Real Madrid C.F. 2007/08

kas wrote:Get used to it blut, I think Schuster's first choice partnership is Cannavaro and Pepe.

Gomes was the difference betw. the two sides. Class keeper.

I got used to it already unfortunately. Like I wrote earlier, it looks like Schuster is being extra strict with Metze because of his nationality, so nobody thinks he favours him because of that.

Whatever, Metzelder has to work his arse off and earn his starting place with good performances. He has to 'force' himself into the first XI.

Since 1888 wrote:It's a mystery why especially Milan haven't gone yet for Gomes.

they seem content with dida

blutgraetsche wrote:That's what you get for not playing Metzelder. He didn't play against hannover and PSV, you lost both matches, he did play against Moscow, you won.

Well, to be fair Metzelder has had a shaky start. So far, I would say Pepe has been by far our best CB, distantly followed by Ramos, then Cannavaro. Metzelder has been our worst CB so far but it's too early to judge. Even if this season he spends the majority of the time in the bench, Cannavaro is almost certain to leave after this season so Metzelder is bound to take over if he plays well enough.

blutgraetsche wrote:

kas wrote:Get used to it blut, I think Schuster's first choice partnership is Cannavaro and Pepe.

Gomes was the difference betw. the two sides. Class keeper.

I got used to it already unfortunately. Like I wrote earlier, it looks like Schuster is being extra strict with Metze because of his nationality, so nobody thinks he favours him because of that.

Whatever, Metzelder has to work his arse off and earn his starting place with good performances. He has to 'force' himself into the first XI.

hopefully he is patient and either displaces cannavaro or cannavaro will be sold after this season

Mexicanbecks wrote:2-1 FT, psv win

Dear me , well its only a friendly

who scored ?

Fair enough. He has to get used to the team and league for sure, it will take some time. And like I said, he has to earn his place, he has to do well in training and convince Schuster with his performances, and nothing else.

He knows that himself, and knowing him, he'll do his best to be a starter soon.

Did that Aissati guy play for PSV?

Calidad wrote:Did that Aissati guy play for PSV?

Yep, and scored aswell.

Calidad wrote:Did that Aissati guy play for PSV?

Yep. Very good player. Scored an absolute cracker as well.

Now it's time for Schuster to decide which players should stay or go. Assuming we get Robben and Ballack, I honestly think every canterano besides Soldado and Torres should be loaned out. None of them have convinced me in the slightest.

After today, Balboa has given me a few doubts about selling him, but he should be loaned out at least. I still doubt that he'll ever be good enough to play in the first team, but maybe he deserves a chance.

Bueno, Adrian, and Granero don't look ready to me and their options to play with be severely limited anyway, so they should be loaned out as well.

De la Red has been a big disappointment. He was absolute $h!t today and didn't do much more in other games. It doesn't seem like he's ready for the first team either. I think the mistake has been not to have loaned him out 1 or 2 years ago, so he's actually stagnated instead of improving.

Salgado should be shown the door and given away for free if necessary. He's completely useless and Cicinho is a much better backup.

Baptista's stay in a toss-up. I don't think Schuster really trusts him so if an offer higher than 15 million Euros come, I think we should sell him. I wouldn't mind if he stays though. He seems determined to fight for a place in the team and I respect that.

Torrente wrote:Now it's time for Schuster to decide which players should stay or go. Assuming we get Robben and Ballack, I honestly think every canterano besides Soldado and Torres should be loaned out. None of them have convinced me in the slightest.

After today, Balboa has given me a few doubts about selling him, but he should be loaned out at least. I still doubt that he'll ever be good enough to play in the first team, but maybe he deserves a chance.

Bueno, Adrian, and Granero don't look ready to me and their options to play with be severely limited anyway, so they should be loaned out as well.

De la Red has been a big disappointment. He was absolute $h!t today and didn't do much more in other games. It doesn't seem like he's ready for the first team either. I think the mistake has been not to have loaned him out 1 or 2 years ago, so he's actually stagnated instead of improving.

Salgado should be shown the door and given away for free if necessary. He's completely useless and Cicinho is a much better backup.

Baptista's stay in a toss-up. I don't think Schuster really trusts him so if an offer higher than 15 million Euros come, I think we should sell him. I wouldn't mind if he stays though. He seems determined to fight for a place in the team and I respect that.

I Agree, why was he never loaned out, the Raul thing is just something i'm just used to now, i think its a serious criminal offense not to start Raul and only the people inside the club know about it. Even the way new players kiss his ass to the media talking about him as if the team's well-bieng depends on Raul is just funny

Why don't you buy Aissati.

From Marca:

"Baptista no consiguió nada más aparte de infundir ganas al público para que Van Nistelrooy vuelva a jugar."

Torrente wrote:Now it's time for Schuster to decide which players should stay or go. Assuming we get Robben and Ballack, I honestly think every canterano besides Soldado and Torres should be loaned out. None of them have convinced me in the slightest.

After today, Balboa has given me a few doubts about selling him, but he should be loaned out at least. I still doubt that he'll ever be good enough to play in the first team, but maybe he deserves a chance.

Bueno, Adrian, and Granero don't look ready to me and their options to play with be severely limited anyway, so they should be loaned out as well.

De la Red has been a big disappointment. He was absolute $h!t today and didn't do much more in other games. It doesn't seem like he's ready for the first team either. I think the mistake has been not to have loaned him out 1 or 2 years ago, so he's actually stagnated instead of improving.

Salgado should be shown the door and given away for free if necessary. He's completely useless and Cicinho is a much better backup.

Baptista's stay in a toss-up. I don't think Schuster really trusts him so if an offer higher than 15 million Euros come, I think we should sell him. I wouldn't mind if he stays though. He seems determined to fight for a place in the team and I respect that.

I agree with everything you say except for I am in favor of dumping Cicinho as well. The problem with a lot of the canteranos showing themselves to still be green is that the squad is going to be very small. Particularly on the wings we would only have Robben (assuming we get him) and Robinho.

Just saw the match on RM TV a few hours ago. I'm having second thoughts about the idea of loaning out Marcelo, with Torres as the first choice left-back we can just grudually give him more and more minutes. Pepe

i dont really care to much about pre season so i dont care if they perform or not. its when the league starts we should decide what players that has what it takes.i will wait at least in parts untill i see super cup games but even then its still early and the young players still needs to get some games to get eased in which they will when the league really begins.

Mexicanbecks wrote:when do psv start competetive matches?

Dutch Charity shield in a week, competition starts in two weeks

Jaime wrote:

Torrente wrote:Now it's time for Schuster to decide which players should stay or go. Assuming we get Robben and Ballack, I honestly think every canterano besides Soldado and Torres should be loaned out. None of them have convinced me in the slightest.

After today, Balboa has given me a few doubts about selling him, but he should be loaned out at least. I still doubt that he'll ever be good enough to play in the first team, but maybe he deserves a chance.

Bueno, Adrian, and Granero don't look ready to me and their options to play with be severely limited anyway, so they should be loaned out as well.

De la Red has been a big disappointment. He was absolute $h!t today and didn't do much more in other games. It doesn't seem like he's ready for the first team either. I think the mistake has been not to have loaned him out 1 or 2 years ago, so he's actually stagnated instead of improving.

Salgado should be shown the door and given away for free if necessary. He's completely useless and Cicinho is a much better backup.

Baptista's stay in a toss-up. I don't think Schuster really trusts him so if an offer higher than 15 million Euros come, I think we should sell him. I wouldn't mind if he stays though. He seems determined to fight for a place in the team and I respect that.

I agree with everything you say except for I am in favor of dumping Cicinho as well. The problem with a lot of the canteranos showing themselves to still be green is that the squad is going to be very small. Particularly on the wings we would only have Robben (assuming we get him) and Robinho.

I admit Cicinho has been bad in this pre-season as well, but without him and Salgado we would have no backup for Ramos. To have Cicinho as backup RB is a luxury few teams could have.

But although the squad would be thin without those canteranos, we would still have decent backups in most areas of the field.

CBs - Pepe, Cannavaro, Metzelder, Ramos

Fullbacks - Ramos, Torres, Marcelo, Cicinho (and Pepe can play as a fullback in an emergency)

DMs - Gago, Diarra, (hopefully Emerson will be sold)

AMs - Guti, Ballack

Wingers - Robinho, Robben, Higuain, Marcelo (the latter 2 not real wingers but can play there)

Forwards - Ruud, Soldado, Saviola, Raul, Robinho


So our real problem is in the wings, which is why Balboa will probably stay. Since we could use other center midfielders, I think De la Red will stay as well.

Cristiano_Robinho wrote:Just saw the match on RM TV a few hours ago. I'm having second thoughts about the idea of loaning out Marcelo, with Torres as the first choice left-back we can just grudually give him more and more minutes. Pepe

Marcelo was good and I agree that he could be a good backup. He just needs to be a little less eagered sometimes. Like the play where he made a great move in which he kept the ball in the air with three touches and lobbed a PSV player. After that he had 3 PSV players on him. Instead of passing back, he tried to dribble all 3.

supermadrid wrote:i dont really care to much about pre season so i dont care if they perform or not. its when the league starts we should decide what players that has what it takes.i will wait at least in parts untill i see super cup games but even then its still early and the young players still needs to get some games to get eased in which they will when the league really begins.

The problem is that we can't afford to test them out anymore. We certainly shouldn't experiment against Sevilla, who could easily humiliate us if we play like we did in the first half against Lokomotiv. The season starts shortly after the Sevilla games.

If the season starts and they're not ready yet, they will simply be rotting on the bench for a season, so their progress will be hampered. Maybe we can take a chance on Balboa and De la Red, but I don't see a reason to do it with the rest.

According to AS we're after Drenthe again. It's funny, because when I was watching Liverpool - Feyenoord yesterday and Drenthe was having a great game, I thought to myself jokingly "I bet Pedja will be on the phone with the Feyenoord people tomorrow and pay them whatever they want".

I bet we'll end up buying him for 25 million

Pre Season Thus Far:

2 Wins, and 2 Losses.

The opposition we've been up against: Stoke, Moscow, Hannover and PSV.


We all know this is pre season, and main objective is to avoid injuries and the players to work on their fitness.

Schuster needs to get the new players in ASAP and have an idea about his XI, and start gelling it together, theres not long before the Madrid Derby.

Torrente wrote:According to AS we're after Drenthe again. It's funny, because when I was watching Liverpool - Feyenoord yesterday and Drenthe was having a great game, I thought to myself jokingly "I bet Pedja will be on the phone with the Feyenoord people tomorrow and pay them whatever they want".

I bet we'll end up buying him for 25 million

Watching the game, you will know Drenthe played LWF in a 4-3-3, and not a LB like Schuster wants to play him

Besides that 25M could be used on other players...

TM wrote:

Torrente wrote:According to AS we're after Drenthe again. It's funny, because when I was watching Liverpool - Feyenoord yesterday and Drenthe was having a great game, I thought to myself jokingly "I bet Pedja will be on the phone with the Feyenoord people tomorrow and pay them whatever they want".

I bet we'll end up buying him for 25 million

Watching the game, you will know Drenthe played LWF in a 4-3-3, and not a LB like Schuster wants to play him

Besides that 25M could be used on other players...

Well, to be fair we don't really know if Schuster intended to play Drenthe as LB. I think Drenthe will be Robben's backup if he comes, and he would certainly get a lot of playing time considering Robben's injury record.

I also don't see any reason why Drenthe wouldn't play well in the left wing on a 4-4-2. The question is if he's ready to make the step up to a big team. I'm not too sure about that.

Just read AS, apparently RQ will only come if the Robben deal falls through.

If the Robben deal does fall through, i think it will be scramble to sign RQ before the 31st.

This is the f*cking idiocy of el Gomina. He is only willing to offer Arsenal 6m. for Reyes but he is (probably) going to spend 12m + for Drenthe? Pedja needs to go NOW!

This is what we get though. Instead of behaving like a reasonable club and planning for the new season in May we have to sack the manager, hire a new one, and start completely from scratch in July and even once we start we still don't have a f*cking clue what we are doing.

And Schuster did say he wanted Drenthe for left back.

I guess Jaime has read Ballack wants to stay at Chavski

I think Ballack could have been useful but now I am worried we won't get Robben either and he is the player that we really need.

I can't believe Madrid and Chelsea are still hunting on Drenthe....

He only played a quite good European U-21 tournament! He hardly impressed last season. He played well but certainly not a Madrid level. Also in the pre season he played not too impressive....

And our signings were being critisized by you madridistas