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Tweedle wrote:Luis wrote:Juve are better than Bayern and possibly Valencia, it depends, could Juve beat most of them? probably
That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
Juve's goalkeeper is better but aside from that, Bayern are stronger in pretty much every position
Bayern have top players in every position
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Yep saw them a few weeks back against Belenenses
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Luis wrote:Tweedle wrote:Luis wrote:Juve are better than Bayern and possibly Valencia, it depends, could Juve beat most of them? probably
That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
Juve's goalkeeper is better but aside from that, Bayern are stronger in pretty much every position
Juve will finish top 3 possibly in a tough league, the German league is no way near as good,
You think they will finish above Milan?
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I'm surprised you are writing them off then, personally I think they have looked better than Juve this season and have a great team and squad. Goalkeeper is the only position I would say that Juve have a clear advantage over them.
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Gigliati wrote:Blue knows his football. Great poster. There are a lot of posters here who understand the Permiership and Spanish Primera however there is a lot of ignorance about Serie A. Did someone really say that Villareal are better than Fiorentina and JUVE?
Calidad wrote:I also feel for blue a bit. He's a great poster, but sadly the Serie A contingent seems to be dropping away from the board. Kaka posts a bit, but what happened to Pirlo, Pippo & Red & Black, Tarun, Waft & and that other Inter fan?
Just a matter of opinion I guess. I'm not sure I entirely agree, but both are good sides and capable of beating each other IMO.
Serie A followers like you need to start posting more
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L r d wrote:Luis wrote:Tweedle wrote:Luis wrote:Juve are better than Bayern and possibly Valencia, it depends, could Juve beat most of them? probably
That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
Juve's goalkeeper is better but aside from that, Bayern are stronger in pretty much every position
Juve will finish top 3 possibly in a tough league, the German league is no way near as good,
You think they will finish above Milan?
Maybe.
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Then you are talking $h!t. Because Fiorentina have done as well as Roma. Since 2005-06 season, Fiorentina have won as many if not more points in Serie A than even Roma.
Villareal beat Inter in the CL so are they better than Inter too?
Villareal beat Inter in the CL so are they better than Inter too?
Tweedle wrote:Gigliati wrote:Fiorentina finished in the top 4 for the last 2 seasons on points! You can compare us to Roma, Valencia and Arsenal from a domestic league point of view, not Villareal.
Fiorentina have done better than Roma in the last 2 seasons in Serie A, go check it out! So are you saying that Villareal are also better than Roma?
I'm not saying that they're better than Roma, no.
Fiorentina in both seasons haven't had any European competition to worry about, so that's 10/15 games less than the other top teams in Serie A. Villarreal in each of those years have been playing in Europe and two of the past four seasons they've reached semi finals of European competitons. That's a hell of a lot of extra games to worry about
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Roma over Arsenal. Juventus are as good as Valencia and Arsenal.
Tweedle wrote:Juventus have two good strikers, a decent ageing winger, a very good centre back, a top class midfielder (tiago) a hot left back prospect and a world class keeper but aside from that they are average.
Lets see:
Bayern
Man Utd
Chelsea
Liverpool
Arsenal
Barcelona
Valencia
Milan
Inter
Real Madrid.
Which ones of those are Juventus better than?Gigliati wrote:Perhaps they will. Maybe they will go further than Bayern as well. Does not make them a better side.
I am more surprised that you put them ahead of Juventus! Because player on player Juventus are a top 10 side in europe.
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I'm not 'talking $h!t'.
My point is that Fiorentina haven't had the extra 10/15 games to play a season that Roma and Villarreal have had
My point is that Fiorentina haven't had the extra 10/15 games to play a season that Roma and Villarreal have had
Gigliati wrote:Then you are talking $h!t. Because Fiorentina have done as well as Roma. Since 2005-06 season, Fiorentina have won as many if not more points in Serie A than even Roma.
Villareal beat Inter in the CL so are they better than Inter too?Tweedle wrote:Gigliati wrote:Fiorentina finished in the top 4 for the last 2 seasons on points! You can compare us to Roma, Valencia and Arsenal from a domestic league point of view, not Villareal.
Fiorentina have done better than Roma in the last 2 seasons in Serie A, go check it out! So are you saying that Villareal are also better than Roma?
I'm not saying that they're better than Roma, no.
Fiorentina in both seasons haven't had any European competition to worry about, so that's 10/15 games less than the other top teams in Serie A. Villarreal in each of those years have been playing in Europe and two of the past four seasons they've reached semi finals of European competitons. That's a hell of a lot of extra games to worry about
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Gigliati wrote:Roma over Arsenal.
That's debateable. They're both equal IMO.
Juventus are as good as Valencia and Arsenal.
Juve aren't anywhere near as good as us or Valencia. The only player I'd take off Juve to put in Arsenal's first team is Buffon.
I'd say that Andrade and one of Iaquinta or Trezeruget would maybe have a chance but aside from that no-one.
Valencia are certtainly better than Juve.
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Gigliati wrote:Roma over Arsenal. Juventus are as good as Valencia and Arsenal.Tweedle wrote:Juventus have two good strikers, a decent ageing winger, a very good centre back, a top class midfielder (tiago) a hot left back prospect and a world class keeper but aside from that they are average.
Lets see:
Bayern
Man Utd
Chelsea
Liverpool
Arsenal
Barcelona
Valencia
Milan
Inter
Real Madrid.
Which ones of those are Juventus better than?Gigliati wrote:Perhaps they will. Maybe they will go further than Bayern as well. Does not make them a better side.
I am more surprised that you put them ahead of Juventus! Because player on player Juventus are a top 10 side in europe.
based on what?
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Tweedle wrote:Gigliati wrote:Roma over Arsenal.
That's debateable. They're both equal IMO.
Juventus are as good as Valencia and Arsenal.
Juve aren't anywhere near as good as us or Valencia. The only player I'd take off Juve to put in Arsenal's first team is Buffon.
I'd say that Andrade and one of Iaquinta or Trezeruget would maybe have a chance but aside from that no-one.
Valencia are certtainly better than Juve.
Performance wise maybe not, but in terms of getting results and being hard to beat Juve are better
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I do watch quite a bit of Serie A, but I'm not online enough to post about it much. 
Roma & Fiorentina will finish ahead of Juve
Juve are NOT better than Bayern - Only Buffon, Andrade & Tiago would get into the Bayern team IMO.
Roma & Fiorentina will finish ahead of Juve
Juve are NOT better than Bayern - Only Buffon, Andrade & Tiago would get into the Bayern team IMO.
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TeamSpiritwrote:I do watch quite a bit of Serie A, but I'm not online enough to post about it much.
Roma & Fiorentina will finish ahead of Juve
Juve are NOT better than Bayern - Only Buffon, Andrade & Tiago would get into the Bayern team IMO.
I really doubt this
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COTR wrote:Italian football has always been pretty hard to watch in the UK. It just is never really on TV. Channel four used to do an excellent highlights programme and this is probably when it was at it's most popular over here
Over the past few years we have had to make do with a mixture of no coverage at all, bravo and channel five.
Then of course you have the stereotype which seems to be ingrained in people's minds that Italian football will bore the $h!t out of you for 90 minutes. It is unfair, however normally we sit down to watch an Italian match and expect to turn it over after 20 minutes (obviously I don't speak for everyone but I am guessing a lot of people also think like this)
I am not quite sure how this is going to change. Perhaps if sky take over the coverage and make it a lot more interesting for the masses. It is actually a major shock they have not secured the rights already because they show enough $h!t football (they recently started showing live northern ireland league matches)
yeah when goalazioooooooooooo or whatever it was called was on i used to always watch it.
to be honest i havn't even took an insight into the league since it became corrupt. I aint the biggest fan of the football style in italy either. Think it can be very defensively based.
I only really watch english premier league + lower leagues of england and la liga
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Is Tiago injured?
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I disagree regarding Bayern. They are up there in the category with Barcelona, Manchester United and Inter!
But Juventus are as good as Valencia or Arsenal if not better. After one year in Serie B they have managed a good start in Serie A. They will only get better when the new players like Almiron, Molinaro, Iaquinta, and Tiago start combining better. However, Andrade's injury is a big blow for them.
The mistake people here are making is thinking that Trezeguat, Nedved, Del Piero or Camoranesi are over the hill. Far from it. They are as over the hill as Henry, Crespo or RVN. Class is permanent and they are not that old.
But Juventus are as good as Valencia or Arsenal if not better. After one year in Serie B they have managed a good start in Serie A. They will only get better when the new players like Almiron, Molinaro, Iaquinta, and Tiago start combining better. However, Andrade's injury is a big blow for them.
The mistake people here are making is thinking that Trezeguat, Nedved, Del Piero or Camoranesi are over the hill. Far from it. They are as over the hill as Henry, Crespo or RVN. Class is permanent and they are not that old.
Sheffield gunner wrote:I'm surprised you are writing them off then, personally I think they have looked better than Juve this season and have a great team and squad. Goalkeeper is the only position I would say that Juve have a clear advantage over them.
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Luis wrote:TeamSpirit
Roma & Fiorentina will finish ahead of Juve
Juve are NOT better than Bayern - Only Buffon, Andrade & Tiago would get into the Bayern team IMO.
I'm unsure. It depends how much the Viola are affected by playing in Europe. Juve only have the 38 league games and a possible Italian Cup run to worry about.
In terms of entertainment value Fiorentina>>Juve, so I hope Fiorentina finish higher
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Juego de la Okkas wrote:Is Tiago injured?
I don't think so
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Gigliati wrote:I disagree regarding Bayern. They are up there in the category with Barcelona, Manchester United and Inter!
But Juventus are as good as Valencia or Arsenal if not better. After one year in Serie B they have managed a good start in Serie A. They will only get better when the new players like Almiron, Molinaro, Iaquinta, and Tiago start combining better. However, Andrade's injury is a big blow for them.
The mistake people here are making is thinking that Trezeguat, Nedved, Del Piero or Camoranesi are over the hill. Far from it. They are as over the hill as Henry, Crespo or RVN. Class is permanent and they are not that old.Sheffield gunner wrote:I'm surprised you are writing them off then, personally I think they have looked better than Juve this season and have a great team and squad. Goalkeeper is the only position I would say that Juve have a clear advantage over them.
Trez is still one of the best finishers in Europe.
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Tweedle wrote:Gigliati wrote:Roma over Arsenal.
That's debateable. They're both equal IMO.
Juventus are as good as Valencia and Arsenal.
Juve aren't anywhere near as good as us or Valencia. The only player I'd take off Juve to put in Arsenal's first team is Buffon.
I'd say that Andrade and one of Iaquinta or Trezeruget would maybe have a chance but aside from that no-one.
Valencia are certtainly better than Juve.
used to be better. their no where near as good as either nowerdays. silly quote i think. EPL & La Liga > Serie a
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So Villareal are now better than Arsenal too? 
Did you watch the Fiorentina-Roma game yesterday? There was nothing between the sides. If anything we played better in the second half.
You are talking rubbish about Juventus. Nedved is still better than Rocisky. Ask any Czech. You do not have a goal scorer of Trezeguat's class. Chiellini is a better fullback than anyone you have. Iaquinta or Del Piero? Its a matter of opinion. Camoranesi? If a person who is not biased like you makes a team between Juventus & Arsenal it would be evenly split.
Did you watch the Fiorentina-Roma game yesterday? There was nothing between the sides. If anything we played better in the second half.
You are talking rubbish about Juventus. Nedved is still better than Rocisky. Ask any Czech. You do not have a goal scorer of Trezeguat's class. Chiellini is a better fullback than anyone you have. Iaquinta or Del Piero? Its a matter of opinion. Camoranesi? If a person who is not biased like you makes a team between Juventus & Arsenal it would be evenly split.
Tweedle wrote:Gigliati wrote:Roma over Arsenal.
That's debateable. They're both equal IMO.
Juventus are as good as Valencia and Arsenal.
Juve aren't anywhere near as good as us or Valencia. The only player I'd take off Juve to put in Arsenal's first team is Buffon.
I'd say that Andrade and one of Iaquinta or Trezeruget would maybe have a chance but aside from that no-one.
Valencia are certtainly better than Juve.
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He is not able to break into the Juventus starting XI inspite of Camoranesi's injury. Tiago is more of a Nedved back-up for the time being.
Luis wrote:Juego de la Okkas wrote:Is Tiago injured?
I don't think so
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I thought he would play in midfield with Zanetti.
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Tiago played last night
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Nedved was rested
Luis wrote:Tiago played last night
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Gigliati wrote:So Villareal are now better than Arsenal too?
Did you watch the Fiorentina-Roma game yesterday? There was nothing between the sides. If anything we played better in the second half.
You are talking rubbish about Juventus. Nedved is still better than Rocisky. Ask any Czech. You do not have a goal scorer of Trezeguat's class. Chiellini is a better fullback than anyone you have. Iaquinta or Del Piero? Its a matter of opinion. Camoranesi? If a person who is not biased like you makes a team between Juventus & Arsenal it would be evenly split.Tweedle wrote:Gigliati wrote:Roma over Arsenal.
That's debateable. They're both equal IMO.
Juventus are as good as Valencia and Arsenal.
Juve aren't anywhere near as good as us or Valencia. The only player I'd take off Juve to put in Arsenal's first team is Buffon.
I'd say that Andrade and one of Iaquinta or Trezeruget would maybe have a chance but aside from that no-one.
Valencia are certtainly better than Juve.
That's the thing i never get with seria a posters. You claim others are biased like you are not. The only difference is i wont call you ignorant for thinking juventus are better than Valencia, yet you will call me ignorant for thinking Villareal are better than either juventus or fiorentina.Buffon...Nedved maybe the left back. Nobody else would make the Arsenal team from Juventus. Arsenal turned down the choice to buy Trezeguet. Adebayor is a better player. Bolton striker Anelka is ahead of him for france along with arsenal reject henry
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Gigliati wrote:So Villareal are now better than Arsenal too?
Did you watch the Fiorentina-Roma game yesterday? There was nothing between the sides. If anything we played better in the second half.
You are talking rubbish about Juventus. Nedved is still better than Rocisky. Ask any Czech. You do not have a goal scorer of Trezeguat's class. Chiellini is a better fullback than anyone you have. Iaquinta or Del Piero? Its a matter of opinion. Camoranesi? If a person who is not biased like you makes a team between Juventus & Arsenal it would be evenly split.Tweedle wrote:Gigliati wrote:Roma over Arsenal.
That's debateable. They're both equal IMO.
Juventus are as good as Valencia and Arsenal.
Juve aren't anywhere near as good as us or Valencia. The only player I'd take off Juve to put in Arsenal's first team is Buffon.
I'd say that Andrade and one of Iaquinta or Trezeruget would maybe have a chance but aside from that no-one.
Valencia are certtainly better than Juve.
morientes. villa i wudnt say is a true goalscorer but hes still one of the most saught after strikers in the world for nothing. and no villareal or sevilla probably aint better thn juve. sevilla debatable. my argument really is i dont see how you can say juve are better thn arsenal or valencia. trezeguet yeah hes a good finisher but hes defendable. nedved always has been class not disputing but he not got many years left. juventus just aint this huge team they used to be and its their own fault for been corrupt
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I am not saying that followers of any league are more biased than any other. Just saying that posters on this MB are ignorant of Serie A like this thread mentions which brings about a bias against Italian clubs and players.
Trezeguat may not make the Arsenal team for tactical reasons. That much I follow. But you say that Adebayor is a better player than Trezeguat?
Trezeguat may not make the Arsenal team for tactical reasons. That much I follow. But you say that Adebayor is a better player than Trezeguat?
L r d wrote:
Buffon...Nedved. Nobody else would make the Arsenal team from Juventus. Arsenal turned down the choice to buy Trezeguet. Adebayor is a better player. Bolton striker Anelka is ahead of him for france along with arsenal reject henry
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