How highly do you rate Serie A now?

Pepsi?

Tweedy, trust you to start a thread for the Serie A bashers... very mature. What Otto is to the England team, you are to Serie A

IMO, this season Serie A is back to what is used to be 5-6 years ago, only cleaner. Must be so hard for you to digest.

When I look at the voting here, I can see Bluenines point. This board has an anti Serie A bias like most english boards. Also the creator of this thread either dislikes Italian football or has no clue about polling methods. Because in a fair poll, you should put the commonly believed choice in the centre. As far as I know, the Big 3 are still called the Big 3. That would only change when one of the Big 3 slips down the uefa rankings to below the top 3. Last I heard, Serie A was among the top 3 leagues in uefa rankings and boasted of the CL champion. Maybe such a poll would have made more sense last season. This season with Juventus, Napoli and Genoa back up, the Italian league is stronger than in recent memory. Surely the posters here realise as much? The EPL is a slightly stronger this season while Serie A & La Liga are about the same.

Naturally the quality and level of interest in Serie A took a hell of a battering after Calciopoli, but before then I believed it was on a par with La Liga and the EPL and it will return to that level of quality after this season, especially with the fact that 5/6 teams really could mount a title challenge, so i voted for the 3rd option.

This MB used to be much more level-headed last year, with many posters from different leagues... now it basically represents other leagues from the eyes of EPL fans! I am afraid posters like Tweedy are only growing in influence here, and so many Italian/Portuguese/other posters have stopped coming here or reduced their frequency... its a sad state of affairs... and unless we all make an effort to invite more non-EPL posters here for a more balanced debate, this MB will lose its charm and become yet another EPL MB.

Gigliati wrote:When I look at the voting here, I can see Bluenines point. This board has an anti Serie A bias like most english boards. Also the creator of this thread either dislikes Italian football or has no clue about polling methods. Because in a fair poll, you should put the commonly believed choice in the centre. As far as I know, the Big 3 are still called the Big 3. That would only change when one of the Big 3 slips down the uefa rankings to below the top 3. Last I heard, Serie A was among the top 3 leagues in uefa rankings and boasted of the CL champion. Maybe such a poll would have made more sense last season. This season with Juventus, Napoli and Genoa back up, the Italian league is stronger than in recent memory. Surely the posters here realise as much? The EPL is a slightly stronger this season while Serie A & La Liga are about the same.

Relax guys, Tweeds has a lot of agendas, not just his (most obvious) anti Serie A agenda. Basically, if it's not EPL, it's Cr@p according to Tweedleschniedel.

Don't take this to heart, I think even Tweedle is not really serious. I hope.

Blueo, I'm surprised you even respond to Tweeds comments about Italian football, he's a dreadful WUM, the origin of which is most likely the fact that the two greatest icons of the team he follows were desperate failures in Serie A.

Just wondering what makes a league stronger than other? what are we judging it on? how good the players are?

I mean alot of people seem to think Serie A was at its strongest 5-7 years ago when ithad the big stars like Zidane, Ronaldo, Shevchenko, Batistuta etc. but its performances in Europe were terrible.

I rate it quite high actually. Milan are my second team afterall.

I still think this season it is Inters to lose , may change next season or so but at this point Inter is way ahead of Milan ,Roma and Juve.

This isn't a thread about me guys, this threads about the Serie A!

Granted, I wrote this thread when I was very drunk last night, but that still shouldn't deter from what could well be an interesting debate....

Personally for me, this season is make or break to decide whether the Serie A is back at the level of La liga and the EPL. To be honest, the keeping in Serie A can't be anywhere near as bad as it has been in the first two rounds of the EPL! I think its on the rise, but will the financial power of the EPL affect Serie A? Sven has started to invest in medium quality Serie A players and has made them a success in only their first three games - if they continue this, then the EPL market may become more and more interested in the medium quality Serie A players - something the English market has never really been interested in before

On a par with the EPL and La liga.

It's hard to say how is the best league in the world. All 3 are very strong. The problem should be: what should the rest of Europe do to catch up with them?

I don't think there's much they can do. I think Germany is best positioned to make an effort of it though -they have the crowds and the stadia and have a few big name teams - they just aren't financially clued up

Gigliati wrote:
Also the creator of this thread either dislikes Italian football or has no clue about polling methods. Because in a fair poll, you should put the commonly believed choice in the centre.

There's a logical progression in my poll options....

Maybe such a poll would have made more sense last season.

Not really. Last season, Serie A wasn't on the same level as the other two - my point was that with the clubs promoted and the stregthening of the existing teams, is Serie A now back up to that level...

You contradict yourself. If you think Serie A is back to the level of other Big 3, then that should be your central option in the poll. For example, then your poll should read -

1. Far better than EPL/La Liga
2. Slightly better than EPL/La Liga
3. At the same level as EPL/La Liga
4. Slightly below EPL/La Liga
5. Far below EP /La Liga

That is an unbiased poll, which is not inlfuencing the vote.

Tweedle wrote:

Gigliati wrote:
Also the creator of this thread either dislikes Italian football or has no clue about polling methods. Because in a fair poll, you should put the commonly believed choice in the centre.

There's a logical progression in my poll options....

Maybe such a poll would have made more sense last season.

Not really. Last season, Serie A wasn't on the same level as the other two - my point was that with the clubs promoted and the stregthening of the existing teams, is Serie A now back up to that level...

As I said, I was drunk

Polls mean nothing though, they merely act as a talking point and something to attract people into a discussion - its very rare that you revisit the outcomes of a poll on here or draw any conclusions from responses.

The real issue is whether or not people think that Serie A has made big strides this summer.

To be honest, I think it should be a good season and I'm looking forward to it. I'm going to be in Italy in October, in Florence. I might try and arrange a visit to Livorno to watch a game whilst I'm there. Is there any English language site on which I can book tickets?

I do not think its anywhere near as certain. Roma and Milan can challenge this season, and can win the scudetto. There is no chance that Inter will amass as many points as last season.

Everyday is not a sunday.

Dark Savante wrote:I still think this season it is Inters to lose , may change next season or so but at this point Inter is way ahead of Milan ,Roma and Juve.

bluenine wrote:This MB used to be much more level-headed last year, with many posters from different leagues... now it basically represents other leagues from the eyes of EPL fans! I am afraid posters like Tweedy are only growing in influence here, and so many Italian/Portuguese/other posters have stopped coming here or reduced their frequency... its a sad state of affairs... and unless we all make an effort to invite more non-EPL posters here for a more balanced debate, this MB will lose its charm and become yet another EPL MB.

Gigliati wrote:When I look at the voting here, I can see Bluenines point. This board has an anti Serie A bias like most english boards. Also the creator of this thread either dislikes Italian football or has no clue about polling methods. Because in a fair poll, you should put the commonly believed choice in the centre. As far as I know, the Big 3 are still called the Big 3. That would only change when one of the Big 3 slips down the uefa rankings to below the top 3. Last I heard, Serie A was among the top 3 leagues in uefa rankings and boasted of the CL champion. Maybe such a poll would have made more sense last season. This season with Juventus, Napoli and Genoa back up, the Italian league is stronger than in recent memory. Surely the posters here realise as much? The EPL is a slightly stronger this season while Serie A & La Liga are about the same.

Untrue. For as many followers of EPL, there are just as many, or indeed just as VOCAL, posters on here who are anti-EPL and anti-England in general. I think you are being too defensive. Tweedle isnt half as blatant with his windups then say Otto is for example.

On the subject, lets not forget the Champions of Europe are from Serie A, so it is still a league on a par with the rest, just doesnt have the depth in quality the other leagues does. Then again, an increase in Italian players playing in Serie A since the 90's makes it a very healthy National league from an Italian perspective, something that is clearly becoming a problem in Spain and England.

Put it this way, I'd be happier if I were Italian with Serie A then an Englishman/Spaniard with La Liga and EPL

When i started watching Serie A on Channel 4 it was the best league in Europe, now i would say it is the 3rd best league in Europe.

The football is still very good but it has lost some of its glamour.

better than epl but worse tahn spain imho hence no option ain't voted

@Tweed

What a great thread, maybe you should do a Totti one tomorrow.

@B9

Calm down mate he was obviously on the wind up, however it was not as bad as the anti EPL attacks by Otto and recently tonigol.

3rd best league...after The Premiership and La Liga.

The White Cliffs Of Dover wrote:

bluenine wrote:This MB used to be much more level-headed last year, with many posters from different leagues... now it basically represents other leagues from the eyes of EPL fans! I am afraid posters like Tweedy are only growing in influence here, and so many Italian/Portuguese/other posters have stopped coming here or reduced their frequency... its a sad state of affairs... and unless we all make an effort to invite more non-EPL posters here for a more balanced debate, this MB will lose its charm and become yet another EPL MB.

Gigliati wrote:When I look at the voting here, I can see Bluenines point. This board has an anti Serie A bias like most english boards. Also the creator of this thread either dislikes Italian football or has no clue about polling methods. Because in a fair poll, you should put the commonly believed choice in the centre. As far as I know, the Big 3 are still called the Big 3. That would only change when one of the Big 3 slips down the uefa rankings to below the top 3. Last I heard, Serie A was among the top 3 leagues in uefa rankings and boasted of the CL champion. Maybe such a poll would have made more sense last season. This season with Juventus, Napoli and Genoa back up, the Italian league is stronger than in recent memory. Surely the posters here realise as much? The EPL is a slightly stronger this season while Serie A & La Liga are about the same.

Untrue. For as many followers of EPL, there are just as many, or indeed just as VOCAL, posters on here who are anti-EPL and anti-England in general. I think you are being too defensive. Tweedle isnt half as blatant with his windups then say Otto is for example.

On the subject, lets not forget the Champions of Europe are from Serie A, so it is still a league on a par with the rest, just doesnt have the depth in quality the other leagues does. Then again, an increase in Italian players playing in Serie A since the 90's makes it a very healthy National league from an Italian perspective, something that is clearly becoming a problem in Spain and England.

Put it this way, I'd be happier if I were Italian with Serie A then an Englishman/Spaniard with La Liga and EPL

depth?

for a tart you have the main title challengers - Inter, Milan and Roma, then you have the CL chasing teams - Lazio, Juve and Fiorentina and then you've got alot of other good teams like Samp, Udinese and Palermo

Deano Ashton wrote:3rd best league...after The Premiership and La Liga.

I think there is very little difference, and depends a lot on what criteria you are judging on, like Bobo suggested. Depth wise, Serie A is no less than any other league in the world.

Deano Ashton wrote:3rd best league...after The Premiership and La Liga.

bluenine wrote:I think there is very little difference, and depends a lot on what criteria you are judging on, like Bobo suggested. Depth wise, Serie A is no less than any other league in the world.

Deano Ashton wrote:3rd best league...after The Premiership and La Liga.

Depends...currently and recently the domestic leagues in England and Spain have been better. Serie A has a lot of ingredients this season to be as good as any of the others though.

I watched some games such as Chievo vs Livorno last season...and they were $h!t. Mid-table games such as Fulham vs Charlton were still decent matces.

It's just what I think currently Bluey...and I agree depth wise they are all similar (Your massive clubs...your big clubs...your average clubs and your small clubs).

Deano Ashton wrote:3rd best league...after The Premiership and La Liga.

Bundesliga and ligue 1 are not close. But la liga and epl are definitly ahead, will take a few years before that can change.

Deano Ashton wrote:

bluenine wrote:I think there is very little difference, and depends a lot on what criteria you are judging on, like Bobo suggested. Depth wise, Serie A is no less than any other league in the world.

Deano Ashton wrote:3rd best league...after The Premiership and La Liga.

Depends...currently and recently the domestic leagues in England and Spain have been better. Serie A has a lot of ingredients this season to be as good as any of the others though.

I watched some games such as Chievo vs Livorno last season...and they were $h!t. Mid-table games such as Fulham vs Charlton were still decent matces.

It's just what I think currently Bluey...and I agree depth wise they are all similar (Your massive clubs...your big clubs...your average clubs and your small clubs).

In terms of entertainment, Serie A has improved over the last few years, alot of the teams play very attractive, attacking football.

Theres more continuity in the clubs (especially the big ones) and smarter buys (i.e. not buying a whole new team every season like happened 5-6 years ago)

L.r.d wrote:

Deano Ashton wrote:3rd best league...after The Premiership and La Liga.

Bundesliga and ligue 1 are not close. But la liga and epl are definitly ahead, will take a few years before that can change.

Considering the Italian clubs don't take the UEFA cup seriously they may loose enough points for the Bundesliga to catch up and maybe even take the 4 CL spots.