Non-italians don't watch Serie A

Yeah, I remember, good old days... there were some really interesting discussions back then

So do you still run that website on italian football?

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:Bluenine is a legendary poster, and also he and I were part of the very few Serie A fans on the BBC boards (almost 5 years ago now Blue). Remember the good old days?

I think Prandelli plans to stay, but coaches have a much smaller shelf life at a club in Italy than in England... whether he will be allowed to complete his project remains to be seen... you never know, one bad season, and Prandelli and his project might just go out of the window.

I am a bit pissed and disgusted with some of the english posters here and their blatant lying at the mo, so don't mind if I pass the opportunity to compare italian and english teams for a while.

Tweedle wrote:Do you think Prandelli plans to stay with Fiorentina for the long haul and see the fruits of the squad he's assembled bluey or do you think he may be tempted away in the near future?

Also, whilst we're at it, how would you compare Fiorentina and Spurs and if you had to make a combined squad of the two, who would make the team?

bluenine wrote:Never said that, even tho there is a gap between the top 4 and the rest.

I think Spurs and Newcastle are actually very strong, so are Everton, WH, and City now... Spurs just need a better manager!

You are putting someone elses words in my mouth. Never a good thing, specially when you use that to call me ignorant!!

Handsome Prince Of Saxony wrote:

bluenine wrote:Bias perhaps, but ignorance? Tut tut, Prince, nice statement but can you substantiate that?? It won't be easy, coz I do watch more EPL than quite a few EPL fans here for over a decade and a half... admitingly more out of availability than choice, if I got complete Serie A coverage I would probably stop watching any other league.

But I haven't been accused of ignorance re football before... so am very curious, what are these comments that you are talking about?

I do end up defending italian football here regularily, thats more coz too there are too many english posters, and too few italian, so there is a huge natural bias against the italians here.

Handsome Prince Of Saxony wrote:
So its swings and roundabouts - I dont feel sorry for Bluenine as such, as I have heard comments from him which have smacked of ignorance in the past about EPL clubs, but thats the nature of the beast - the guy loves his Italian football and defends what he enjoys

Ignorance perhaps a strong word. You're a thoroughly likeable poster/chap, so dont get me wrong.

The general opinion of most followers of European football, particularly on this board, does seem to be that the teams outside the top 4 in England are 2nd rate kick and rush. As a follower of the mighty Spurs, my defence is to shout "ignorant".

I see this is a touchy issue. Lets make peace

Here, have a rose. But not in a gay way

And a hug

Diversity is a great thing, so carry on being you- we do need pro Italian/Serie posters on here, to help broaden our horizons, over some variety and, at the end of the day, instigate debate and banter.

I say banter, because to me its nothing more than that. So carry on the good work bluenine. I retract my ignorant comment is this helps matters

Bluenines a very good poster and the bastion of Italian football on here. I do see why he gets frustrated with certain (I include myself) English posters views as many make comments on Seri A based purely on supposition. He is the biggest Italian poster so he finds himself defending the league (on his own) against multiple posters.

He does go over the top with some of his comments, but not more than most posters. His views are usually fair (to an extent) and balanced. In the big united v Roma debate last season he WAS the only Italian poster who gave us respect and said we would probably win.

However like most posters he has his flaws and his biggest flaw is that he worships false gods *cough*Rosina*cough*Pelle*cough* and fails to realise that the true saviour of Italian football is; boywonder Rossi.

Thanks Prince, Rez. My comment was more targeted at Lrd.

And Rosina >> Rossi

Rez wrote:Bluenines a very good poster and the bastion of Italian football on here. I do see why he gets frustrated with certain (I include myself) English posters views as many make comments on Seri A based purely on supposition. He is the biggest Italian poster so he finds himself defending the league (on his own) against multiple posters.

He does go over the top with some of his comments, but not more than most posters. His views are usually fair (to an extent) and balanced. In the big united v Roma debate last season he WAS the only Italian poster who gave us respect and said we would probably win.

However like most posters he has his flaws and his biggest flaw is that he worships false gods *cough*Rosina*cough*Pelle*cough* and fails to realise that the true saviour of Italian football is; boywonder Rossi.

Lrd?

bluenine wrote:

L r d wrote:
I see as much ignorance from you as most other people, yet you always shout ignorance when someone says something about seria a that doesn't meet with your opinion. fiorentina as good as arsenal is fine. juventus better than valencia is fine. mancini = ronaldo is fine normal. villareal better than fiorentina is ignorance and bias

The hypocrisy is incredible.

I never said any of the things you mention, you are either assigning me someone elses comments, or mis-quoting me, or just plain lying. I want to challenge some of these lies you and some others seem to be spearding about me at one go. Let me demonstrate with some of my quotes on these topics - I have provided the links as well, just to show to you that all 3 comments that you are attributing to me are LIES:

From this thread, regarding Juve-Valencia:

bluenine wrote:I agree. Valencia are quality, and at the mo are better than Juve.

On Ronaldo-Mancini comparison:
http://europeanboard.ephpbb.com/European-Cups-f5/European-Champions-league-draw-t7434-220.htm

Rez wrote:Bluenines been very objective and said united will probably beat Roma and that it was a bad tie for Roma, on the Seri A discussion thread.

Lucas Neill wrote:Bullshit Tweeds....Ronaldo done f@ck all both times against Lille...there is no way he is that much better than Mancini..and on form Mancini can be equally as good...

bluenine wrote:Mancini > Giggs
Taddei < Ronaldo

On Fiorentina "as good as" Arsenal IF TONI STAYS:
http://europeanboard.ephpbb.com/European-Leagues-f4/Toni-joins-Bayern-t9485-80.htm

bluenine wrote:No disrespect intended, mate. Of course they are very different clubs, with different resources. Fiorentina are where arsenal were 1-2 years ago. They have assembled talented kids, and they are building for the future. I did not imply they are equals, just that they have about equal chances of winning their leagues coz Serie A has more contenders (hence there could be more upsets).

As you can see, I never said any of the things you are attributing to me. So should I call you ignorant or a liar?? Whose being hypocritical here?? I think you owe me an apology, dude!

bluenine wrote:Lrd?

bluenine wrote:

L r d wrote:
I see as much ignorance from you as most other people, yet you always shout ignorance when someone says something about seria a that doesn't meet with your opinion. fiorentina as good as arsenal is fine. juventus better than valencia is fine. mancini = ronaldo is fine normal. villareal better than fiorentina is ignorance and bias

The hypocrisy is incredible.

I never said any of the things you mention, you are either assigning me someone elses comments, or mis-quoting me, or just plain lying. I want to challenge some of these lies you and some others seem to be spearding about me at one go. Let me demonstrate with some of my quotes on these topics - I have provided the links as well, just to show to you that all 3 comments that you are attributing to me are LIES:

From this thread, regarding Juve-Valencia:

bluenine wrote:I agree. Valencia are quality, and at the mo are better than Juve.

On Ronaldo-Mancini comparison:
http://europeanboard.ephpbb.com/European-Cups-f5/European-Champions-league-draw-t7434-220.htm

Rez wrote:Bluenines been very objective and said united will probably beat Roma and that it was a bad tie for Roma, on the Seri A discussion thread.

Lucas Neill wrote:Bullshit Tweeds....Ronaldo done f@ck all both times against Lille...there is no way he is that much better than Mancini..and on form Mancini can be equally as good...

bluenine wrote:Mancini > Giggs
Taddei < Ronaldo

On Fiorentina "as good as" Arsenal IF TONI STAYS:
http://europeanboard.ephpbb.com/European-Leagues-f4/Toni-joins-Bayern-t9485-80.htm

bluenine wrote:No disrespect intended, mate. Of course they are very different clubs, with different resources. Fiorentina are where arsenal were 1-2 years ago. They have assembled talented kids, and they are building for the future. I did not imply they are equals, just that they have about equal chances of winning their leagues coz Serie A has more contenders (hence there could be more upsets).

As you can see, I never said any of the things you are attributing to me. So should I call you ignorant or a liar?? Whose being hypocritical here?? I think you owe me an apology, dude!

I think you have more chance of getting hacked, than getting an apology

Tweedle wrote:

Luis wrote:Juve are better than Bayern and possibly Valencia, it depends, could Juve beat most of them? probably

That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

Juve's goalkeeper is better but aside from that, Bayern are stronger in pretty much every position

I saw Bayern play the other day I think vs Karlsruhe? Juventus don't get near them.

If Juve played Bayern I would bank on a Juventus win

Nah, Bayern are way too strong this season...

Luis wrote:If Juve played Bayern I would bank on a Juventus win

bluenine wrote:Nah, Bayern are way too strong this season...

Luis wrote:If Juve played Bayern I would bank on a Juventus win

this is one game though

Luis wrote:

bluenine wrote:Nah, Bayern are way too strong this season...

Luis wrote:If Juve played Bayern I would bank on a Juventus win

this is one game though

Liverpool could play Birmingham and lose. It doesn't make Birmingham better though

Bayern have a much stronger squad than Juventus. The likes of Toni, Ribery, Lahm, Altintop, Van Bommel, Klose etc...

Tweedle wrote:

Luis wrote:

bluenine wrote:Nah, Bayern are way too strong this season...

Luis wrote:If Juve played Bayern I would bank on a Juventus win

this is one game though

Liverpool could play Birmingham and lose. It doesn't make Birmingham better though

We'll see at the end of the season, If Juve finish top 3 in Serie A then they are just as good as Bayern if not better

No they aren't luis! Do you even know Bayern's squad?

Its rammed with top class and world class players: Sagnol, Lucio, Van Buyten, Ribery, Lahm, Toni, Klose, Altintop...

Saying that Juve are better is ridiculous.

Its like saying that Zaragoza are better than Liverpool

So what? a team can have top class names but may not be a top class team, the Italian league is far more competative than the silly German league, Juventus are a better team than Bayern and will prove it when both end up facing each other in next years champions league.

End of story.

But that doesn't matter does it? Lyon were one of Europes top 10 teams a couple of years ago...and the state of the French league was poor.

Bayern are better than Juventus IMO.

They've been playing superbly this season in the bundesliga.

The Bundesliga may not be as competitive as Serie A but I can guarantee you that the present Bayern team is better than Juve's

Luis it's obvious you haven't watched Bayern this season. I'd be surprised if you've even watched much of Juve.

kas wrote:Luis it's obvious you haven't watched Bayern this season. I'd be surprised if you've even watched much of Juve.

I've seen 3 of Juve's 5 league games

Stop sticking your nose in other people's business again Kas, it's tiresome

Since when is this exclusively your business? Should posters only stick to talking about their own club, or threads they have started themselves? And what do you mean by "again"?

I'm here to discuss football, and I'm agreeing with other posters in saying that Bayern have an absolutely awesome squad this year, have been playing superb football, and are much better than Juventus at this moment. You have confirmed my suspicion as well by effectively admitting you haven't watched Bayern at all this season.

kas wrote:Since when is this exclusively your business? Should posters only stick to talking about their own club, or threads they have started themselves? And what do you mean by "again"?

I'm here to discuss football, and I'm agreeing with other posters in saying that Bayern have an absolutely awesome squad this year, have been playing superb football, and are much better than Juventus at this moment. You have confirmed my suspicion as well by effectively admitting you haven't watched Bayern at all this season.

You were wrong about me not watching Juve though and your tone was very patronising, obviously trying to annoy me, just don't do it

Stupid Channel 5 bastards always showing the dullest team in Serie A

Tweedle wrote:Stupid Channel 5 bastards always showing the dullest team in Serie A

agreed.

Which match is it this week?

Tv guide doesn't say

surely got to be Roma-Inter?

Bayern are currently full of quality, and would be a match for ANY side in Europe, let alone Juve. The fact that the likes of Podolski, Schweinsteiger, Van Buyten & Sosa can't make the first team is testament to that. They can currently shadow every position with genuine quality, and for me would have been genuine CL contenders for the first time in a few years if they had participated.

Channel 5 game this week is Milan-Catania, the Roma-Inter game is on Saturday.

So

Luis=Wum of the board?

Maybe Ballack should give him that as a permanent title.