Roy Keane linked with Sunderland job

How the fuck can you lot still be arguing with him? There's no point, it's like talking to a brick wall. Or a West ham fan (sorry IH).

theflyingfrenchman/God wrote:How the fuck can you lot still be arguing with him? There's no point, it's like talking to a brick wall. Or a West ham fan (sorry IH).

Brick wall meaning retard?

I sincerley hope Keane fails.


An unlikeable, technically limited player who excelled due to his never say die attitude and unequalled aggression.

Will this be enough as a maanger? I would LOVE it if it isnt

Quinn, almost the protype anithesis of keane would appear to think so.

Keane only sees this as a stepping stone to give him some credence as a candidate once fergie dies/retires.

I cant see him as a 'World Class manager'.

Dogma of a quiet past wrote:I sincerley hope Keane fails.


An unlikeable, technically limited player who excelled due to his never say die attitude and unequalled aggression.

Will this be enough as a maanger? I would LOVE it if it isnt

Quinn, almost the protype anithesis of keane would appear to think so.

Keane only sees this as a stepping stone to give him some credence as a candidate once fergie dies/retires.

I cant see him as a 'World Class manager'.

i suppose youre not a man u fan?
perhaps a jealous arsenal, chavski or liverpool fan?
A technically limited player could not have such a succesful career at the top level. He was no ronaldinho ill give you that but he excelled in the areas he needed: tackling, heading, marking and to a degree passing. He also scored his share of important goals (witness Juve 1999).
He was also inspirational to all those around him and is one of irelands finest players. He dragged ireland to the world cup knocking holland out and drawing twice to portugal. His outburst on MUTV, although unprofessional in some respects, did get the team very motivated and every player he picked on preformed exceptionally well in that game (smith,fletcher,etc.)
I do agree that he was not a man that many would like off the pitch because of his mistrust of everyone, alchoholic nights out and his refusal to back away from what he thinks his wrong.

Dogma of a quiet past wrote:
An unlikeable, technically limited player who excelled due to his never say die attitude and unequalled aggression.

Parks Lives wrote:

Dogma of a quiet past wrote:
An unlikeable, technically limited player who excelled due to his never say die attitude and unequalled aggression.

reminds me of something someone may have said recently

...*steps in between Parky and CotR*

laughs at cotr's last comment

Keane could score

Keane could pass

Keane could lead a team.


Twatheads.

Parks Lives wrote:Keane could score

Keane could pass

Keane could lead a team.

Keane couldn't hold a candle to Sissoko

Twatheads.

*backs away slowly*

..................

ill be the better man on this occasion.... spanky should learn abusive behaviour will get him nowhere in life

Keano Is God wrote:

i suppose youre not a man u fan?
perhaps a jealous arsenal, chavski or liverpool fan?
A technically limited player could not have such a succesful career at the top level. He was no ronaldinho ill give you that but he excelled in the areas he needed: tackling, heading, marking and to a degree passing. He also scored his share of important goals (witness Juve 1999).
He was also inspirational to all those around him and is one of irelands finest players. He dragged ireland to the world cup knocking holland out and drawing twice to portugal. His outburst on MUTV, although unprofessional in some respects, did get the team very motivated and every player he picked on preformed exceptionally well in that game (smith,fletcher,etc.)
I do agree that he was not a man that many would like off the pitch because of his mistrust of everyone, alchoholic nights out and his refusal to back away from what he thinks his wrong.

Id say what really made him were his work rate and the fact he would never hide in a game.

Two years ago at home to Milan,at a time when many were righting him off, he was the one player who wasnt scared to go forward in possession after they d gone a goal down.

However, the fact is if he had Riquleme's work rate he would have been an awful player.

Not doubt he achieved as player, but there are other players I prefered watching to Keane who tended to only really pique my interest when kicking off. Simply a subjective opinion

Keane's footballing ability was so under rated. He regularly would have a pass ratio of around 90 % and it was normally always a forward pass.

In his younger days he would regularly get more than 5 goals a season, whilst playing as a box to box midfielder.

Yes, its not the best part of his game but by no means was he average talent wise.

His leadership, will to win were what made him truely great though.

Parks Lives wrote:Keane's footballing ability was so under rated. He regularly would have a pass ratio of around 90 % and it was normally always a forward pass.

In which case so was David Batty's.

It all depends on the perspective you choose to take, personally from watching him id disagree.

Different strokes for different folks

Parks Lives wrote:

In his younger days he would regularly get more than 5 goals a season, whilst playing as a box to box midfielder.

Whilst Jason Wilcox was gliding effortlessly down the flanks providing silver service to his strikers and Carlton Palmer preying on the hapless flies that became inevitably tangled in his midfield web .

Parks Lives wrote:

Yes, its not the best part of his game but by no means was he average talent wise.

Perhaps average is harsh

Parks Lives wrote:

His leadership, will to win were what made him truely great though.

Agreed

@ dogma

You've just done the equivalent of walking up to the CIA and telling them your a communist

You a Leeds fan par chance?

No player who has won what Keane has is 'average'

Hes is a leader of the highest calibre and at times outshone some so called superstars in 99 where were those world class players for Juve, Zidane and Del Piero, ...... im a scouser but Keane truely was a fantasic talent and would have driven any team. If you cannot respect that then your clueless. Lacks Technique ? why because he didnt try and look fancy ? he almost always did with the ball what was required whether it be a tackle a pass or a shot ? complete BULLSHIT

Football Genius wrote:No player who has won what Keane has is 'average'

Hes is a leader of the highest calibre and at times outshone some so called superstars in 99 where were those world class players for Juve, Zidane and Del Piero, ...... im a scouser but Keane truely was a fantasic talent and would have driven any team. If you cannot respect that then your clueless. Lacks Technique ? why because he didnt try and look fancy ? he almost always did with the ball what was required whether it be a tackle a pass or a shot ? complete BULLSHIT

SHHHH you're ruining it. Let him go crazy - it's amusing to watch

Parky will be back after the Friday night project, then he will unleash hell!

Dogma of a quiet past wrote:

Parks Lives wrote:Keane's footballing ability was so under rated. He regularly would have a pass ratio of around 90 % and it was normally always a forward pass.

In which case so was David Batty's.

I said passing the ball forward, Batty was like Ray Wilkins the II or a Makelele before his time.

& so what if Carlton Palmer and Jason Wilcox were doing it at the same time, that has nothing to do with it.

Football Genius wrote:No player who has won what Keane has is 'average'

Step forward P.Neville

@dogma
Keane was not technically gifted but he was technically sound, certainly not limited. Maybe playing next to Beckham, who could put a football on a penny from 80 yards, Scholes who could spot and make passes barely anyone else in the world could, and Giggs, who blitzed by 4 players when he felt like it, he seemed limited, but couldn’t be further from the truth.


His reading of the game immense, usually 2 steps ahead of whoever he was playing against, rarely ever lost the ball, could dictate the tempo of the play, an enormous engine to go with that. Tackling was as good as anyone.
You cant say things like he was playing against Wilcox and Palmer, this guy outplayed Zidane mate, Had Vieira in his pocket at least 5 times, and at 33 ran rings around Gerrard.

How come your posts used to be so brief on the old 606 board lrd?

You seem to have upped your game since coming over here.

That was a good post as well.

As good as Beckham, Scholes and Giggs were there was a reason Keane was always considered the better all round package.

If we needed someone just to bark orders and put loads of effort in we would of brought a drill instructor. Keane could play.

Keane has agreed terms with Sunderland and will take over after the game on Monday against West Brom. He has already been introduced to the squad.

No big surprise here, but it does confirm that Keane will become manager.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/sunderland/5290778.stm

Done deal now

l r d wrote:

Football Genius wrote:No player who has won what Keane has is 'average'

Step forward P.Neville

@dogma
Keane was not technically gifted but he was technically sound, certainly not limited. Maybe playing next to Beckham, who could put a football on a penny from 80 yards, Scholes who could spot and make passes barely anyone else in the world could, and Giggs, who blitzed by 4 players when he felt like it, he seemed limited, but couldn’t be further from the truth.


His reading of the game immense, usually 2 steps ahead of whoever he was playing against, rarely ever lost the ball, could dictate the tempo of the play, an enormous engine to go with that. Tackling was as good as anyone.
You cant say things like he was playing against Wilcox and Palmer, this guy outplayed Zidane mate, Had Vieira in his pocket at least 5 times, and at 33 ran rings around Gerrard.

top post LRD

l r d wrote:

You cant say things like he was playing against Wilcox and Palmer, this guy outplayed Zidane mate, Had Vieira in his pocket at least 5 times, and at 33 ran rings around Gerrard.

Point being the likes of Wilcox, Ripley and Palmer were smashing it, Cantona was achieving God like status on strictly English turf whilst Liverpool were getting beaten home & away by the likes of Strasbourg. It was a very poor league and one which I would expect a player of Keane’s undoubted quality to indeed dominate.

He did not ‘outplay’ Zidane. He shackled and subdued him like many less er names from Serie A managed over the years. Zidane was still a very dangerous attacking threat during the gameand arguably did his part as he set up the first goal and then at 2-2 he put Inzaghi clean through on Scmeichel around the 60 minute mark.

Keane missed the final after he was booked for tripping Zidane after he ahd evaded him and ran into space. This is not ‘outplaying’ Zidane, it was Keane doing his level best to stop him from playing

Not even menitoning the fact that it wa sButt who tracked Zidane for most the game...

A very good example of where one player ‘outplayed’ another would be when Redondo came to Old Trafford with Madrid and lined up in direct opposition to Keane.

A masterclass performance...

Sunderland leading West Brom 1-0 at halftime with a goal directly from a corner.

2-0 now

Having listened to Keane's press conference on Radio 5 earlier, I can say that I think he's going to be successful. He seems to have a realistic handle on what he's got and what's required, and he answered all the questions intelligently and (apparently) honestly. I can see it working, though a week ago when I first heard the rumour I thought it was bunkum.

Keane says follow my example

Roy Keane settled into his first day of management on Tuesday promising the same no-nonsense approach that defined his illustrious, if controversial, career as a player.

The former Ireland captain and Manchester United midfielder, who signed a three-year contract with the second division side Sunderland on Monday, left the team in no doubt as to what he expected.

"All I expected from my team mates and the people I worked with was 100 percent. I've never criticised players for having bad games, only if I thought they were slacking off and not focussed on the job," Keane told a news conference in Sunderland on Tuesday.

"I have spoken to the Sunderland players and I reassured them if they give 100 percent there will not be a problem."

The 35-year-old, who announced his retirement from playing in June after a short spell at Celtic, was known as much for his firebrand temper as his combative play in midfield during a highly successful 13-year stint at United.

Keane, who walked out of the Ireland squad before the start of the 2002 World Cup finals and left United in November last year after falling out with manager Alex Ferguson, said his volatile temper had cost him in the past.

"I have no doubt over the years crossed that white line. It's probably cost me the World Cup in 2002, you could say my United career," he said.

"But I do care about the game, I do care about who I'm playing for. I'm just glad I have this opportunity, if I didn't think I could do it I wouldn't be here.

Keane was quick to put a light-hearted spin on his previously tense relationship with Sunderland chairman and former Ireland team mate Niall Quinn.

The pair fell out following Keane's departure from Ireland's 2002 World Cup squad after a row with then manager Mick McCarthy, with Keane branding the striker a "muppet and a coward" for not backing him.

Asked about their future working relationship, Keane, sitting next to Quinn, said: "I think it will be fine, I really do. A lot of people are making a big issue of what has happened in the past but when I met up with Niall and the potential owners of the club three or four months ago we sorted it out there and then.

"I know people out there have this impression of me, It's important to move on."

Keane, with a wry smile, added: "I've had differences with thousands of people. I'm humble enough to apologise if I've done something wrong, that's the type of character I am."

Keane's presence in the stands at the Stadium of Light on Monday had an invigorating effect as Sunderland who, following four successive league defeats, earned their first win of the season with a 2-0 victory over West Brom.

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Will Roy Keane have a successful managerial career?

Keano for President of the World!