Oranje Thread

It is pretty funny to make all sorts of excuses for the rather inconsistent performances of an Özil in a "non-footballing" side, and make no such allowances for the team-playing limitations and individual selfishness of the Dutch national team over recent years where van Persie is concerned.

His character might not be very appealing – for a change in a Dutch context – but there can be no question any more about his status as one of the world's top three strikers and as his country's one unquestioned world-class star right now, or indeed his ability to slot into a reasonably footballing team and make an immediate impact, even if he is better than the rest of them.

So Fey might be right in claiming he can start to do better in a young technical team with fewer of the other overrated egos getting in the way, let's see.

First, there is nothing to excuse in Özil's case. Özil's performances for Germany during Euro 2012 were sub par, but that probably applies to the vast majority of German players. However, there is tendency of making him responsible for shortcomings of the philosophy and game plan in Mourinho Madrid, coupled with the ridiculous expectation of a defence splitting pass in every minute of the match (to whom? I ask). And while Özil is far from being brilliant in every Germany match, the consistency of good to excellent performances for his country is on a whole different planet compared to Van Persie.

Özil just turned 24 and has his best years ahead of him. Van Persie is close to 30 and has never been convincing for his country, a shadow of the club player if there is any. That basically speaks for itself.

Time is running out for him, and while he may do better indeed as the sole focal point of the team, the quality of the team is not sufficient to win a major title, at least in foreseeable future. Van Persie, just like the rest of the Dutch "fab four", has already blown his best chances on the international level.

"Fag four"

Imagine how friggin awesome holland would be if it invaded Belgium.

It's very odd that a country like Holland - so often lauded for it's ability to churn out top quality young players, has now been totally eclipsed firstly by Ze Jarmans, and now the choccy munching wannabe Frenchies.

It says it all how far Holland have fallen that they now have to rely on a mediocre club like Feyenoord to provide the majority of their team. Holland need Ajax back doing what they do best, just like their awesome team of the 70s and 90s. Until then, frankly they are fucked.

Tchuss

Disco Benny wrote:Imagine how friggin awesome holland would be if it invaded Belgium.

It's very odd that a country like Holland - so often lauded for it's ability to churn out top quality young players, has now been totally eclipsed firstly by Ze Jarmans, and now the choccy munching wannabe Frenchies.

It says it all how far Holland have fallen that they now have to rely on a mediocre club like Feyenoord to provide the majority of their team. Holland need Ajax back doing what they do best, just like their awesome team of the 70s and 90s. Until then, frankly they are fucked.

Tchuss

This is beyond awesome Emily. If it would be in Dutch it could have been spoken like a true ajax fan.

I look at it differently though, I've said it for years that the Fey-jugend would become the backbone of this nation. Just like Rotterdam is for the economy. It had to happen, circle of life and all that. Now, it's true that on paper it doesnt look that much, and it is true that Holland are fucked if they fail. But, why would it fail? It worked for Germany, and this generation of Fey-Jugend, and especially the NBKKers (Natural born kraut killers) that will make Oranje in the next couple of years, are used to destroy Germany.

Expected Oranje line-up!

-------------Krul---------
Janmaat---de Vrij---Indi-----Blind
------------Clasie--------------
-----De Guzman--------Maher
Kuyt------van Persie-------Lens

The ones in bold are Fey-jugend, and I think it's fair to say that after Barcelona we have the best academy. Imagine if we didnt waste all that money in Africa, there would be even more Fey-jugend to pick!

I must say van Gaal's selection procedure is almost flawless. And it's clearly inspired by my manifest I wrote before the euros. http://www.europeanboard.net/t23781p30-oranje-thread

Many people mock van Gaal for his squad. But he is a visionary, like me. And he is doing everything to get Oranje back after all those years of darkness. Tomorrow will be an interesting game for sure.

Fey wrote:Expected Oranje line-up!

-------------Krul---------
Janmaat---de Vrij---Indi-----Blind
------------Clasie--------------
-----De Guzman--------Maher
Kuyt------van Persie-------Lens

The ones in bold are Fey-jugend, and I think it's fair to say that after Barcelona we have the best academy. Imagine if we didnt waste all that money in Africa, there would be even more Fey-jugend to pick!

I must say van Gaal's selection procedure is almost flawless. And it's clearly inspired by my manifest I wrote before the euros. http://www.europeanboard.net/t23781p30-oranje-thread

Many people mock van Gaal for his squad. But he is a visionary, like me. And he is doing everything to get Oranje back after all those years of darkness. Tomorrow will be an interesting game for sure.

van gaal had such an big impact on german football, I LOVE HIM

Kroos wrote:

Fey wrote:Expected Oranje line-up!

-------------Krul---------
Janmaat---de Vrij---Indi-----Blind
------------Clasie--------------
-----De Guzman--------Maher
Kuyt------van Persie-------Lens

The ones in bold are Fey-jugend, and I think it's fair to say that after Barcelona we have the best academy. Imagine if we didnt waste all that money in Africa, there would be even more Fey-jugend to pick!

I must say van Gaal's selection procedure is almost flawless. And it's clearly inspired by my manifest I wrote before the euros. http://www.europeanboard.net/t23781p30-oranje-thread

Many people mock van Gaal for his squad. But he is a visionary, like me. And he is doing everything to get Oranje back after all those years of darkness. Tomorrow will be an interesting game for sure.

van gaal had such an big impact on german football, I LOVE HIM

He certainly had He did more for German football in those few years then Schaaf did in his whole life. Downside is, Louis is telling this himself as well...and he told Pep as well that HE, LOUIS, laid the foundations for this current Bayern.

Anyway, official line-up!


----------------------------Krul----------------------------

Janmaat----------de Vrij----------Martins Indi---------Blind

-------Maher-------------Clasie------------Strootman--------

-------Lens-------------van Persie---------John-------------

Meh, Strootman. Also Robben is added to the squad cause rabbit got ill or something.

Pirlo v Clasie

Bayern is not Germany.

That statement is true in many ways...

blutgraetsche wrote:Bayern is not Germany.

That statement is true in many ways...

Well, they are the bestest you have to offer. Wasnt it a German politician that if the whole of Germany was like Bayern their would be any problems?

Besides Germany is one of the few countries where the south isnt considered retarded by the rest of the country

Holland U-21 are playing against Croatia.

The squad!

Patrick van Aanholt (Vitesse), Leandro Bacuna (FC Groningen), Marco
Bizot (FC Groningen), Jean-Paul Boëtius (Feyenoord), Jeffrey Bruma
(Hamburger SV), Thomas Bruns (Heracles Almelo), Virgil van Dijk (FC
Groningen), Lerin Duarte (Heracles Almelo), Ricky van Haaren
(VVV-Venlo), Mike van der Hoorn (FC Utrecht), Luuk de Jong (Borussia
Mönchengladbach), Florian Jozefzoon (RKC Waalwijk), Kelvin Leerdam
(Feyenoord), Jürgen Locadia (PSV), Bram Nuytinck (Anderlecht), Rajiv van
la Parra (sc Heerenveen), Tonny Trindade de Vilhena (Feyenoord),
Georginio Wijnaldum (PSV), Yanic Wildschut (VVV-Venlo), Jeroen Zoet (RKC
Waalwijk).

Boetius and Vilhena, the NBKKers, made their debut for the U-21....And Vilhena just scored the 1-3. What an insane talent. Me thinks he will skip the U-21 and will go to the seniors asap.

Fey wrote:

blutgraetsche wrote:Bayern is not Germany.

That statement is true in many ways...

Well, they are the bestest you have to offer. Wasnt it a German politician that if the whole of Germany was like Bayern their would be any problems?

Besides Germany is one of the few countries where the south isnt considered retarded by the rest of the country

That's very speculative considering the fact that Bayern used to be an agrarian country not too long ago and benefitted massively from the support of the other states (and the decline of Berlin after the divide - e.g. Siemens moved their headquarters to Munich because of that).

FC Bayern are Germany's biggest and richest club, they have the best squad, but as far as football philosophy and tactics are concerned, I wouldn't call them the best Germany has to offer. Van Gaal's undisputed achievement was implementing possession football into the modern Bayern DNA. But his dogmatism and Bayern's "by the book" implementation of traditional possession football of the Dutch mould, with a high emphasis on width (and hence side passes), made them predictable and quite often clueless against modern, well organised sides. Only now, after years of refinement by Heynckes, adding much needed defensive solidity and occasional counters and quick vertical passing to their repertoire, Bayern have the tools to overcome the really strong sides. It'll be much harder for Dortmund to beat them now, and beat them convincingly.

Other sides in Germany, Dortmund in particular, did have the tactical edge. And even a small club like Mainz, coached by a very promising upcoming coach Tuchel, gave them a hard time every time Bayern had to play them. Tactically, Van Gaal laid the foundation, but the refinement actually made them the formidable side they are now.

Van Gaal is a builder, not a sculptor.

GOAL!! 1-0 Holland. Lens.

I already had to change my underwear for a pass from Clasie to HSWHW

Christ, Pirlo and Clasie are touching eachother.

Italy had a few good counters so far, but good defending from de Vrij and BMI. Blind is clearly the weak link.

van Gaal together with me are part of the 1% in Holland when it comes to football intellect. The press thinks, these guys only play cause of injuries, but the 1% know better then that! Possession 60-40 for Holland.

de Vrij, BMI, Maher and Clasie all doing well. HSWHW will be subbed for the 2nd half.

Oh FFS Clasie off as well, De Guzman will replace him. Oh well, at least he will be fit for Sunday.

Robben should be put to sleep. The 1% knows his carreer his over, the rest of them sadly not. Worst player on the pitch this 2nd half by some distance. Kuyt is also on the pitch, but im indifferent towards him now these days.

Italy are beyond shite tbh. Buffon has more caps then the rest of the Dutch team that started combined.

Pff, Italy score a last minute equaliser. 1-1 FT. Was a mistake from Strontman imo. Good performance from Holland though, bar the last 4 minutes. If it was because Holland was that good or Italy that shite that remains to be seen.

Lots of Newcastle in this match.

Fey wrote:HSWHW

He scores when he wants.

He also leaves the pitch when he wants. Or to be more precise, when Fergie wants it!

Ratings from Goal.com:

Krul 7,5
Janmaat 7,5
de Vrij 8
BMI 7,5
Blind 6
Clasie 7,5
Strootman 7
Maher 8.5
RVP 8
Lens 8
John 5

Robben 6
Kuyt 4
van Rhijn 5.5
De Guzman 8

So after rock bottom, Holland is finally on the rise again it seems! Last nights game reminds me of.