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    Post by Batman Thu Jan 03, 2008 12:46 pm

    Long before he decided on the inspirational idea of playing one up front against Wigan at home, Rafa had made a series of baffling decisions in seven other games. It's just so frustrating...


    Portsmouth 0 Liverpool 0 (September 15)
    Having hit Derby for six in their last match - with Fernando Torres scoring twice - Rafa thought it was perfectly sensible to partner Peter Crouch (in his first start of the season) and Andriy Voronin at Portsmouth and leave Steven Gerrard and Torres on the bench in preparation for their Champions League tie with Porto three days later. Funnily enough, this less-than-dangerous strikeforce failed to trouble Sol Campbell and Sylvain Distin, who really are rather good, and only Jose Reina saved them from defeat.


    Liverpool 0 Birmingham 0 (September 22)
    Not deterred by the failure of a Torres-less Liverpool to break down Portsmouth, Rafa left him on the bench again and paired perennial trier Dirk Kuyt and Voronin in attack. A ten-man Birmingham defence snuffed out the Reds' attack and Benitez once again failed to get the better of master tactician Steve Bruce. That Torres then played in the Carling Cup - and destroyed - Reading a few days later, only made it hurt more.


    Liverpool 1 Arsenal 1 (October 28.)
    After buying Yossi Benayoun and Ryan Babel in the summer to add some much-needed width, Rafa did not have the balls to actually play them in big games. Instead, he opted for a Chelsea-like formation with Stevie G, Javier Mascherano and Xabi Alonso in a midfield three in an attempt to snuff out Cesc Fabregas. This left Kuyt and Voronin on the flanks - offering a great deal of effort but very little guile. They scored first and tried to hang on. But failed.


    Blackburn 0 Liverpool 0 (November 3)

    Without the injured Torres, but instead of partnering Kuyt with Crouch (which had proved an effective pairing last season), Rafa pushed Gerrard up alongside Kuyt - leaving a less-than-creative central midfield partnership of Mascherano and Momo Sissoko - and the result was a ridiculous lack of danger to the Rovers defence until Crouch was finally sent on from the bench with 18 minutes left on the clock. They proceeded to create more chances in 18 minutes than they had in 72 minutes, but the change had come too late.


    Reading 3 Liverpool 1 (December 8.)
    Having spanked Bolton 4-0 the week before using the width of Benayoun, Harry Kewell and Babel, Benitez changed back to the 4-3-3 formation of the Arsenal game and once again it backfired. This time it was a combination of Voronin, Torres and Crouch who lined up as Kuyt was rested ahead of the must-win game against Marseille. Also rested was Sami Hyypia (to be replaced by rookie Jack Hobbs) as Rafa made it clear where the club's priorities lay.


    Liverpool 0 Manchester United 1 (December 16)

    Manchester United did a classic job on Liverpool as they were happy to give the home side the ball in the knowledge that they had little idea of how to break down the best defence in the Premier League. For some reason, Rafa persisted with Harry Kewell ahead of the impressive Babel and for all of Liverpool's huffing and puffing (including some impressive yapping from the Dutch golden retriever) they could not react to Carlos Tevez's goal. Once again they only really started to crank up the pace at the 73rd-minute stage when Crouch came belatedly from the bench.


    Man City 0 Liverpool 0 (December 30)
    Yes, City payed in a 4-6-0 formation, but they were helped by Liverpool's refusal to show any real ambition until the final ten minutes. Once again, Kewell played ahead of Babel, and it was only when the Dutchman came off the bench that the Reds began to show any urgency. Once again, just waiting for Stevie G to hit a screamer proved to be a less-than-inspired tactic.


    Liverpool 1 Wigan 1 (January 2)
    It's a game that Rafa admits that Liverpool 'must win'. So what does he do? Play Torres as a lone striker of course and rely on Gerrard to join him from a three-man midfield that also includes stopper Mascherano, of course. At home to Wigan. Torres does his bit with a goal, Liverpool completely fail to turn the screw and Titus Bramble (of all people) scores an equaliser. Rafa waits until six minutes before the end to throw on Crouch, the freshest member of the Liverpool squad after a three-match ban. We don't even have to tell you that Kewell played.


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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Thu Jan 03, 2008 1:01 pm

    Ah well, at least the death count was low, wasn't it Luis ? Smiley
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    Post by Dwarf Thu Jan 03, 2008 1:39 pm

    Batman wrote:

    Liverpool 0 Manchester United 1 (December 16)

    Manchester United did a classic job on Liverpool as they were happy to give the home side the ball in the knowledge that they had little idea of how to break down the best defence in the Premier League. For some reason, Rafa persisted with Harry Kewell ahead of the impressive Babel and for all of Liverpool's huffing and puffing (including some impressive yapping from the Dutch golden retriever) they could not react to Carlos Tevez's goal. Once again they only really started to crank up the pace at the 73rd-minute stage when Crouch came belatedly from the bench.


    Man City 0 Liverpool 0 (December 30)
    Yes, City payed in a 4-6-0 formation, but they were helped by Liverpool's refusal to show any real ambition until the final ten minutes. Once again, Kewell played ahead of Babel, and it was only when the Dutchman came off the bench that the Reds began to show any urgency. Once again, just waiting for Stevie G to hit a screamer proved to be a less-than-inspired tactic.

    Liverpool 1 Wigan 1 (January 2)
    It's a game that Rafa admits that Liverpool 'must win'. So what does he do? Play Torres as a lone striker of course and rely on Gerrard to join him from a three-man midfield that also includes stopper Mascherano, of course. At home to Wigan. Torres does his bit with a goal, Liverpool completely fail to turn the screw and Titus Bramble (of all people) scores an equaliser. Rafa waits until six minutes before the end to throw on Crouch, the freshest member of the Liverpool squad after a three-match ban. We don't even have to tell you that Kewell played.

    Misses out the Chelsea game, but it all becomes clear by the end why that's the case.
    Castrating Benitez over his attacking play is far easier than explaining the actual reasons for them losing.

    How can a manager be criticised for expecting his side to score in the Man City game, when the two managers either side of him got the result they desire by playing in the same unadventurous way. Not one mention there of Liverpool being unable to convert set piece domination into goals yet again...
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    Post by Tweesus Thu Jan 03, 2008 1:40 pm

    Nest season will be their year Ale
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    Post by COTR Thu Jan 03, 2008 1:42 pm

    Tweedle wrote:Nest season will be their year Ale

    ok

    without a doubt
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    Post by Tweesus Thu Jan 03, 2008 1:46 pm

    COTR wrote:
    Tweedle wrote:Nest season will be their year Ale

    ok

    without a doubt

    Yep.

    All you need is a decent strike partner for Torres (since Kuyt has decided to retire (but continue to play)), a left winger and a back up centre back and you'll have a chance.

    Benitez should be sacked though. Or at least transfer responsibility should be taken away from home. He's wasted a lot of money on some very average players recently. You need quality now though.

    How much do you have to spend this January?
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    Post by Nightwing Thu Jan 03, 2008 1:46 pm

    Batman wrote:Long before he decided on the inspirational idea of playing one up front against Wigan at home, Rafa had made a series of baffling decisions in seven other games. It's just so frustrating...


    Portsmouth 0 Liverpool 0 (September 15)
    Having hit Derby for six in their last match - with Fernando Torres scoring twice - Rafa thought it was perfectly sensible to partner Peter Crouch (in his first start of the season) and Andriy Voronin at Portsmouth and leave Steven Gerrard and Torres on the bench in preparation for their Champions League tie with Porto three days later. Funnily enough, this less-than-dangerous strikeforce failed to trouble Sol Campbell and Sylvain Distin, who really are rather good, and only Jose Reina saved them from defeat.


    Liverpool 0 Birmingham 0 (September 22)
    Not deterred by the failure of a Torres-less Liverpool to break down Portsmouth, Rafa left him on the bench again and paired perennial trier Dirk Kuyt and Voronin in attack. A ten-man Birmingham defence snuffed out the Reds' attack and Benitez once again failed to get the better of master tactician Steve Bruce. That Torres then played in the Carling Cup - and destroyed - Reading a few days later, only made it hurt more.


    Liverpool 1 Arsenal 1 (October 28.)
    After buying Yossi Benayoun and Ryan Babel in the summer to add some much-needed width, Rafa did not have the balls to actually play them in big games. Instead, he opted for a Chelsea-like formation with Stevie G, Javier Mascherano and Xabi Alonso in a midfield three in an attempt to snuff out Cesc Fabregas. This left Kuyt and Voronin on the flanks - offering a great deal of effort but very little guile. They scored first and tried to hang on. But failed.


    Blackburn 0 Liverpool 0 (November 3)

    Without the injured Torres, but instead of partnering Kuyt with Crouch (which had proved an effective pairing last season), Rafa pushed Gerrard up alongside Kuyt - leaving a less-than-creative central midfield partnership of Mascherano and Momo Sissoko - and the result was a ridiculous lack of danger to the Rovers defence until Crouch was finally sent on from the bench with 18 minutes left on the clock. They proceeded to create more chances in 18 minutes than they had in 72 minutes, but the change had come too late.


    Reading 3 Liverpool 1 (December 8.)
    Having spanked Bolton 4-0 the week before using the width of Benayoun, Harry Kewell and Babel, Benitez changed back to the 4-3-3 formation of the Arsenal game and once again it backfired. This time it was a combination of Voronin, Torres and Crouch who lined up as Kuyt was rested ahead of the must-win game against Marseille. Also rested was Sami Hyypia (to be replaced by rookie Jack Hobbs) as Rafa made it clear where the club's priorities lay.


    Liverpool 0 Manchester United 1 (December 16)

    Manchester United RAPED Liverpool as they were happy to give the home side the ball in the knowledge that they had little idea of how to break down the best defence in the Premier League. For some reason, Rafa persisted with Harry Kewell ahead of the impressive Babel and for all of Liverpool's huffing and puffing (including some impressive yapping from the Dutch golden retriever) they could not react to Carlos Tevez's goal. Once again they only really started to crank up the pace at the 73rd-minute stage when Crouch came belatedly from the bench.


    Man City 0 Liverpool 0 (December 30)
    Yes, City payed in a 4-6-0 formation, but they were helped by Liverpool's refusal to show any real ambition until the final ten minutes. Once again, Kewell played ahead of Babel, and it was only when the Dutchman came off the bench that the Reds began to show any urgency. Once again, just waiting for Stevie G to hit a screamer proved to be a less-than-inspired tactic.


    Liverpool 1 Wigan 1 (January 2)
    It's a game that Rafa admits that Liverpool 'must win'. So what does he do? Play Torres as a lone striker of course and rely on Gerrard to join him from a three-man midfield that also includes stopper Mascherano, of course. At home to Wigan. Torres does his bit with a goal, Liverpool completely fail to turn the screw and Titus Bramble (of all people) scores an equaliser. Rafa waits until six minutes before the end to throw on Crouch, the freshest member of the Liverpool squad after a three-match ban. We don't even have to tell you that Kewell played.


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    Post by Kimbo Thu Jan 03, 2008 1:46 pm

    It's times like this i wish Obi was still here. Sad
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    Post by Parks lives Thu Jan 03, 2008 1:46 pm

    Tweedle wrote:Nest season will be their year Ale


    July 2008 after signing another rubbish winger and replacing Crouch with someone even taller 'This is our year, I just know it'

    August 2008 after a couple of very encouraging wins 'This is the season we get number 19, Rafa is God'

    October 2008 after some dodgy results and some injuries 'A couple of setbacks but we'll be back, it's destiny after all. In Rafa we trust'

    December 2008 after being effectively out of the title race 'Never really thought we could actually win it, hopefully we'll just be closer by May and next season after some more signings will finally mount a challenge'

    February 2009 'Roll on next season' Rolling Eyes

    July 2009 'This is the year'
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    Post by Nightwing Thu Jan 03, 2008 1:47 pm

    COTR wrote:
    Tweedle wrote:Nest season will be their year Ale

    ok

    without a doubt

    Said that last season, and the season beofre that, and before that, and before that..... Whistle
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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Thu Jan 03, 2008 1:48 pm

    Parks lives wrote:
    Tweedle wrote:Nest season will be their year Ale


    July 2008 after signing another rubbish winger and replacing Crouch with someone even taller

    lol!
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    Post by tigerthesmurf Thu Jan 03, 2008 2:10 pm

    Tweedle wrote:Nest season will be their year Ale

    We get that every year Laughing
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    Post by lrdsucksgoats Thu Jan 03, 2008 4:08 pm

    Parks lives wrote:
    Tweedle wrote:Nest season will be their year Ale


    July 2008 after signing another rubbish winger and replacing Crouch with someone even taller 'This is our year, I just know it'

    August 2008 after a couple of very encouraging wins 'This is the season we get number 19, Rafa is God'

    October 2008 after some dodgy results and some injuries 'A couple of setbacks but we'll be back, it's destiny after all. In Rafa we trust'

    December 2008 after being effectively out of the title race 'Never really thought we could actually win it, hopefully we'll just be closer by May and next season after some more signings will finally mount a challenge'

    February 2009 'Roll on next season' Rolling Eyes

    July 2009 'This is the year'


    Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy


    So basically, it's down to Benitez not playing Crouch (a player I've banged on about for years), Torres (who I have no firm opinion on) and Babel (a player I've always spoke of optimistically) enough.

    Ergo, I know more than Benitez. Crouch is the closest thing Liverpool have to a natural partner for Torres, I've said that all season. Voronin has all the right elements to make a good striker but somehow seems to turn up only one game in ten. Kuyt can't control a football any better than Steven Gerrard, and plays in a position where it matters even more.

    If Benitez lasts until the summer, which he may not, then he's got some serious decisions to make. His signing of strikers and attacking midfielders has, to put it mildly, been wank. Central midfielders, defenders, keepers - all very good. But when it comes to the final third the guy doesn't seem to know what he's doing. Babel and Torres, finally, are players of the right sort of quality, but both are at least a season or two away from being world beaters. Morientes? Voronin? That Spanish winger they got in part-exchange for Owen? Pennant? Persisting with the crock Kewell? All bad decisions and poor signings. And there are more besides, when he hasn't even been there that long.


    It isn't just about failing to win the league - he's spent a small fortune and not even got that good a squad.
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    Post by Machiavel Thu Jan 03, 2008 4:13 pm

    1992

    Liverpool 18 League Titles , Hansen & Neal 8 League Winners Medals .. Manchester United FC 7 League Titles Ryan Giggs (LEGEND) 0 League Winners Medals


    2007

    Liverpool 18 League Titles , Hansen & Neal 8 League Winners Medals .. Manchester United FC 16 League Titles Ryan Giggs (LEGEND) 9 League Winners Medals

    Plus Giggs broke Neal's record of the most decorated player in English Football Ale Very Happy
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    Post by SuperMario Thu Jan 03, 2008 4:24 pm

    How Rafa Lost Liverpool The Title Hahahavj7

    Funny Mancs...
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    Post by Football Genius Thu Jan 03, 2008 4:31 pm

    Anas Al-Liby wrote:
    Parks lives wrote:
    Tweedle wrote:Nest season will be their year Ale


    July 2008 after signing another rubbish winger and replacing Crouch with someone even taller 'This is our year, I just know it'

    August 2008 after a couple of very encouraging wins 'This is the season we get number 19, Rafa is God'

    October 2008 after some dodgy results and some injuries 'A couple of setbacks but we'll be back, it's destiny after all. In Rafa we trust'

    December 2008 after being effectively out of the title race 'Never really thought we could actually win it, hopefully we'll just be closer by May and next season after some more signings will finally mount a challenge'

    February 2009 'Roll on next season' Rolling Eyes

    July 2009 'This is the year'


    Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy


    So basically, it's down to Benitez not playing Crouch (a player I've banged on about for years), Torres (who I have no firm opinion on) and Babel (a player I've always spoke of optimistically) enough.

    Ergo, I know more than Benitez. Crouch is the closest thing Liverpool have to a natural partner for Torres, I've said that all season. Voronin has all the right elements to make a good striker but somehow seems to turn up only one game in ten. Kuyt can't control a football any better than Steven Gerrard, and plays in a position where it matters even more.

    If Benitez lasts until the summer, which he may not, then he's got some serious decisions to make. His signing of strikers and attacking midfielders has, to put it mildly, been wank. Central midfielders, defenders, keepers - all very good. But when it comes to the final third the guy doesn't seem to know what he's doing. Babel and Torres, finally, are players of the right sort of quality, but both are at least a season or two away from being world beaters. Morientes? Voronin? That Spanish winger they got in part-exchange for Owen? Pennant? Persisting with the crock Kewell? All bad decisions and poor signings. And there are more besides, when he hasn't even been there that long.


    It isn't just about failing to win the league - he's spent a small fortune and not even got that good a squad.

    Not exactly rocket science is it, partially why i've been fustrated with Benitez since last summer.

    But still if we can bring in an effective technical manager, or attacking personnel behind the scenes this can all be tackled quite easily, but then some of the easy decisions have been made to look ridiculously difficult at times with Benitez.
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    Post by Roger Hunt Thu Jan 03, 2008 4:33 pm

    Anas Al-Liby wrote: So basically, it's down to Benitez not playing Crouch (a player I've banged on about for years), Torres (who I have no firm opinion on) and Babel (a player I've always spoke of optimistically) enough.

    Ergo, I know more than Benitez.

    Yeah, of course, and you've won La Liga and the CL more times to prove it.

    Oh no, wait a minute....
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    Post by Puro Thu Jan 03, 2008 4:33 pm

    Liverpool were doomed when they lost 'Mr. Irreplaceable Captain' for many games. Liverpool are a much improved team with their REAL inspirational captain playing with good match fitness. Without him, Liverpool forwards had no chance, without him, them forwards were left stranded in the Sahara.

    Liverpool will win again an EPL title when their central midfield situation is sorted. They have no substitute for Xabi Alonso, Liverpool's best player, the heart and soul of the team. Without him Liverpool can't win anything. Without any other player missing, Liverpool can still win things, but not without Xabi Alonso. <Ale>
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    Post by Parks lives Thu Jan 03, 2008 4:35 pm

    Alonso's a very good player but truth is, he was fairly poor last season when he was playing.
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    Post by Football Genius Thu Jan 03, 2008 4:36 pm

    Puro wrote:Liverpool were doomed when they lost 'Mr. Irreplaceable Captain' for many games. Liverpool are a much improved team with their REAL inspirational captain playing with good match fitness. Without him, Liverpool forwards had no chance, without him, them forwards were left stranded in the Sahara.

    Liverpool will win again an EPL title when their central midfield situation is sorted. They have no substitute for Xabi Alonso, Liverpool's best player, the heart and soul of the team. Without him Liverpool can't win anything. Without any other player missing, Liverpool can still win things, but not without Xabi Alonso. <Ale>

    Are you still here....

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    Post by Ä Thu Jan 03, 2008 4:38 pm

    @puro

    out of 10

    how highly do you rate Benitez now ?

    Very Happy
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    Post by lrdsucksgoats Thu Jan 03, 2008 4:40 pm

    Football Genius wrote:
    Not exactly rocket science is it, partially why i've been fustrated with Benitez since last summer.

    No, it's more like brain surgery.

    But still if we can bring in an effective technical manager, or attacking personnel behind the scenes this can all be tackled quite easily, but then some of the easy decisions have been made to look ridiculously difficult at times with Benitez.

    All these problems can be solved while keeping Benitez for his good qualities, you're right. What you need is someone to split with him the power of suggesting purchases to the board, because his transfer record is very hit and miss. You also need someone to coach the team more effectively when it comes to creating chances. So, a sporting director (not that the Yanks will have a clue what one of those is) and a coach.

    Again, not rocket science.
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    Post by Isco Benny Thu Jan 03, 2008 4:41 pm

    Puro wrote:Liverpool were doomed when they lost 'Mr. Irreplaceable Captain' for many games. Liverpool are a much improved team with their REAL inspirational captain playing with good match fitness. Without him, Liverpool forwards had no chance, without him, them forwards were left stranded in the Sahara.

    Liverpool will win again an EPL title when their central midfield situation is sorted. They have no substitute for Xabi Alonso, Liverpool's best player, the heart and soul of the team. Without him Liverpool can't win anything. Without any other player missing, Liverpool can still win things, but not without Xabi Alonso. <Ale>

    I saw your name as the last person to post on this thread, and the first thing I thought was "whats for betting his input will centre around the lines of blaming Gerrard and praising Xabi Alonso?".

    If only I could actually put money on your posts, I'd be a millionaire. Guaranteed payout everytime Biggrin <Ale>

    By the way- got to love your logic: Liverpool can win everything else without Alonso, but just not the league....

    yet in the past you've stated on numerous occassions that winning the EPL is EASIER and less important than winning the Champions League; and that Stevie G is an EPL class player only.

    So actually what you are saying is that Alonso is an important EPL player, and Stevie G is only good enough to help Liverpool win the Champions League, but the Champions League is harder to win than the EPL, so therefore Stevie G is actually more important than Alonso? Or vice versa?

    This has left me utterly utterly confounded <Ale>
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    Post by lrdsucksgoats Thu Jan 03, 2008 4:42 pm

    Roger Hunt wrote:
    Anas Al-Liby wrote: So basically, it's down to Benitez not playing Crouch (a player I've banged on about for years), Torres (who I have no firm opinion on) and Babel (a player I've always spoke of optimistically) enough.

    Ergo, I know more than Benitez.

    Yeah, of course, and you've won La Liga and the CL more times to prove it.

    Oh no, wait a minute....

    Knowing more and having found myself in the circumstances to prove it are two different things. I notice you go after the one silly statement in my post and ignore all the perfectly valid criticism. You might worship Benitez, but he has flaws just like any manager does.
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    Post by Football Genius Thu Jan 03, 2008 4:45 pm

    Anas Al-Liby wrote:
    Football Genius wrote:
    Not exactly rocket science is it, partially why i've been fustrated with Benitez since last summer.

    No, it's more like brain surgery.

    But still if we can bring in an effective technical manager, or attacking personnel behind the scenes this can all be tackled quite easily, but then some of the easy decisions have been made to look ridiculously difficult at times with Benitez.

    All these problems can be solved while keeping Benitez for his good qualities, you're right. What you need is someone to split with him the power of suggesting purchases to the board, because his transfer record is very hit and miss. You also need someone to coach the team more effectively when it comes to creating chances. So, a sporting director (not that the Yanks will have a clue what one of those is) and a coach.

    Again, not rocket science.

    To be honest, it doesn't help when you haven't got 'football men' owning / running the club. If i owned the club, i couldn't careless what Benitez had to say about bringing in some help arrogance will not win us the league the correct people in the right seats on the bus will, i would employ some help in the transfer market for him, and point to his failures and amount of money hes spent against the amount hes recouperated, and let that be the end of it, as a result i would then have more confidence in providing a larger injection of cash believing it would be utlilized far better.
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    Post by Roger Hunt Thu Jan 03, 2008 4:47 pm

    Anas Al-Liby wrote: Knowing more and having found myself in the circumstances to prove it are two different things. I notice you go after the one silly statement in my post and ignore all the perfectly valid criticism. You might worship Benitez, but he has flaws just like any manager does.

    Of course I go after the one silly statement in your post. Please don't pretend that you don't do exactly the same thing to most posters on here.

    I don't worship Benitez, he clearly has flaws. His record as a manager is pretty good though. All this 'sack Benitez' stuff is fine - but who would replace him? There's no-one I would strongly favour over him at the moment.
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    Post by Puro Thu Jan 03, 2008 4:48 pm

    36-0tto wrote:@puro

    out of 10

    how highly do you rate Benitez now ?

    Very Happy

    Right now he's not looking too good is he. Biggrin

    I hear Bayern want him really bad. How about that! The mightiest of the mightiest from the vaterland wanting the Spanish bloke. What's the world coming to! Biggrin <Ale>
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    Post by Football Genius Thu Jan 03, 2008 4:50 pm

    Roger Hunt wrote:
    Anas Al-Liby wrote: Knowing more and having found myself in the circumstances to prove it are two different things. I notice you go after the one silly statement in my post and ignore all the perfectly valid criticism. You might worship Benitez, but he has flaws just like any manager does.

    Of course I go after the one silly statement in your post. Please don't pretend that you don't do exactly the same thing to most posters on here.

    I don't worship Benitez, he clearly has flaws. His record as a manager is pretty good though. All this 'sack Benitez' stuff is fine - but who would replace him? There's no-one I would strongly favour over him at the moment.

    I don't see an awful lot of that from Liverpool fans to be fair, its more knee jerk reaction from other supporters ok
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    Post by Puro Thu Jan 03, 2008 4:52 pm

    Don Fabio wrote:
    Puro wrote:Liverpool were doomed when they lost 'Mr. Irreplaceable Captain' for many games. Liverpool are a much improved team with their REAL inspirational captain playing with good match fitness. Without him, Liverpool forwards had no chance, without him, them forwards were left stranded in the Sahara.

    Liverpool will win again an EPL title when their central midfield situation is sorted. They have no substitute for Xabi Alonso, Liverpool's best player, the heart and soul of the team. Without him Liverpool can't win anything. Without any other player missing, Liverpool can still win things, but not without Xabi Alonso. <Ale>

    I saw your name as the last person to post on this thread, and the first thing I thought was "whats for betting his input will centre around the lines of blaming Gerrard and praising Xabi Alonso?".

    If only I could actually put money on your posts, I'd be a millionaire. Guaranteed payout everytime Biggrin <Ale>

    By the way- got to love your logic: Liverpool can win everything else without Alonso, but just not the league....

    yet in the past you've stated on numerous occassions that winning the EPL is EASIER and less important than winning the Champions League; and that Stevie G is an EPL class player only.

    So actually what you are saying is that Alonso is an important EPL player, and Stevie G is only good enough to help Liverpool win the Champions League, but the Champions League is harder to win than the EPL, so therefore Stevie G is actually more important than Alonso? Or vice versa?

    This has left me utterly utterly confounded <Ale>

    You're confounded by anything and everything around you. I don't blame you though, it's gotta be them Johnny Foreigners like Otto. Biggrin <Ale>
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    Post by COTR Thu Jan 03, 2008 4:53 pm

    Puro wrote:
    Don Fabio wrote:
    Puro wrote:Liverpool were doomed when they lost 'Mr. Irreplaceable Captain' for many games. Liverpool are a much improved team with their REAL inspirational captain playing with good match fitness. Without him, Liverpool forwards had no chance, without him, them forwards were left stranded in the Sahara.

    Liverpool will win again an EPL title when their central midfield situation is sorted. They have no substitute for Xabi Alonso, Liverpool's best player, the heart and soul of the team. Without him Liverpool can't win anything. Without any other player missing, Liverpool can still win things, but not without Xabi Alonso. <Ale>

    I saw your name as the last person to post on this thread, and the first thing I thought was "whats for betting his input will centre around the lines of blaming Gerrard and praising Xabi Alonso?".

    If only I could actually put money on your posts, I'd be a millionaire. Guaranteed payout everytime Biggrin <Ale>

    By the way- got to love your logic: Liverpool can win everything else without Alonso, but just not the league....

    yet in the past you've stated on numerous occassions that winning the EPL is EASIER and less important than winning the Champions League; and that Stevie G is an EPL class player only.

    So actually what you are saying is that Alonso is an important EPL player, and Stevie G is only good enough to help Liverpool win the Champions League, but the Champions League is harder to win than the EPL, so therefore Stevie G is actually more important than Alonso? Or vice versa?

    This has left me utterly utterly confounded <Ale>

    You're confounded by anything and everything around you. I don't blame you though, it's gotta be them Johnny Foreigners like Otto. Biggrin <Ale>
    Nice way to ignore being Pwned puro mate

    Biggrin

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