It Must Be So Frustrating Supporting 'Pool

Ayman Zawahiri wrote:More hilarious hypocrisy from the Arsenal propagandists - when Liverpool sign a youngster, 'he's just got potential'. When Arsenal sign a youngster 'he'll only get better and better'.



Load of bollocks...

game, set, match tweeds

COTR wrote:

What your saying is what the Madrid press dubbed 'Torrespendencia' - an over-dependence on the player. The four strikers you've got are completely different types of player. Torres is the type of player you'd use away when you expect to be playing on the counter, whereas IMO Crouch and Kuyt will be used at Anfield when you have alot of the possession and will be using the wingers to open defnces.

I'm sorry but I see no reason why this is true

It is the excuse rafa used at the weekend and he was made to look stupid when torres came on and was far more effective than any of the other players

torres can create a bit of magic out of nothing, something the other forwards cannot do. It is this unpredictability that will help us open up defences at home. Kuyt running around the pitch is not going to help our cause much

In addition to the fact no matter whether we are playing home or away, we typically play in a similar fashion, look to dominate possession, using width to get in behind defences and allow space through the centre.

Juego de la Okkas wrote:

The-Frank-Tavern wrote:Its one thing the opposition not getting wind of your team its a completely different kettle of fish keeping it from your players, not much time to get their heads round specific tactics given the team shape

Does Rafa strike as a manager who leaves tactics to the last minute?

If you play your strongest line-up every game your team will start playing $h!t when you lose a couple of first-team players. Look at how rubbish Man U were when they had to bring the likes of O'Shea, Fletcher and Richardson into the squad.

United won the league last season by playing the best players in every game (if they were availble). Chelsea did the same when they won the league twice and Arsenal did the same when they went unbeaten.

There is no point worrying about surviving tomorrow, if you cant survive today. If he wants to win a cup again then he should carry on resting players in the league for March/April/May, but if he wants to win the league he HAS TO PLAY HIS BEST PLAYERS (if they're available).

Frank is right in that Rafa shouldnt worry about the opposition, but let the opposition worry about his team. Everyone knows the best 11 for the other top teams, but it doesnt stop them from winning regularly.

COTR wrote:

Ayman Zawahiri wrote:More hilarious hypocrisy from the Arsenal propagandists - when Liverpool sign a youngster, 'he's just got potential'. When Arsenal sign a youngster 'he'll only get better and better'.



Load of bollocks...

game, set, match tweeds

Saints is misinterpreting the issue here though. The issue I raised was that to win the league THIS season, Liverpool desperately needed a top class winger. Babel is a potential top class winger, ie in a few years time. He's not the type of player that will win Pool the title this season however.

Just like Walcott isn't going to win the title for us this season.

f@ck me, you didn't, did you? You compared Babel to Walcott...


End of discussion right there.

Football Genius wrote:Rafa is possibly one of the most thorough if not too thorough tacticians in the game.

too thorough in the epl, his approach in europe is spot on, but someties just like man ure you just need to send the team out to win and not worry too much about the opposition

Ayman Zawahiri wrote:f@ck me, you didn't, did you? You compared Babel to Walcott...


End of discussion right there.

Oh I'm sorry, were you comparing Babel to Cesc?

Tweedle wrote:

Ayman Zawahiri wrote:f@ck me, you didn't, did you? You compared Babel to Walcott...


End of discussion right there.

Oh I'm sorry, were you comparing Babel to Cesc?

No.

Comparing Walcott to Babel *sniggers*

If we do win the league Tweeds, there is good sig material there, reminds of the 'you'll never win anything with kids' statement

I think another issue that hasnt been mentioned is that Rafa doesnt seem to like strikers and doesnt know how to get the best out of them. Strikers never do well under the Rafa, he rotates them around even during hot goal scoring streaks.

He makes the excuse about rotating forwards due to the way the opposition play, but very rarely (never?) rotates the defenders based on the opposition. He seems to trust and like defenders probably because he is a controlling and pragmatic manager. Defenders play exactly the way he wants them to in his systems, but forwards find themselves suffocated in his systems as they need freedom to function effectively.

Rez wrote:I think another issue that hasnt been mentioned is that Rafa doesnt seem to like strikers and doesnt know how to get the best out of them. Strikers never do well under the Rafa, he rotates them around even during hot goal scoring streaks.



He makes the excuse about rotating forwards due to the way the opposition play, but very rarely (never?) rotates the defenders based on the opposition. He seems to trust and like defenders probably because he is a controlling and pragmatic manager. Defenders play exactly the way he wants them to in his systems, but forwards find themselves suffocated in his systems as they need freedom to function effectively.

I think thats a valid point.

I'm not sure why he rotates the front men so much, especially if they are on form and confident (which plays such a pivotal role for any attacking player)

Just one of those mysterys.

Football Genius wrote:Comparing Walcott to Babel *sniggers*

If we do win the league Tweeds, there is good sig material there, reminds of the 'you'll never win anything with kids' statement

You may well win the league, but Babel won't have played an integral part in it.

He's now got 9 league goals in 3 seasons.

Tweedle wrote:

Football Genius wrote:Comparing Walcott to Babel *sniggers*

If we do win the league Tweeds, there is good sig material there, reminds of the 'you'll never win anything with kids' statement

You may well win the league, but Babel won't have played an integral part in it.

He's now got 9 league goals in 3 seasons.

That's more than Walcott. And as Fabregas has shown, you can go from not being able to hit a cow's arse to being prolific. Trust me Tweeds, Babel will only get better and better. I have no proof of this, but it's a logic you must recognise...

Ayman Zawahiri wrote:

Tweedle wrote:

Football Genius wrote:Comparing Walcott to Babel *sniggers*

If we do win the league Tweeds, there is good sig material there, reminds of the 'you'll never win anything with kids' statement

You may well win the league, but Babel won't have played an integral part in it.

He's now got 9 league goals in 3 seasons.

That's more than Walcott. And as Fabregas has shown, you can go from not being able to hit a cow's arse to being prolific. Trust me Tweeds, Babel will only get better and better. I have no proof of this, but it's a logic you must recognise...

Returning to the original point that I made saints, which I've already done once, I've acknowledged that he'll improve with time, my point was that Liverpool needed to buy top class now - which they didn't. They bought a very good player and a potential top class player.

Unless you're claiming that by the end of this season he'll be regarded as a top class winger, something I highly doubt

Tweedle wrote:
Returning to the original point that I made saints, which I've already done once, I've acknowledged that he'll improve with time, my point was that Liverpool needed to buy top class now - which they didn't. They bought a very good player and a potential top class player.

By this logic, Arsenal will not win the league this season, next season, or the following season. Because Wenger never buys top class, finished article players.

Unless you're claiming that by the end of this season he'll be regarded as a top class winger, something I highly doubt

We'll see. I'm saying that Arsenal fans have no rights over other teams' young players given the absolute shite they insist on talking about their own...

Ayman Zawahiri wrote:

Tweedle wrote:

Football Genius wrote:Comparing Walcott to Babel *sniggers*

If we do win the league Tweeds, there is good sig material there, reminds of the 'you'll never win anything with kids' statement

You may well win the league, but Babel won't have played an integral part in it.

He's now got 9 league goals in 3 seasons.

That's more than Walcott. And as Fabregas has shown, you can go from not being able to hit a cow's arse to being prolific. Trust me Tweeds, Babel will only get better and better. I have no proof of this, but it's a logic you must recognise...

It's so much more fun when saints is on your side

COTR wrote:



It's so much more fun when saints is on your side

Thanks Cotter, that means a lot to me.

Did Torres score last night???

Hes not, hes just not on Arsenal's side COTR

Dick Grayson wrote:Did Torres score last night???

Only one or two

Football Genius wrote:

Dick Grayson wrote:Did Torres score last night???

Only one or two

$h!t....!!!

Football Genius wrote:Hes not, hes just not on Arsenal's side COTR

Given the choice, I'd really like to be on Arsenal's side. It's just, y'know, they're Arsenal...

Football Genius wrote:Hes not, hes just not on Arsenal's side COTR

i'll take it

poor tweeds has just been destroyed right in front of our eyes

COTR wrote:
i'll take it

Good thing Glenn's not here today otherwise he'd be sigging this as we speak...

Ayman Zawahiri wrote:

By this logic, Arsenal will not win the league this season, next season, or the following season. Because Wenger never buys top class, finished article players.

Missed the point again. I never said that they won't win the league, although if they continue to rotate the way they have, Rafa will make it difficult.

What I said is that Babel isn't a top class winger and that if I were a Pool fan its something that I'd want addressing.

COTR wrote:

Football Genius wrote:Hes not, hes just not on Arsenal's side COTR

i'll take it

poor tweeds has just been destroyed right in front of our eyes

Crushed is the word i'd like to use

Tweedle wrote:

Ayman Zawahiri wrote:

By this logic, Arsenal will not win the league this season, next season, or the following season. Because Wenger never buys top class, finished article players.

Missed the point again. I never said that they won't win the league, although if they continue to rotate the way they have, Rafa will make it difficult.

What I said is that Babel isn't a top class winger and that if I were a Pool fan its something that I'd want addressing.

Tweeds, on the second page of this fucking thread wrote:The issue I raised was that to win the league THIS season, Liverpool desperately needed a top class winger.

Pwned. Go home.

COTR wrote:

Football Genius wrote:Hes not, hes just not on Arsenal's side COTR

i'll take it

poor tweeds has just been destroyed right in front of our eyes

Yeh, I'm sitting my desk with tears dripping down onto my sandwich

Looking forward to getting pwned re Torres Coater?

Ayman Zawahiri wrote:

Tweedle wrote:

Ayman Zawahiri wrote:

By this logic, Arsenal will not win the league this season, next season, or the following season. Because Wenger never buys top class, finished article players.

Missed the point again. I never said that they won't win the league, although if they continue to rotate the way they have, Rafa will make it difficult.

What I said is that Babel isn't a top class winger and that if I were a Pool fan its something that I'd want addressing.

Tweeds, on the second page of this fucking thread wrote:The issue I raised was that to win the league THIS season, Liverpool desperately needed a top class winger.

Pwned. Go home.

They did need a top class winger to win the league this season

Instead they got a potential top class winger and Benayoun.

And when I said that they could win the league, so could Man City....

Tweedle wrote:

COTR wrote:

Football Genius wrote:Hes not, hes just not on Arsenal's side COTR

i'll take it

poor tweeds has just been destroyed right in front of our eyes

Yeh, I'm sitting my desk with tears dripping down onto my sandwich

Looking forward to getting pwned re Torres Coater?

Tweeds mate. It is sad to see someone lose his cool so horribly but that second line was possibly the worst attempt at a windup I have ever read on here


for your own sake you should stop typing for a while and take a little lie down