and the Cattermole hype? I know he was destined to become the Alonso replacement at Liverpool until they decided an injured player was a better bet, but he's not that good. Is he?
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    Post by christmasborocooper Sat Sep 12, 2009 12:12 pm

    Cattermole is going to win you all over eventually.
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    Post by Khadrim Sat Sep 12, 2009 2:12 pm

    borocooper wrote:Cattermole is going to win you all over eventually.
    cheers
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    Post by shazlx Sat Sep 12, 2009 2:13 pm

    If Cattermole is coached well and he himself wants to become a great midfielder instead of just a fouler, then I see no reason why can’t become a more agile and more powerful version of Fletcher.

    IMO Fletcher > any of the CMs in Capello's last squad.
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    Post by Super Progress Sat Sep 12, 2009 2:26 pm

    The Professor wrote:Btw most of you are reading too much into the form of teams during qualification, that's the wrong time to judge teams. Wait till the knock out rounds of the WC before making some teams favourites.

    Spain barely made it to the last Euros but ended up wining it, France looked unbeatable leading up to Euro 2004 but were a joke in the tournament intself, the reverse was true for them for the 2006 WC. Brazil barely made it to Korea and Japan, but we all know how they performed in the tournament itself. I could go on and on....

    As I said wait till the knock out rounds. Injuries, form of (key) players, luck of the draw, teams being overrated or underrated etc all do play a BIg part in who ends up the eventual winner.

    I can see any of the big teams including the ones that are struggling now( Argentina, France, Portugal etc) go on and win it. It's too early people.
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    I think Argentina will be dangerous if they qualify for sure. France I don't know because they have the quality but I don't know they can perform inspite of Domench once again. This time they won't have Zidane.

    Brazil is a winning machine and I know who I will put my money on if Brazil run into Spain before the final. I think England can provide some of the same trouble to Spain. If you look back at the last match between England and Spain they struggled big time to create any big chances and they only opened scoring thanks to some Villa trickery.
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    Post by Guest Sat Sep 12, 2009 3:16 pm

    Believe
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    Post by debaser Sat Sep 12, 2009 3:19 pm

    borocooper wrote:Cattermole is going to win you all over eventually.

    He's the new Scott Parker. Decent enough but nowt special.
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    Post by Kimbo Sat Sep 12, 2009 3:21 pm

    debaser wrote:
    borocooper wrote:Cattermole is going to win you all over eventually.

    He's the new Scott Parker. Decent enough but nowt special.

    Parker shits on Cattermole.
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    Post by christmasborocooper Sat Sep 12, 2009 3:53 pm

    That wasnt them in the video you watched, Kimbo.

    Just two random blokes.
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    Post by debaser Sat Sep 12, 2009 3:55 pm

    'two random blokes' - not exactly the phrase I'd expect you to use to describe yourself and your mother
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    Post by christmasborocooper Sat Sep 12, 2009 3:58 pm

    Kimbo hasnt seen that. He saw the remake featuring two blokes, the film is called Nosey Parker(And Cattermole).
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    Post by Tweesus Tue Sep 15, 2009 12:19 pm

    What does everyone make of Capello's comment that anything less than getting to the final of the world cup would be a failure then Question

    Its possible that we might draw someone like Spain or Brazil in the quarters if we get there, which may put a dampener on any hopes of getting to the semis.

    Personally, I think it depends on who we face along the way. If we got to the semis, beating one of the big teams in the quarters (regardless of their current form, so France, Argentina, Brazil, Spain, Germany, Portugal, Italy and Holland would form that group) but going out to say Spain or Brazil, I think that would be a great achievment.
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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Tue Sep 15, 2009 12:33 pm

    lowballing media soundbite. Anything less than winning is a failure. If the World Cup was an annual occasion then perhaps you could have such benchmarks, but this is the last world cup for half our squad. Take out the players born in the 70's and early 80's, there isn't a team.
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    Post by Brian2468 Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:27 pm

    Capello has the squad together like a colony of driver ants. This will be our strength. Can he keep it this way. The teams ability levels may go up or down through injuries, can he keep his players ploughing over there opposition in the same style who knows. Getting a draw against a top team early could give us a good indication if Capello's driver ants have the bite...Smile
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    Post by bluenine Tue Sep 15, 2009 4:28 pm

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