Non-italians don't watch Serie A

Gigliati wrote:I am not saying that followers of any league are more biased than any other. Just saying that posters on this MB are ignorant of Serie A like this thread mentions which brings about a bias against Italian clubs and players.

Trezeguat may not make the Arsenal team for tactical reasons. That much I follow. But you say that Adebayor is a better player than Trezeguat?

L r d wrote:
That's the thing i never get with seria a posters. You claim others are biased like you are not. The only difference is i wont call you ignorant for thinking juventus are better than Valencia, yet you will call me ignorant for thinking Villareal are better than either juventus or fiorentina.

Buffon...Nedved. Nobody else would make the Arsenal team from Juventus. Arsenal turned down the choice to buy Trezeguet. Adebayor is a better player. Bolton striker Anelka is ahead of him for france along with arsenal reject henry

Arsenal and valencia both had the chance to buy Trezeguet says it all to me

You are making my point, SteveG. Whether Juve are better or worse than Valencia or Arsenal we can argue and its debatable. But to say that Villareal are better than Juventus and Fiorentina is just plain ignorance.

StevieG wrote:
morientes. villa i wudnt say is a true goalscorer but hes still one of the most saught after strikers in the world for nothing. and no villareal or sevilla probably aint better thn juve. sevilla debatable. my argument really is i dont see how you can say juve are better thn arsenal or valencia. trezeguet yeah hes a good finisher but hes defendable. nedved always has been class not disputing but he not got many years left. juventus just aint this huge team they used to be and its their own fault for been corrupt

rza wrote:
Sometime I feel bad for Bluenine coz he’s the only one who gives an opinion on Serie A while every body else has less clue or none whatsoever.

Bit of a sweeping statement to make ! ive got to disagree with you, i for one love Italian football and regularly post about it and although a fair few posters have left there are still a number of people (Deano, Kaka, Murray etc) who post about issues in Serie A and know their stuff.

I come from China. Seria A is popular here. Though Italian football clubs are not rich as those in England, but advantage built through such years is not easy to be overturned. And that is the reason that Italian football team won the world cup and AC mlian won the European championship last year. I like Seria A. I like International milan.

Gigliati wrote:You are making my point, SteveG. Whether Juve are better or worse than Valencia or Arsenal we can argue and its debatable. But to say that Villareal are better than Juventus and Fiorentina is just plain ignorance.

StevieG wrote:
morientes. villa i wudnt say is a true goalscorer but hes still one of the most saught after strikers in the world for nothing. and no villareal or sevilla probably aint better thn juve. sevilla debatable. my argument really is i dont see how you can say juve are better thn arsenal or valencia. trezeguet yeah hes a good finisher but hes defendable. nedved always has been class not disputing but he not got many years left. juventus just aint this huge team they used to be and its their own fault for been corrupt

Agreed

Gigliati wrote:I am not saying that followers of any league are more biased than any other. Just saying that posters on this MB are ignorant of Serie A like this thread mentions which brings about a bias against Italian clubs and players.

Trezeguat may not make the Arsenal team for tactical reasons. That much I follow. But you say that Adebayor is a better player than Trezeguat?

L r d wrote:
That's the thing i never get with seria a posters. You claim others are biased like you are not. The only difference is i wont call you ignorant for thinking juventus are better than Valencia, yet you will call me ignorant for thinking Villareal are better than either juventus or fiorentina.

Buffon...Nedved. Nobody else would make the Arsenal team from Juventus. Arsenal turned down the choice to buy Trezeguet. Adebayor is a better player. Bolton striker Anelka is ahead of him for france along with arsenal reject henry

yes, way below trez in terms of finishing( not even in the same league), but way better footballer: better dribbler, passer, technique, skills, pace etc

Agooner wrote:

Gigliati wrote:I am not saying that followers of any league are more biased than any other. Just saying that posters on this MB are ignorant of Serie A like this thread mentions which brings about a bias against Italian clubs and players.

Trezeguat may not make the Arsenal team for tactical reasons. That much I follow. But you say that Adebayor is a better player than Trezeguat?

L r d wrote:
That's the thing i never get with seria a posters. You claim others are biased like you are not. The only difference is i wont call you ignorant for thinking juventus are better than Valencia, yet you will call me ignorant for thinking Villareal are better than either juventus or fiorentina.

Buffon...Nedved. Nobody else would make the Arsenal team from Juventus. Arsenal turned down the choice to buy Trezeguet. Adebayor is a better player. Bolton striker Anelka is ahead of him for france along with arsenal reject henry

yes, way below trez in terms of finishing( not even in the same league), but way better footballer: better dribbler, passer, technique, skills, pace etc

Adebayor is not in the same league as trezeguet for me overall

readsee wrote:I come from China. Seria A is popular here. Though Italian football clubs are not rich as those in England, but advantage built through such years is not easy to be overturned. And that is the reason that Italian football team won the world cup and AC mlian won the European championship last year. I like Seria A. I like International milan.

welcome to the board. Do you get much la liga coverage in China?

It's about even between Ade & Trez for Me...

One's a brilliant finisher but does nothing else otherwise.

The other has great all-round game but is a very inconsistent finisher.

Spot on, dude

I just knew this tweedy statement will fire you up

There are a few good posters here who understand Serie A (Forza, Bobo, Murray, Goater, Kaka, Tarun, red n black, Deano, etc) but a lot of good posters have left. Specially miss Pirlo, he was a great poster. While the number of posters ignorant about Serie A have only increased. I have mentioned this a few times on this MB, its sad.

Gigliati wrote:You are making my point, SteveG. Whether Juve are better or worse than Valencia or Arsenal we can argue and its debatable. But to say that Villareal are better than Juventus and Fiorentina is just plain ignorance.

StevieG wrote:
morientes. villa i wudnt say is a true goalscorer but hes still one of the most saught after strikers in the world for nothing. and no villareal or sevilla probably aint better thn juve. sevilla debatable. my argument really is i dont see how you can say juve are better thn arsenal or valencia. trezeguet yeah hes a good finisher but hes defendable. nedved always has been class not disputing but he not got many years left. juventus just aint this huge team they used to be and its their own fault for been corrupt

StevieG wrote:

Agooner wrote:

Gigliati wrote:I am not saying that followers of any league are more biased than any other. Just saying that posters on this MB are ignorant of Serie A like this thread mentions which brings about a bias against Italian clubs and players.

Trezeguat may not make the Arsenal team for tactical reasons. That much I follow. But you say that Adebayor is a better player than Trezeguat?

L r d wrote:
That's the thing i never get with seria a posters. You claim others are biased like you are not. The only difference is i wont call you ignorant for thinking juventus are better than Valencia, yet you will call me ignorant for thinking Villareal are better than either juventus or fiorentina.

Buffon...Nedved. Nobody else would make the Arsenal team from Juventus. Arsenal turned down the choice to buy Trezeguet. Adebayor is a better player. Bolton striker Anelka is ahead of him for france along with arsenal reject henry

yes, way below trez in terms of finishing( not even in the same league), but way better footballer: better dribbler, passer, technique, skills, pace etc

Adebayor is not in the same league as trezeguet for me overall

so apart from finishing, what other qualities does he have that are better than Ade's?

I watch Dutch, German and English football, and some Spanish highlights + full games of Madrid recently.

Since a while there are highlights of Italian football on tv...though I rarely watch them. Its depressing, those half empty third world stadiums, the fog that seems always to be around when Juve is playing. And not to mention the negative tactics!!

Allthough when I was a kid, that was the best league in the world, saw a Napoli-Milan on espn from 1989 or something. That was quality.

Didn't expect ignorance from you, Fey. Serie A sides play more attacking football than EPL/La Liga clubs for a few years now. There are so many teams which play 3 strikers!! And there are more goals!

Feygelein wrote:I watch Dutch, German and English football, and some Spanish highlights + full games of Madrid recently.

Since a while there are highlights of Italian football on tv...though I rarely watch them. Its depressing, those half empty third world stadiums, the fog that seems always to be around when Juve is playing. And not to mention the negative tactics!!

Allthough when I was a kid, that was the best league in the world, saw a Napoli-Milan on espn from 1989 or something. That was quality.

i know thats what gets me the stadiums are always half empty. you wudn't see that in most leagues.

Adebayor and Treze are very different type of players, so its a difficult comparison.

In his category, Treze has been one of the best in the world for a while now. There are hardly any better finishers.

Adebayor is a talented striker, good skills, looks promising. But among his type, he is not in the top category yet.

Its a bit like comparing Rosina with RVN. You just cannot say that Rosina is a better player, that would be just wrong.

Blue, you know that league better then me, so you are probably right. But you cant deny there are an awful alot of 1-1, 0-0, 2-1 results. Surely that has something to do with quality, But us Dutchies like to see goals..loads of them!!

Like I said I watch a decent amount of football, but I think the Serie A needs to change its attitude to replace an other league for us Dutchies. Allthough I think the low amount f Dutch players has something to do as well.

I always do pick Italian teams at Pro Evo, and lost my virginity before an Italy game. So they always have a special place for me, and you cant call me biased

I think that attitue will change if you watch some games.

EPL and La Liga have many more 0-0 or 1-0 games than Serie A. And Serie A has more goals than EPL or La Liga consistantly for a few years now. You dutchies need to start watching again.... (I guess it also has to do a lot with the number of dutch players in EPL & La Liga these days).

Like yesterday we had games like:
Genoa 3-2 Udinese
Fiorentina 2-2 Roma
Inter 3-0 Sampdoria
Juve 4-0 Reggina
Lazio 3-1 Cagliari
Palermo 2-1 Milan

All in one matchday!

Have a look at thye number of goals scored in the last 3 seasons, you will find Serie A at the top.

Italian teams have changed, and the negative mentality is long gone.

You lost your virginity before an Italian game? Do tell!

Feygelein wrote:Blue, you know that league better then me, so you are probably right. But you cant deny there are an awful alot of 1-1, 0-0, 2-1 results. Surely that has something to do with quality, But us Dutchies like to see goals..loads of them!!

Like I said I watch a decent amount of football, but I think the Serie A needs to change its attitude to replace an other league for us Dutchies. Allthough I think the low amount f Dutch players has something to do as well.

I always do pick Italian teams at Pro Evo, and lost my virginity before an Italy game. So they always have a special place for me, and you cant call me biased

Arsenal and valencia are better than Juve.

Villareal have Rossi, so are as good as Juve and better than Fiorentina

Roma, Valencia and Arsenal are about the same, although on current form I would rather play the other two, than play Arsenal.

aye i wudn't want to play arsenal the way their playing atm. they destroyed sevilla 3-0 that dusn't happen much. although the scoreline probably suggested they thumped them which they didn't

Newcastle have Martins so they are as good as ManU and better than Arsenal

Rez wrote:Arsenal and valencia are better than Juve.

Villareal have Rossi, so are as good as Juve and better than Fiorentina

Roma, Valencia and Arsenal are about the same, although on current form I would rather play the other two, than play Arsenal.

Luis wrote:Juve are better than Bayern and possibly Valencia, it depends, could Juve beat most of them? probably

Juve is not better than Valencia. We have an excellent squad; few weaknesses and have won seven of eight games this season. On any objective view Valencia is better than Juve, and I say that as someone who likes Serie A and Italian football.

I agree. Valencia are quality, and at the mo are better than Juve. Maybe next season it will be a different story as Juve will surely spend big time.

But Juve are definately better than Villareal, starting XI wise and squad wise.

EMP wrote:

Luis wrote:Juve are better than Bayern and possibly Valencia, it depends, could Juve beat most of them? probably

Juve is not better than Valencia. We have an excellent squad; few weaknesses and have won seven of eight games this season. On any objective view Valencia is better than Juve, and I say that as someone who likes Serie A and Italian football.

bluenine wrote:Newcastle have Martins so they are as good as ManU and better than Arsenal

Rez wrote:Arsenal and valencia are better than Juve.

Villareal have Rossi, so are as good as Juve and better than Fiorentina

Roma, Valencia and Arsenal are about the same, although on current form I would rather play the other two, than play Arsenal.

Newcastle had Martins against Arsenals reserves and they lost 2-0 so that ends that theory.

Anyway as Martins (currently) has a proclivity to miss open goals (two in two games and counting) having him is an disadvantage not an advantage to the team.

In all honesty Juve are better than Vilaareal, but Fiorentina are inferior.

haha

You did a Tweedy on Tweedy!

Gigliati wrote:So Villareal are now better than Arsenal too?

Did you watch the Fiorentina-Roma game yesterday? There was nothing between the sides. If anything we played better in the second half.

You are talking rubbish about Juventus. Nedved is still better than Rocisky. Ask any Czech. You do not have a goal scorer of Trezeguat's class. Chiellini is a better fullback than anyone you have. Iaquinta or Del Piero? Its a matter of opinion. Camoranesi? If a person who is not biased like you makes a team between Juventus & Arsenal it would be evenly split.

Tweedle wrote:

Gigliati wrote:Roma over Arsenal.

That's debateable. They're both equal IMO.

Juventus are as good as Valencia and Arsenal.

Juve aren't anywhere near as good as us or Valencia. The only player I'd take off Juve to put in Arsenal's first team is Buffon.

I'd say that Andrade and one of Iaquinta or Trezeruget would maybe have a chance but aside from that no-one.

Valencia are certtainly better than Juve.

I was only kidding re Newcastle.

Nah, Fiorentina are as good as Juve, and better than Villareal.

Rez wrote:

bluenine wrote:Newcastle have Martins so they are as good as ManU and better than Arsenal

Rez wrote:Arsenal and valencia are better than Juve.

Villareal have Rossi, so are as good as Juve and better than Fiorentina

Roma, Valencia and Arsenal are about the same, although on current form I would rather play the other two, than play Arsenal.

Newcastle had Martins against Arsenals reserves and they lost 2-0 so that ends that theory.



Anyway as Martins (currently) has a proclivity to miss open goals (two in two games and counting) having him is an disadvantage not an advantage to the team.



In all honesty Juve are better than Vilaareal, but Fiorentina are inferior.

[quote="Luis"]

Tweedle wrote:

Gigliati wrote:Roma over Arsenal.

That's debateable. They're both equal IMO.

Juventus are as good as Valencia and Arsenal.

Juve aren't anywhere near as good as us or Valencia. The only player I'd take off Juve to put in Arsenal's first team is Buffon.

I'd say that Andrade and one of Iaquinta or Trezeruget would maybe have a chance but aside from that no-one.

Valencia are certtainly better than Juve.

Performance wise maybe not, but in terms of getting results and being hard to beat Juve are better[/quote]

Valencia have seven wins in eight matches. I'd say that means we are pretty hard to beat. Our only defeat was against Villarreal with nine players. Villarreal certainly deserved to beat us, but how you can imply we are not hard to beat is beyond me.

Juventus are better defensively than Valencia is what I was trying to say

Luis wrote:Juventus are better defensively than Valencia is what I was trying to say

i wudn't say thats true either to be honest. did you not watch valencia last season against inter at the mestalla. since then we have lost ayala mind and at the moment i wudn't say were up to 100% sound in the defense but were getting there.!

I think a fully fit Juventus (once the newcomers blend in) will play the following midfield:

Camoranesi - Tiago - Almiron - Nedved

Reserves:

Salihamidzic - Nocerino - C Zanetti - Olivera

I think Olivera is the back-up for Nedved. And it is a very decent midfield, tho it does lack a little bite! They are missing their Davids/Emerson/Vieira kind of players.

Gigliati wrote:He is not able to break into the Juventus starting XI inspite of Camoranesi's injury. Tiago is more of a Nedved back-up for the time being.

Luis wrote:

Juego de la Okkas wrote:Is Tiago injured?

I don't think so

StevieG wrote:i know thats what gets me the stadiums are always half empty. you wudn't see that in most leagues.

Italian football is not as negative as some think. I went to a few matches last season and I was impressed with what I saw. Catania beat Sampdoria 4-2 in a thrilling match with a hat-trick from Gionatha Spinesi. There was nothing wrong with the attacking; ironically it was the defending that left something to be desired.

And this was true of other games too. I saw Catania v Sampdoria, Palermo v Ascoli, Palermo v Roma, Reggina v Chievo and Messina v Fiorentina. 5 matches and not a negative one among them. Reggina v Chievo wasn't great but loads at stake. All five were more attacking than defensive. It is a complete falacy to describe Serie A as a defensive league. It was years ago, but not now. And those matches were honestly played.

It is about time this board appreciated Italian football again. If you don't it is your loss. Give it a chance and you will see some good football - attacking football that is. Same goes for what I have seen this season.

Hope Catania turn Milan over though as I like Catania. For those of you who doubt the technical ability and sportsmanship in Italian football watch Catania v Milan from last seasom. If Messi or Villa for example had scored that goal we'd still be raving about it now. Spinesi's goal was sheer class. Even the Milan players appreciated it and applauded him off when substituted.