442's 100 best players in the World

surely Lampard should be in the list.

S4P wrote:

COTR wrote:

S4P wrote:Any list which has the likes of Henry, Rooney and Gerrard in the top 10 players in the world doesn't deserve to be commented on.

because you do not like these three players the list is void ??

No, but it is clearly very biased. For example, Lampard shouldn't be in the list, never mind just off the top 20.

Imo, Gerrard isn't even the best midfielder at Liverpool (I think Mascherano is personally but he doesn't get near this top 10), Henry maybe a year or 2 ago but not anymore and Rooney?... Maybe if it was done just after Euro 2004 but again certainly not anymore.

Well arbeloa disagrees with you

Who will be the most influential player for the team this year?

Steven Gerrard because he is our best player. He was a player I always knew about because he is such a big name, but it's only when you work with him every day in training that you see how good he really is.


these sorts of lists are always going to be shot down because people will never agree on football

I am confused, is S4P's "favourite player" a joke then?

I despise Lampard as much as anyone but he would get into even my top 100, if only for his undoubted effectiveness in the very limited Chelsea system. (People have been banging on lately about how he's played 126 out of 133 (league?) games for Chelsea and how they lose 7% of games with him, 28% without him...)

And for me Rooney is probably England's biggest out-and-out talent so he shouldn't be too far down.

Another problem with these lists (and this one is pretty crud...) is the tension between form/level of performance currently and permanent class/ability/talent...

theflyingfrenchman wrote:No Anelka? But Quagliarella's in there? And so's Eduardo?

Anelka should definitely be in there above those 2. If it were based on pure talent.

@Allez - you really do have it in for Chelsea and Lamps dont you?? Limited system or not, its won them 2 league titles and got them to 2 CL semi finals.

Lamps at Club level deserves to be in there for sure.

Nobody is going to agree on a list like his anyway, its simply impossible.

Allez les rouges wrote:I am confused, is S4P's "favourite player" a joke then?

Allez les rouges wrote:I despise Lampard as much as anyone but he would get into even my top 100, if only for his undoubted effectiveness in the very limited Chelsea system. (People have been banging on lately about how he's played 126 out of 133 (league?) games for Chelsea and how they lose 7% of games with him, 28% without him...)

I'm not sure. If you're talking about players more talented than him, I think you could name 100 from around the world. If you're talking about efficiency then he certainly should be in there.

Allez les rouges wrote:And for me Rooney is probably England's biggest out-and-out talent so he shouldn't be too far down.

Oh he certainly shouldn't be too far down, but I don't think that he should be in the top 10 at the moment. If somebody had done this list just after Euro 2004 he would have deservedly been in the top 5. At the moment I'd say between 10-20 (possibly 10-15).

out of interest how do these lists look in other countries?

The-Frank-Tavern wrote:out of interest how do these lists look in other countries?

speaking of germany...lampard and gerrard are always mentioned as being great players..rooney is too but hes got a bad reputation and that sort of distracts peoples opinions away from his footballing ability and towards his aggression...but lampard and gerrard would be in many peoples top 10 here...

In my opinion, England have 2 world class players - Gerrard and Ferdinand, who should be in there,

2 on the cusp- Rooney and Joe Cole.

And the trio of Hargreaves, Terry and Lamps are all excellent at club level and also deserve to be in the top 100.

No more than that CURRENTLY

Scholes, Pele, Scholes!

parky you never let me down i was going to do it but knew you would certainly better and more deserving tham messrs flumparse, ferdinand, cole and rooney imho

Before his move to the u ess of ey becks was also world class

Ungarn Uber Alles wrote:

theflyingfrenchman wrote:No Anelka? But Quagliarella's in there? And so's Eduardo?

Anelka should definitely be in there above those 2. If it were based on pure talent.

@Allez - you really do have it in for Chelsea and Lamps dont you?? Limited system or not, its won them 2 league titles and got them to 2 CL semi finals.

Lamps at Club level deserves to be in there for sure.

Nobody is going to agree on a list like his anyway, its simply impossible.

No Bernd, it's YOU who have it in for me, accusing me of anti-ness even when I say something semi-positive about English players for once!! I was making much the same point as you... (even if I do have a problem with Chelsea's style given their resources, because after all how can we justify the time we devote to this wretched sport if what we are admiring is efficiency and not magic?)

I know it's only a bit of a laugh, but REALLY, jumping on me for being biased and over-critical of things English and questioning my motives for my attitudes (even when I'm being positive) is getting a bit much...

That really is very mischievous of you S4P, I'd assumed you were a genuine fan

Parks lives wrote:Scholes, Pele, Scholes!

totally forgot about the ginger 'un, as a result of retiring from internationals....

@Allez,

You must know im not jumping on your back, if Ive given that impression than I can but apologise. Your opinion is highly valued mein freund, it always has been I simply sensed a theme, which was a general disdain for all English players- but I know its not because your anti-english, Im presuming its because you support Arsenal and therefore there arent many English players at your club for you to like

Which man shaft players would you put in the top 100?

Ungarn Uber Alles wrote:

Parks lives wrote:Scholes, Pele, Scholes!

totally forgot about the ginger 'un, as a result of retiring from internationals....

@Allez,

You must know im not jumping on your back, if Ive given that impression than I can but apologise. Your opinion is highly valued mein freund, it always has been I simply sensed a theme, which was a general disdain for all English players- but I know its not because your anti-english, Im presuming its because you support Arsenal and therefore there arent many English players at your club for you to like

Which man shaft players would you put in the top 100?

Allez not anti-english!!!..

No fair enough Bernd, I just couldn't help thinking, if you were having a go at me for being anti-Chelsea when even I was saying "Lampard has to be in there", "what can I do??" !

He's the worst "good" footballer in the world, is that OK? ;-)

The "Man Shafters" that have to be in there:

Lahm, Ballack, Frings, Lehmann, Mertesacker, Metzelder, Jansen, Schweini, your good self and Klose. I mean, top 100... and there are at least 11 Englanders in that list, but if you have to exclude any, then maybe Jens, Metze and Schweini at the moment. But no more.

"World-class", what do I know, what does that even mean...

Allez les rouges wrote:No fair enough Bernd, I just couldn't help thinking, if you were having a go at me for being anti-Chelsea when even I was saying "Lampard has to be in there", "what can I do??" !

He's the worst "good" footballer in the world, is that OK? ;-)

The "Man Shafters" that have to be in there:

Lahm, Ballack, Frings, Lehmann, Mertesacker, Metzelder, Jansen, Schweini, your good self and Klose. I mean, top 100... and there are at least 11 Englanders in that list, but if you have to exclude any, then maybe Jens, Metze and Schweini at the moment. But no more.

"World-class", what do I know, what does that even mean...

Something must have got lost in translation old chap- I never intended to "have a go" or insinuate you putting Lamps in top 100 was bad thing- I just think people in general on this board are far too critical of Lampard and noticed you saying you couldnt stand him which seemed a little typical of the criticism the guy seems to get, yet probably doesnt warrant.

Anyway, moving on- yes labelling players "WC" and making top 100 lists is pretty pointless, but you cant deny its not fun and livens up debates.

From the man shaft, and taking into account we're talking about the here and now and not a year ago, I'd personally have Frings, Klose, Metzelder, Lahm as certainties, with Schweinsteiger, Ballack, Gomes as outsiders based on far from sparkling seasons in the case of Schweini and Ballack, and Gomes for yet to prove himself at the highest level.

Germany's strength is more the team ethic and management then the so called reputations of the "individuals", mostly because such a large proportion of them play in the Bundesliga and it makes it tough to become household names in a league which isnt in the spotlight of the latter stages of European competitions.

Low/Klinsmann would definitely be in top echelons of the National Managers list however

Allez les rouges wrote:
That really is very mischievous of you S4P, I'd assumed you were a genuine fan

I am er... Gerrard is the best midfielder in the world... er... the only world class player England have...

S4P wrote:

Allez les rouges wrote:
That really is very mischievous of you S4P, I'd assumed you were a genuine fan

I am er... Gerrard is the best midfielder in the world... er... the only world class player England have...

Good man!! Cheeky cheeky

The Lampard thing is as much to do with his unutterable annoyingness and not being a proper midfielder in any real sense of the term as anything else... this is where we need Obispo back, and it's not part of the whole "anti-English" banter thing, you should argue with 80% of the England fans on here if you have an issue; he is undeniably effective in his "home" context...

You are right, but the "team ethic" thing can be made into too much of a cliché... once again Germany can rely on a number of individuals who can stand comparison with those of any other country in the world. Why do you rate Metzelder so highly, Bernd, by the way (apart from underrating yourself )? Not that I don't, but he certainly tends to peak (and get fit!) for international tournaments, which helps him in the public eye I suppose... whereas Merte is in loads of ways the symbol of the new Löw model of German international football...

Ungarn Uber Alles wrote: totally forgot about the ginger 'un, as a result of retiring from internationals....

Doesn't need to be there for England anyway.

Scholes - 66 games 14 goals (goal per 4.71 games)
Gerrard - 57 games 12 goals (goal per 4.75 games)
Lampard - 56 games 13 goals (goal per 4.30 games)

So if you want goals you play Lampard. If you want slightly less goals but someone who can also play DM and keep Kaka quiet then you play Gerrard.

If you want the same amount of goals but the tackling of a combine harvester then you pick the ginger tosser.

Roger Hunt wrote:

Ungarn Uber Alles wrote: totally forgot about the ginger 'un, as a result of retiring from internationals....

Doesn't need to be there for England anyway.

Scholes - 66 games 14 goals (goal per 4.71 games)
Gerrard - 57 games 12 goals (goal per 4.75 games)
Lampard - 56 games 13 goals (goal per 4.30 games)

So if you want goals you play Lampard. If you want slightly less goals but someone who can also play DM and keep Kaka quiet then you play Gerrard.

If you want the same amount of goals but the tackling of a combine harvester then you pick the ginger tosser.

Ignoring the silly joke it should be Scholes-Gerrard and it is forever to England's detriment that Lumplard got in between.

lehmann
lahm
metzelder
ballack
klose
frings

are they all in the list!? i have no time to watch it

edit: ok i watched it

cashley and lahm, wtf is going on there, they should changee the numerbs

Roger Hunt wrote:

Ungarn Uber Alles wrote: totally forgot about the ginger 'un, as a result of retiring from internationals....

Doesn't need to be there for England anyway.

Scholes - 66 games 14 goals (goal per 4.71 games)
Gerrard - 57 games 12 goals (goal per 4.75 games)
Lampard - 56 games 13 goals (goal per 4.30 games)

So if you want goals you play Lampard. If you want slightly less goals but someone who can also play DM and keep Kaka quiet then you play Gerrard.

If you want the same amount of goals but the tackling of a combine harvester then you pick the ginger tosser.

What about if you want playmaking?

Parks lives wrote:

Roger Hunt wrote:

Ungarn Uber Alles wrote: totally forgot about the ginger 'un, as a result of retiring from internationals....

Doesn't need to be there for England anyway.

Scholes - 66 games 14 goals (goal per 4.71 games)
Gerrard - 57 games 12 goals (goal per 4.75 games)
Lampard - 56 games 13 goals (goal per 4.30 games)

So if you want goals you play Lampard. If you want slightly less goals but someone who can also play DM and keep Kaka quiet then you play Gerrard.

If you want the same amount of goals but the tackling of a combine harvester then you pick the ginger tosser.

What about if you want playmaking?

Kidnap Kaka and make him English.

Strange choice, even though I meant out of those 3.

He's not really a playmaker is he?

Ok then, do it to Diego instead. Or Riquelme, but you'll have to add a jetpack to his shoes to speed him up a bit.

Right...

Anyone else?

Parks lives wrote:

Roger Hunt wrote:

Ungarn Uber Alles wrote: totally forgot about the ginger 'un, as a result of retiring from internationals....

Doesn't need to be there for England anyway.

Scholes - 66 games 14 goals (goal per 4.71 games)
Gerrard - 57 games 12 goals (goal per 4.75 games)
Lampard - 56 games 13 goals (goal per 4.30 games)

So if you want goals you play Lampard. If you want slightly less goals but someone who can also play DM and keep Kaka quiet then you play Gerrard.

If you want the same amount of goals but the tackling of a combine harvester then you pick the ginger tosser.

What about if you want playmaking?

Then you vote Monty Brewster

Deisler wrote:lehmann

Yeah right, I also want to nominate my aunt and grandmother for this top 100

Axeslammer wrote:

Deisler wrote:lehmann

Yeah right, I also want to nominate my aunt and grandmother for this top 100

I heard your aunt was reaally good.

Anelka should be in there, as should Elano in my opinion, but i admit im probably just being a bit biased but id have him ahead
of Nakamura at least.

IMO Ayala, Joe Cole, Rio Ferdinand and Ash Cole are overrated in this poll.

Puyol is very underrated as is Totti, Ibrahimovic and Maicon is better than 98th.

But at the end of the day everyone has a different opinion so nobody will get it spot on.