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    Post by Machiavel Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:46 pm

    Rosy wrote:
    Raifael wrote:
    Rosy wrote:
    Parks lives wrote:This place is a joke. Laughing

    We go to Arsenal away, keep them quiet for the majority of the first half, score a lovely team goal and fully deserved a draw and could/should of held onto the win. 'Yet we have no good passing moves' & 'not one player played well'.


    @ Kimbo

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    Well I didn't say that and you have a go at me? I stick by my view that Arsenal didn't deserve to be behind at half time and Anderson is a $h!t but it was a good second half and Rooney should have finished off a very good move.

    Anderson has been decent in his last 4 games in fact played well. Consider he came back from a injury and playing in a new league he is not $h!t.

    I said he is a $h!t, not that he played $h!t. Gesturing for a yellow card for an innocuous challenge. F off back to Portugal if you are going to do that Mr Anderson.

    Sorry for the error on my behalf , don't like card waving reminds me of Ballack.

    IMO this is a good result for Man United. These last few games the team is getting stronger.
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    Post by The Pröfessör Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:49 pm

    Typical manu performance against us; sit deep, play it long and hope for a flukey goal.

    It reminded of bolton. To be fair to bolton they don't play that kind of stuff anymore.
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    Post by Machiavel Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:50 pm

    Agooner wrote:Typical manu performance against us; sit deep, play it long and hope for a flukey goal.

    It reminded of bolton. To be fair to bolton they don't play that kind of stuff anymore.

    Well if you think this you should also think Man United respect Arsenal way of playing .. Man Uniteds 2nd goal was no fluke.

    You should be happy Arsenal got 1 point from the Champions.


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    Post by Rosy Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:50 pm

    Luis wrote:
    Parks lives wrote:
    Rosy wrote:Quote SKY Sports "Fantastic Fabregas"

    Top Rated Player
    Francesc Fabregas 7.4 Arsenal
    Must have done something!

    lol!

    & thats where I depart...

    wave

    As I said earlier Park's Life has never forgiven me for having a go at Roy Keane for bragging about crippling Alfie Haarland. Talk about holding a grudge!
    I thought Fabregas had a good game considering he was double marked. Rooney looked very sharp and overall had a very good game. Hleb was excellent in the first half. Saha made a differnce when he came on.
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    Post by Batman Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:51 pm

    Which player do you think had the better game?

    Almunia or VDS
    Sagna or Brown
    Toure or Rio
    Gallas or Vidic
    Clichy or Evra
    Eboue or Ronaldo
    Fabregas or Anderson
    Flamini or Hargreaves
    Rosicky or Giggs
    Hleb or Tevez
    Adebayor or Rooney
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    Post by The Pröfessör Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:52 pm

    Raifael wrote:
    Agooner wrote:Typical manu performance against us; sit deep, play it long and hope for a flukey goal.

    It reminded of bolton. To be fair to bolton they don't play that kind of stuff anymore.

    Well if you think this you should also think Man United respect Arsenal way of playing ..

    You should be happy Arsenal got 1 point from the Champions.

    no i am gutted we didn't win
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    Post by Hlebagone Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:52 pm

    Batman wrote:Which player do you think had the better game?

    Almunia or VDS
    Sagna or Brown
    Toure or Rio
    Gallas or Vidic
    Clichy or Evra
    Eboue or Ronaldo Only becuase Ronaldo was poor comparefd to how good he can be whereas Eboue had a good game for his standards.
    Fabregas or Anderson
    Flamini or Hargreaves
    Rosicky or Giggs Pretty irrelevant though.
    Hleb or Tevez
    Adebayor or Rooney


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    Post by Luis Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:53 pm

    Batman wrote:Which player do you think had the better game?

    Almunia or VDS
    Sagna or Brown
    Toure or Rio
    Gallas or Vidic
    Clichy or Evra
    Eboue or Ronaldo
    Fabregas or Anderson
    Flamini or Hargreaves
    Rosicky or Giggs
    Hleb or Tevez
    Adebayor or Rooney
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    Post by Machiavel Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:53 pm

    Agooner wrote:
    Raifael wrote:
    Agooner wrote:Typical manu performance against us; sit deep, play it long and hope for a flukey goal.

    It reminded of bolton. To be fair to bolton they don't play that kind of stuff anymore.

    Well if you think this you should also think Man United respect Arsenal way of playing ..

    You should be happy Arsenal got 1 point from the Champions.

    no i am gutted we didn't win

    What about your Title Credentials ?
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    Post by Rosy Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:53 pm

    Raifael wrote:
    Rosy wrote:
    Raifael wrote:
    Rosy wrote:
    Parks lives wrote:This place is a joke. Laughing

    We go to Arsenal away, keep them quiet for the majority of the first half, score a lovely team goal and fully deserved a draw and could/should of held onto the win. 'Yet we have no good passing moves' & 'not one player played well'.


    @ Kimbo

    0-3

    Well I didn't say that and you have a go at me? I stick by my view that Arsenal didn't deserve to be behind at half time and Anderson is a $h!t but it was a good second half and Rooney should have finished off a very good move.

    Anderson has been decent in his last 4 games in fact played well. Consider he came back from a injury and playing in a new league he is not $h!t.

    I said he is a $h!t, not that he played $h!t. Gesturing for a yellow card for an innocuous challenge. F off back to Portugal if you are going to do that Mr Anderson.

    Sorry for the error on my behalf , don't like card waving reminds me of Ballack.

    IMO this is a good result for Man United. These last few games the team is getting stronger.

    Apology accepted. I have to say the last thing I wanted was a Man U win. Could have been the springboard for a continuation of their winning run. We need them to be pegged back and feel a bit of pressure Smile
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    Post by Machiavel Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:55 pm

    Rosy wrote:
    Raifael wrote:
    Rosy wrote:
    Raifael wrote:
    Rosy wrote:
    Parks lives wrote:This place is a joke. Laughing

    We go to Arsenal away, keep them quiet for the majority of the first half, score a lovely team goal and fully deserved a draw and could/should of held onto the win. 'Yet we have no good passing moves' & 'not one player played well'.


    @ Kimbo

    0-3

    Well I didn't say that and you have a go at me? I stick by my view that Arsenal didn't deserve to be behind at half time and Anderson is a $h!t but it was a good second half and Rooney should have finished off a very good move.

    Anderson has been decent in his last 4 games in fact played well. Consider he came back from a injury and playing in a new league he is not $h!t.

    I said he is a $h!t, not that he played $h!t. Gesturing for a yellow card for an innocuous challenge. F off back to Portugal if you are going to do that Mr Anderson.

    Sorry for the error on my behalf , don't like card waving reminds me of Ballack.

    IMO this is a good result for Man United. These last few games the team is getting stronger.

    Apology accepted. I have to say the last thing I wanted was a Man U win. Could have been the springboard for a continuation of their winning run. We need them to be begged back and feel a bit of pressure Smile

    A draw is not a bad result IMO. Saha + Carrick who are key players return same as Gary Neville. The team can go on a run like they have showed in the past , Arsenal were favourites to win today and they did not.
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    Post by Rez Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:55 pm

    shazlx wrote:
    Rez wrote:
    COTR wrote:
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    Tweedle wrote:Its worth noting what a c**t Anderson was in this game though. Far worse than Eboué has ever been

    He was better than Fabregas today.

    lol!


    he spent the whole day running around after him

    the only good work he did was defensive work and he was non existent in the second half

    Anderson in the first half was the best player on the pitch, but in the second half he faded away, due to playing against 3 central midfielders with little help from Hargreaves, Ronaldo and Giggs.

    Fabregas was ok, but nothing special apart from scoring a goal - the same way Ronaldo scored a goal and got an assist, but was still poor. I still imagine the media will still hype him up because he scored a goal.
    Rez you've gone beyond taking the piss with this lot. Anderson was not the best on the pitch in any half, it was clearly Hleb in the 1st and pretty even between a few players in the second.

    Secondly you can't compare Ronaldo's performance to Cesc's at all. Ronaldo did two maybe three things all game whilst Cesc kept the tempo and played us out of defence throughout the game. No defence splitting passes today but still one of the players of the game.

    United were the better side in the first half and Anderson was our best player in the first half.

    Hleb played well in the first, but as Arsenals support striker, he didnt create any clear chances for himself or others?

    Fabregas was ok, he was better than Ronaldo was, but he certainly wasn't as good as you're making him out to be. Fabregas seems to be Arsenals Gerrard, no matter how he plays he is the fans MOTM.
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    Post by COTR Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:56 pm

    Almunia or VDS
    Neither had much to do
    Sagna or Brown
    brown probably
    Toure or Rio
    Neither defence was great
    Gallas or Vidic
    gallas
    Clichy or Evra
    evra despite the cheating
    Eboue or Ronaldo
    eboue but again neither great
    Fabregas or Anderson
    Arsenal were instigating the game so fabregas
    Flamini or Hargreaves
    who cares
    Rosicky or Giggs
    neither had an impact
    Hleb or Tevez
    Hleb was the best player on the pitch. Tevez was comfortably the worst
    Adebayor or Rooney
    Ade is always hit and miss. He could do with a partner to make him look a bit better. rooney did ok but I wasn't overly impressed

    Only really Hleb had a 'good' game today. It was a scrappy match


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    Post by Tweesus Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:56 pm

    Batman wrote:Which player do you think had the better game?

    Almunia or VDS
    Sagna or Brown
    Toure or Rio
    Gallas or Vidic
    Clichy or Evra
    Eboue or Ronaldo
    Fabregas or Anderson
    Flamini or Hargreaves
    Rosicky or Giggs
    Hleb or Tevez
    Adebayor or Rooney

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    Post by COTR Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:57 pm

    Rez wrote:

    United were the better side in the first half and Anderson was our best player in the first half.

    Hleb played well in the first, but as Arsenals support striker, he didnt create any clear chances for himself or others?

    Fabregas was ok, he was better than Ronaldo was, but he certainly wasn't as good as you're making him out to be. Fabregas seems to be Arsenals Gerrard, no matter how he plays he is the fans MOTM.

    Doh


    ridiculous

    you constantly slate us for anti football and are now saying united were the better side even though they parked the bus and hoofed balls up front through the entire first half
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    Post by Machiavel Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:58 pm

    Tweedle wrote:
    Batman wrote:Which player do you think had the better game?

    Almunia or VDS
    Sagna or Brown
    Toure or Rio
    Gallas or Vidic
    Clichy or Evra
    Eboue or Ronaldo
    Fabregas or Anderson
    Flamini or Hargreaves
    Rosicky or Giggs
    Hleb or Tevez
    Adebayor or Rooney

    Bolded

    Respect to Wenger for his positive comments on Manchester United , people in the media should take notes from him ok
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    Post by Rez Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:58 pm

    Agooner wrote:Typical manu performance against us; sit deep, play it long and hope for a flukey goal.

    It reminded of bolton. To be fair to bolton they don't play that kind of stuff anymore.

    Ronaldos goal and Rooneys header were probably the two best moves of the match.

    Your second goal however was just like a Bolton goal Biggrin
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    Post by The Pröfessör Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:58 pm

    Raifael wrote:
    Agooner wrote:
    Raifael wrote:
    Agooner wrote:Typical manu performance against us; sit deep, play it long and hope for a flukey goal.

    It reminded of bolton. To be fair to bolton they don't play that kind of stuff anymore.

    Well if you think this you should also think Man United respect Arsenal way of playing ..

    You should be happy Arsenal got 1 point from the Champions.

    no i am gutted we didn't win

    What about your Title Credentials ?

    I remember saying just a few games into the season that we have as much chance of winning the league as anyone in the top 4. I was laughed at by saints.
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    Post by Tweesus Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:58 pm

    COTR wrote:

    Only really Hleb had a 'good' game today. It was a scrappy match

    Rooney, Hargreaves, Hleb and Gallas were the best players for me
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    Post by The Pröfessör Sat Nov 03, 2007 4:00 pm

    Rez wrote:
    Agooner wrote:Typical manu performance against us; sit deep, play it long and hope for a flukey goal.

    It reminded of bolton. To be fair to bolton they don't play that kind of stuff anymore.

    Ronaldos goal and Rooneys header were probably the two best moves of the match.

    Your second goal however was just like a Bolton goal Biggrin

    Almost all your chances came from long balls played from deep.
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    Post by Rosy Sat Nov 03, 2007 4:02 pm

    COTR wrote:
    Rez wrote:

    United were the better side in the first half and Anderson was our best player in the first half.

    Hleb played well in the first, but as Arsenals support striker, he didnt create any clear chances for himself or others?

    Fabregas was ok, he was better than Ronaldo was, but he certainly wasn't as good as you're making him out to be. Fabregas seems to be Arsenals Gerrard, no matter how he plays he is the fans MOTM.

    Doh


    ridiculous

    you constantly slate us for anti football and are now saying united were the better side even though they parked the bus and hoofed balls up front through the entire first half

    I have to agree. In the first half Man U played virtually no midfield, playing 7 at the back, and hoofed the ball to the three up front hoping for a breakaway. As a tactic it worked but only because the penalty wasn't given. Might have been a very different first half if that had been given (and scored - not a certainty with Arsenal)
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    Post by Machiavel Sat Nov 03, 2007 4:03 pm

    Agooner wrote:
    Raifael wrote:
    Agooner wrote:
    Raifael wrote:
    Agooner wrote:Typical manu performance against us; sit deep, play it long and hope for a flukey goal.

    It reminded of bolton. To be fair to bolton they don't play that kind of stuff anymore.

    Well if you think this you should also think Man United respect Arsenal way of playing ..

    You should be happy Arsenal got 1 point from the Champions.

    no i am gutted we didn't win

    What about your Title Credentials ?

    I remember saying just a few games into the season that we have as much chance of winning the league as anyone in the top 4. I was laughed at by saints.

    I said Chelsea or Man United before the season but i didn't completely rule out Arsenal (outside shot) as long as you have van Persie you have a chance .. I want to see Arsenal have a blip , then we see if they are Championship material. I know SAF is disappointed after the game today and rightfully so but Man United can now go on a run the important players are playing well and returning.
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    Post by Rosy Sat Nov 03, 2007 4:04 pm

    Agooner wrote:
    Raifael wrote:
    Agooner wrote:
    Raifael wrote:
    Agooner wrote:Typical manu performance against us; sit deep, play it long and hope for a flukey goal.

    It reminded of bolton. To be fair to bolton they don't play that kind of stuff anymore.

    Well if you think this you should also think Man United respect Arsenal way of playing ..

    You should be happy Arsenal got 1 point from the Champions.

    no i am gutted we didn't win

    What about your Title Credentials ?

    I remember saying just a few games into the season that we have as much chance of winning the league as anyone in the top 4. I was laughed at by saints.

    so long as you don't laugh at him. That gets him very mad! Evil or Very Mad
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    Post by shazlx Sat Nov 03, 2007 4:05 pm

    Agooner wrote:
    Rez wrote:
    Agooner wrote:Typical manu performance against us; sit deep, play it long and hope for a flukey goal.

    It reminded of bolton. To be fair to bolton they don't play that kind of stuff anymore.

    Ronaldos goal and Rooneys header were probably the two best moves of the match.

    Your second goal however was just like a Bolton goal Biggrin

    Almost all your chances came from long balls played from deep.
    ok
    To be fair its our weakness so they have to use any weapon they've got.
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    Post by Hlebagone Sat Nov 03, 2007 4:05 pm

    Rez wrote:
    Agooner wrote:Typical manu performance against us; sit deep, play it long and hope for a flukey goal.

    It reminded of bolton. To be fair to bolton they don't play that kind of stuff anymore.

    Ronaldos goal and Rooneys header were probably the two best moves of the match.

    Your second goal however was just like a Bolton goal Biggrin

    No, it was on the break. The same style that all of your chances came from.
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    Post by Rosy Sat Nov 03, 2007 4:06 pm

    Raifael wrote:
    Agooner wrote:
    Raifael wrote:
    Agooner wrote:
    Raifael wrote:
    Agooner wrote:Typical manu performance against us; sit deep, play it long and hope for a flukey goal.

    It reminded of bolton. To be fair to bolton they don't play that kind of stuff anymore.

    Well if you think this you should also think Man United respect Arsenal way of playing ..

    You should be happy Arsenal got 1 point from the Champions.

    no i am gutted we didn't win

    What about your Title Credentials ?

    I remember saying just a few games into the season that we have as much chance of winning the league as anyone in the top 4. I was laughed at by saints.

    I said Chelsea or Man United before the season but i didn't completely rule out Arsenal (outside shot) as long as you have van Persie you have a chance .. I want to see Arsenal have a blip , then we see if they are Championship material. I know SAF is disappointed after the game today and rightfully so but Man United can now go on a run the important players are playing well and returning.

    SAF was moaning away on the touchline again. I don't know why. They were all sound decisions from the ref.
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    Post by Batman Sat Nov 03, 2007 4:06 pm

    Rosy wrote:
    COTR wrote:
    Rez wrote:

    United were the better side in the first half and Anderson was our best player in the first half.

    Hleb played well in the first, but as Arsenals support striker, he didnt create any clear chances for himself or others?

    Fabregas was ok, he was better than Ronaldo was, but he certainly wasn't as good as you're making him out to be. Fabregas seems to be Arsenals Gerrard, no matter how he plays he is the fans MOTM.

    Doh


    ridiculous

    you constantly slate us for anti football and are now saying united were the better side even though they parked the bus and hoofed balls up front through the entire first half

    I have to agree. In the first half Man U played virtually no midfield, playing 7 at the back, and hoofed the ball to the three up front hoping for a breakaway. As a tactic it worked but only because the penalty wasn't given. Might have been a very different first half if that had been given (and scored - not a certainty with Arsenal)

    So playing counter attacking football = parking the bus now?

    Arsenal were always going to more of the ball because they were playing 4-5-1. But i don't think they were better than us.

    If SAF wanted to play defensive football, like Liverppol, then he wouldn't have started with Anderson.
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    Post by COTR Sat Nov 03, 2007 4:07 pm

    Batman wrote:
    Rosy wrote:
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    Rez wrote:

    United were the better side in the first half and Anderson was our best player in the first half.

    Hleb played well in the first, but as Arsenals support striker, he didnt create any clear chances for himself or others?

    Fabregas was ok, he was better than Ronaldo was, but he certainly wasn't as good as you're making him out to be. Fabregas seems to be Arsenals Gerrard, no matter how he plays he is the fans MOTM.

    Doh


    ridiculous

    you constantly slate us for anti football and are now saying united were the better side even though they parked the bus and hoofed balls up front through the entire first half

    I have to agree. In the first half Man U played virtually no midfield, playing 7 at the back, and hoofed the ball to the three up front hoping for a breakaway. As a tactic it worked but only because the penalty wasn't given. Might have been a very different first half if that had been given (and scored - not a certainty with Arsenal)

    So playing counter attacking football = parking the bus now?

    Arsenal were always going to more of the ball because they were playing 4-5-1. But i don't think they were better than us.

    If SAF wanted to play defensive football, like Liverppol, then he wouldn't have started with Anderson.

    As I said earlier

    it's one rule for united... and another for liverpool
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    Post by shazlx Sat Nov 03, 2007 4:07 pm

    Agooner wrote:
    Raifael wrote:
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    Agooner wrote:Typical manu performance against us; sit deep, play it long and hope for a flukey goal.

    It reminded of bolton. To be fair to bolton they don't play that kind of stuff anymore.

    Well if you think this you should also think Man United respect Arsenal way of playing ..

    You should be happy Arsenal got 1 point from the Champions.

    no i am gutted we didn't win

    What about your Title Credentials ?

    I remember saying just a few games into the season that we have as much chance of winning the league as anyone in the top 4. I was laughed at by saints.
    Well Saints once insisted Caragher was a better passer than Terry silent .
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    Post by Rez Sat Nov 03, 2007 4:08 pm

    Batman wrote:Which player do you think had the better game?

    Almunia or VDS

    None of them made any mistakes or outstanding saves.

    Sagna or Brown

    They both played ok

    Toure or Rio

    Toure there was nothing he could do about Uniteds goals, where as Rio probably could have done more for Arsenals goal.

    Gallas or Vidic

    Made up for punching the ball into his net, with a goal.

    Clichy or Evra

    Evra was one of the better players on the pitch.

    Eboue or Ronaldo

    Ronaldo didn't play well but had more of an influence on the game than any other player.

    Fabregas or Anderson

    Was excellent in the first half.

    Flamini or Hargreaves

    Wasnt that impressed with Hargreaves performance and Flamini made some good tackles

    Rosicky or Giggs

    both anonymous

    Hleb or Tevez

    Hleb played well, Tevez was poor.

    Adebayor or Rooney

    I thought Rooney was excellent and overall was our best player, the white Pele is showing why he is destined for greatness.


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