How Rafa Lost Liverpool The Title

110% wrote:

L r d wrote:Yes but now get some reality in your idiotic mind and realise their fighting for 4th place not 1st.

I think we have easier fixtures than Liverpool also, so they will do well to keep the gap to 10 points

seems like you caught spanky's disease off him,
they're = they are

can't discuss anything without insults? I do not realise the points were already decided, why do we even bother to play then? since you've got easier fixtures how about we just give you 12 points for the next 5 games and liverpool 10. Are arsenal's fixtures easier? if so maybe we can give them 14 points. What about chelsea? No need to play we can just decide on paper, I'm guessing by the end of the season arsenal are the winners. Well done arsenal, when's the victory parade?

Is your brain able to understand that what has happened in past seasons is an indicator but that the future is not yet decided? that liverpool have much less chance of winning the league but still have one, that you still have to play all the games even if they look easier, while playing in the CL, you can get injuries, tiredness (your excuse right there for losing to Milan last year, and kaka being the best player in the world), luck etc.

Chelsea and arsenal have a couple of players missing for the african nations, could even come back injured. Manu could get an injury to rooney or cronaldo. Liverpool could fluke a last minute set-piece at old trafford, equally liverpool could get injuries and end up 5th etc. So there is a long way to go and not one thing is decided right now. Do you remember being really far behind newcastle and winning the league? or were you fighting for second place then?

Can your idiotic mind understand this?

L r d wrote:My mind has said Liverpool wouldn't come close, yours the oppisite what is happenening? did you say the same thing last year? yep so did i what happenend?

Load of mumbo jumbo, Liverpool have never come from that far behind, it would be catching 10+ points on 2 teams not one, they have an inferior team unlike in the other scenario's they have the more difficult fixtures, and as usual you will be proven wrong and me right Keep picking up on minor typos or grammar mistakes on an forum ffs, maybe the only thing you will get right moron

Luis wrote:Can I just point out that Rafa didn't 'lose us the league title' as the thread suggests. We never had the league title and we certainly had no divine right to win it this year. Rafa alone isn't to blame for putting us out the title race for this season. It was a joint effort from his decisions on a few occasions, the wanker owners who know nothing about football, transfers etc and come to England for 2 games a season (some passion that) and finally the following players: Riise, Kewell, Pennant, Alonso, Kuyt, Sissoko, Voronin and even Crouch on a few occasions.

L r d wrote:Spouted a load of ill-thought-out cliche, it's why he's the head of the redbloods

Allez les rouges wrote:I don't really want to get involved in this, though it seems to me that one should have a firmer grasp of punctuation and what, for instance, a comma is for before ridiculing another's (lack of) literacy. Besides, this "I'm not English" schtick without stating your own loyalties, even when you often object to all sorts of criticism of England or, say, Liverpool, is a bit perplexing...

The fact remains that the original post was startlingly rude and patronising, and a little puzzling: as much as I'd like Liverpool of all the other "big" teams to still be in the title hunt, it's reasonable for many to have concluded that they've lost so much ground now that the title is a near-impossibility. There's no need to insult this view, even if it's provocatively phrased, as in the title of this thread – as if everyone is stupid for thinking that Liverpool have blown it, while you alone are enlightened for saying "anything can happen and it isn't over yet", scarcely a profound observation itself.

It's true that the media have a tendency to react hastily with their judgements and predictions, as with the perception that United were overwhelming favourites for the title once Arsenal "only" drew at Portsmouth; predictably, once United lost and Arsenal won next time around, things no longer seemed quite so straightforward. But it's reasonable to discuss Benítez's approach and tactics in the light of the way Liverpool have undeniably stagnated in the league (although I for one still think he's a top, top manager), and this thread has seen some very decent debate on the matter.

There's no need to ridicule the fact that people see fit to question Benítez after the club's recent investments and Liverpool's recent indifferent performances in the Premier League: it's pretty obvious to most people.

110% wrote:sorry I was away over xmas so I didn't realise someone had won the league. I was pretty shocked, but I cannot find any information on the internet about it, which I find very disturbing!! So who won??

Also I have seen that luis seems to be very depressed these days. So for him I would say that he should remember that a team at the bottom at xmas always gets relegated, except of course when they don't (like west brom). And a team 13 points back at xmas doesn't win the league except of course when they do.

That is the beauty of football.

110% wrote:

L r d wrote:My mind has said Liverpool wouldn't come close, yours the oppisite what is happenening? did you say the same thing last year? yep so did i what happenend?

Load of mumbo jumbo, Liverpool have never come from that far behind, it would be catching 10+ points on 2 teams not one, they have an inferior team unlike in the other scenario's they have the more difficult fixtures, and as usual you will be proven wrong and me right Keep picking up on minor typos or grammar mistakes on an forum ffs, maybe the only thing you will get right moron

You're getting better at least, some reasoning in this post. They also have Chelsea, although they are not 10 points in front.

I pointed out the spelling mistake just because it's comical that some guy calls another one idiot and moron but cannot tell the difference between "they're" and "their", especially when you're English and I'm not (I'll be one of those foreigners you'll be complaining about taking your job if I ever come to England for being better educated than you and speaking your own language better , that's if you actually have a job).

I'm afraid I pointed out far more than grammar mistakes, just because you cannot understand when things are pointed out to you such as it not only being about easier fixtures and you having the "best" players in the world such as cronaldo, anderson (1 and 2 weren't they in recent awards, and motm in every match they play ) etc, that injuries, luck, fixture congestion with the CL, etc, come into it. And that's the beauty of football – you really don't know what can happen.

Anyway if liverpool don't win the league this season, I won't be wrong, as I haven't said they will above. What I was pointing out to luis was not to be too depressed, because it is not actually a fact that teams 13 points behind don't win the league; it just hasn't happened yet (the same as the bottom at xmas was only true until west brom showed it wasn't)

I would like as many teams as possible competing at the top until the end of the season to keep it interesting. I don't want manu and arsenal having a 2-horse race again, as it's boring. The best thing to happen next would be for both manu and arsenal to lose a couple of games so that chelsea, liverpool and man city can catch up.

Roger Hunt wrote:The counter-argument is that Benitez bought most of them and it's his job to motivate them - which is pretty reasonable imo.

He needs to replace Pako.

Roger Hunt wrote:
But I do think that Rafa cannot escape some blame for the inconsistency we've demonstrated in our performances. Rotate the players - fine; change formations - fine. But if you do both you run the risk of the players being confused as to their roles and not performing to their best.

Anas Al-Liby wrote:

Roger Hunt wrote:
But I do think that Rafa cannot escape some blame for the inconsistency we've demonstrated in our performances. Rotate the players - fine; change formations - fine. But if you do both you run the risk of the players being confused as to their roles and not performing to their best.

Or even if the players aren't confused as to their own roles - it gives them no time to form proper partnerships on the field so the overall tactical plan will just be the sum of its parts.

Roger Hunt wrote:It's certainly the case that restricted funds have prevented Rafa buying the players he wanted - the two most obvious examples I can think of are Vidic and Malouda.

Your point about Babel is well-made too. He is a young developing player. To spend £12m on a player like that is a risk but can pay off; however he's highly unlikely to make a big impact in his first season.

I'm not so surprised about Bellamy - I thought that we got him pretty cheaply and strikers go for more money than other players.

I also think you're right about the Wigan result - but that is only one game.

But I do think that Rafa cannot escape some blame for the inconsistency we've demonstrated in our performances. Rotate the players - fine; change formations - fine. But if you do both you run the risk of the players being confused as to their roles and not performing to their best.

King Otto wrote:

Roger Hunt wrote:It's certainly the case that restricted funds have prevented Rafa buying the players he wanted - the two most obvious examples I can think of are Vidic and Malouda.

Your point about Babel is well-made too. He is a young developing player. To spend £12m on a player like that is a risk but can pay off; however he's highly unlikely to make a big impact in his first season.

I'm not so surprised about Bellamy - I thought that we got him pretty cheaply and strikers go for more money than other players.

I also think you're right about the Wigan result - but that is only one game.

But I do think that Rafa cannot escape some blame for the inconsistency we've demonstrated in our performances. Rotate the players - fine; change formations - fine. But if you do both you run the risk of the players being confused as to their roles and not performing to their best.

See how far you'd get with Arsenal's 'restricted funds'. This really is a very weak argument from Liverpool supporters.

110% wrote:As I said I was only taking the piss because lrd called me stupid and then can't tell the difference between they're and their. Also he has a thing about foreigners in England taking their jobs (part of another thread), and actually just goes around insulting me. I pointed out to him the foreigners are doing the the jobs that the English are too lazy, or not qualified to do (so that was that part of the post).

L r d wrote:

110% wrote:As I said I was only taking the piss because lrd called me stupid and then can't tell the difference between they're and their. Also he has a thing about foreigners in England taking their jobs (part of another thread), and actually just goes around insulting me. I pointed out to him the foreigners are doing the the jobs that the English are too lazy, or not qualified to do (so that was that part of the post).

Yo dumbass you see what happenend this weekend, i guess you still think it's on!

I can tell the difference between.....i just type quick and mistakes happen. To point them out obviously is a sign of desperation on your part. I don't have a thing about foreigners taking jobs....i have a problem with to many immigrants. They actually do jobs a dunce could do so being qualified is not an issue. Anyway back to your bullshit. Have you ever been right in your time here 110% i cant think of one fucking time. I'll even write off the incidents where you have been arguing a case or point where you didn't even see the damn game. You lie about everything and get the rest wrong. Such a pointless irrevlent individual.
On the insults don't give what you cant take, ignorant moron.

As i said more difficult fixtures with an inferior team means the gap will probably be increased. This week it's increased a bit already. You keep wondering why luis etc are depressed about the league table. Have a good think about that one it might come to you eventually. I expect you will be talking the same shite next year, if im here i'll call you stupid then too. and you will be miles wrong as per usual. Dumbass

Dark Savante wrote:I you compare money spent by United from 1990 and by Liverpool it is not much of difference ,can anybody find the stats please.

Ade Alves wrote:

King Otto wrote:

Roger Hunt wrote:It's certainly the case that restricted funds have prevented Rafa buying the players he wanted - the two most obvious examples I can think of are Vidic and Malouda.

Your point about Babel is well-made too. He is a young developing player. To spend £12m on a player like that is a risk but can pay off; however he's highly unlikely to make a big impact in his first season.

I'm not so surprised about Bellamy - I thought that we got him pretty cheaply and strikers go for more money than other players.

I also think you're right about the Wigan result - but that is only one game.

But I do think that Rafa cannot escape some blame for the inconsistency we've demonstrated in our performances. Rotate the players - fine; change formations - fine. But if you do both you run the risk of the players being confused as to their roles and not performing to their best.

See how far you'd get with Arsenal's 'restricted funds'. This really is a very weak argument from Liverpool supporters.

Its a rather weak counter argument

But we don't have a youth set up like that of Aresnal, not many do but it is improving and we are doing very well in our reserves, u18s and htroughtout the academy in general. Thus we must spend. Also your manager has a strong belief in his younger players ands giving them a chance. Rafa as we have seen, even with expensive youn signings such as Babel is very cautious. Maybe this will prove to be a good thing only time will tell.

But lets not forget it took at least a couple of years for Wenger's youth to come of age if you will. I don't remember many youths being brought in during his first few years at Aresnal. So I'm hopeful for Rafa and for our youth at the club.

110% wrote:

L r d wrote:Yes but now get some reality in your idiotic mind and realise they're fighting for 4th place not 1st.

I think we have easier fixtures than Liverpool also, so they will do well to keep the gap to 10 points

can't discuss anything without insults? i didn't realise that the points were already decided, why do we even bother to play then? since you've got easier fixtures how about we just give you 12 points for the next 5 games and liverpool 10. Are arsenal's fixtures easier? if so maybe we can give them 14 points. What about chelsea? No need to play we can just decide on paper, I'm guessing by the end of the season arsenal are the winners. Well done arsenal, when's the victory parade?