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    Post by Black Magic Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:41 pm

    supermadrid wrote:
    BM wrote:How did the neutrals see the game entertainment wise? I thought the second half was really good, very fast paced.

    I thought i was a fine match and nowadays it is what we call an entertaining game in the Cl. it was ok but there was only one big chance in the game and that was the one Ade missed in the end. good pace at times but i dont think that is entertaning unless we also get some chances and we didnt. kaka/seedorf/pato did little but that was also because they were too defensive. that is the problem when you have both ambrosini and gattuso in midfield. milan should have tried more but they did well to control the tempo when it got a bit to high for them. Arsenal were better then milan but not good enough to deserve a win imo.

    16 shots to 3. What more do you want?

    Didn't you say yesterday that Madrid deserved to draw against Roma? Because they had more possession.
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    Post by SuperMario Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:42 pm

    Sir Les wrote:
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    Hlebtastic wrote:Rosicky will be back for the 2nd leg. Our left side will be stronger with him there.
    For sure eduardo from the left makes no sense whatsoever. He tried the same thing with RVP for a while, who also played shite in that role.

    Still don't like Eboue as RM/right winger though. Clueless idiot

    I may have forgotten but can't remember a really dangerous cross until Walcott came on after 89 mins.
    exactly. I don't mind Clichy and Sagna not being good crossers (they should practise of course, they're damn good defenders), but at least the players ahead of them should be able to do it. Eboue also makes a lot of wrong decisions during our passing game.
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    Post by shazlx Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:42 pm

    Tweedle wrote:
    shazlx wrote:
    I think we will win. I just don't believe Milan will score without us having chances. If Ronaldo was fit then I would be worried. Pato's pace is nothing for a PL team and nor are the (high) crosses from the FBs. Its good that Kaka has only 1 great pass (through ball), he can't cross or spead wide which means he must go through the middle. Flamini, Gallas and hopefully a fully fit Toure can handle his pace. Milan play a very high line at home. I hope they continue with this policy.

    Well we all saw what Milan did to Utd last season. They have the ability to completely turn it on.

    IMO we have a chance of getting a draw there but they're definately the favourites now.
    ManU's midfield didn't have Flamini (or Cesc for that matter). He is the real deal now. There's no way Seedorf (Milan's best player) will have the opportunity to run the show like he did last season - unless of course if Flamini is injured.
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    Post by SuperMario Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:43 pm

    Red n' Black wrote:I think it's 50-50 TBH.

    0-0 is a tricky result.
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    Post by Black Magic Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:43 pm

    Tweedle wrote:
    shazlx wrote:
    I think we will win. I just don't believe Milan will score without us having chances. If Ronaldo was fit then I would be worried. Pato's pace is nothing for a PL team and nor are the (high) crosses from the FBs. Its good that Kaka has only 1 great pass (through ball), he can't cross or spead wide which means he must go through the middle. Flamini, Gallas and hopefully a fully fit Toure can handle his pace. Milan play a very high line at home. I hope they continue with this policy.

    Well we all saw what Milan did to Utd last season. They have the ability to completely turn it on.

    IMO we have a chance of getting a draw there but they're definately the favourites now.

    Pussy Wink

    Milan beat Man Utd because of horrible defending and marking. Had their first choice defence have been fit the game would have been much closer.
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    Post by shazlx Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:44 pm

    Rosicky wrote:A score draw sees us through. its not like we need to win.

    its far from over. what happened the last time we played at the san siro Wink
    Very Happy But there's no Henry to own Zanetti (who won't be there either).
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    Post by lrdsucksgoats Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:45 pm

    BM wrote:
    supermadrid wrote:Arsenal were better then milan but not good enough to deserve a win imo.

    16 shots to 3. What more do you want?

    By this reckoning Lampard>Pirlo...
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    Post by shazlx Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:45 pm

    BM wrote:
    Tweedle wrote:
    shazlx wrote:
    I think we will win. I just don't believe Milan will score without us having chances. If Ronaldo was fit then I would be worried. Pato's pace is nothing for a PL team and nor are the (high) crosses from the FBs. Its good that Kaka has only 1 great pass (through ball), he can't cross or spead wide which means he must go through the middle. Flamini, Gallas and hopefully a fully fit Toure can handle his pace. Milan play a very high line at home. I hope they continue with this policy.

    Well we all saw what Milan did to Utd last season. They have the ability to completely turn it on.

    IMO we have a chance of getting a draw there but they're definately the favourites now.

    Pussy Wink

    Milan beat Man Utd because of horrible defending and marking. Had their first choice defence have been fit the game would have been much closer.
    ok Plus they needed energy in midfield.
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    Post by L.r.d Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:45 pm

    Saw the highlights and the last 2 minutes, Adebayor what a miss! that there went Arsenal's chances i thought. Maybe he will be determined to make up for it, but 1-0 would have been perfect. Now Milan are big favourites.
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    Post by Super Progress Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:46 pm

    BM wrote:
    supermadrid wrote:
    BM wrote:How did the neutrals see the game entertainment wise? I thought the second half was really good, very fast paced.

    I thought i was a fine match and nowadays it is what we call an entertaining game in the Cl. it was ok but there was only one big chance in the game and that was the one Ade missed in the end. good pace at times but i dont think that is entertaning unless we also get some chances and we didnt. kaka/seedorf/pato did little but that was also because they were too defensive. that is the problem when you have both ambrosini and gattuso in midfield. milan should have tried more but they did well to control the tempo when it got a bit to high for them. Arsenal were better then milan but not good enough to deserve a win imo.

    16 shots to 3. What more do you want?

    Didn't you say yesterday that Madrid deserved to draw against Roma? Because they had more possession.
    im dont think that is what i said. also you have to remember there is a difference between being away like madrid were and playing at home as arsenal did. also arsenal created one big chance in the game but that was a huge one though.
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    Post by Black Magic Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:47 pm

    Fletcher>Fabregas wrote:
    BM wrote:
    supermadrid wrote:Arsenal were better then milan but not good enough to deserve a win imo.

    16 shots to 3. What more do you want?

    By this reckoning Lampard>Pirlo...

    Team comparisons are very different to player comparisons. Nice try. Very Happy

    It was all us mate, they didn't look they were going to score at all. We deserved to win.
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    Post by Black Magic Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:48 pm

    supermadrid wrote:
    BM wrote:
    supermadrid wrote:
    BM wrote:How did the neutrals see the game entertainment wise? I thought the second half was really good, very fast paced.

    I thought i was a fine match and nowadays it is what we call an entertaining game in the Cl. it was ok but there was only one big chance in the game and that was the one Ade missed in the end. good pace at times but i dont think that is entertaning unless we also get some chances and we didnt. kaka/seedorf/pato did little but that was also because they were too defensive. that is the problem when you have both ambrosini and gattuso in midfield. milan should have tried more but they did well to control the tempo when it got a bit to high for them. Arsenal were better then milan but not good enough to deserve a win imo.

    16 shots to 3. What more do you want?

    Didn't you say yesterday that Madrid deserved to draw against Roma? Because they had more possession.
    im dont think that is what i said. also you have to remember there is a difference between being away like madrid were and playing at home as arsenal did. also arsenal created one big chance in the game but that was a huge one though.

    One chance bigger than anything Madrid created last night. Smiley
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    Post by Tweesus Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:48 pm

    shazlx wrote:
    BM wrote:
    Tweedle wrote:
    shazlx wrote:
    I think we will win. I just don't believe Milan will score without us having chances. If Ronaldo was fit then I would be worried. Pato's pace is nothing for a PL team and nor are the (high) crosses from the FBs. Its good that Kaka has only 1 great pass (through ball), he can't cross or spead wide which means he must go through the middle. Flamini, Gallas and hopefully a fully fit Toure can handle his pace. Milan play a very high line at home. I hope they continue with this policy.

    Well we all saw what Milan did to Utd last season. They have the ability to completely turn it on.

    IMO we have a chance of getting a draw there but they're definately the favourites now.

    Pussy Wink

    Milan beat Man Utd because of horrible defending and marking. Had their first choice defence have been fit the game would have been much closer.
    ok Plus they needed energy in midfield.

    Milan will try and flood the centre of midfield. They know that's what our game is all about. IMO they have some dangerous full backs though and they're bound to opt for more attacking options at home.

    We'll see. If we get the result we need in Milan it'll be amazing Ale
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    Post by Super Progress Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:50 pm

    BM wrote:
    supermadrid wrote:
    BM wrote:
    supermadrid wrote:
    BM wrote:How did the neutrals see the game entertainment wise? I thought the second half was really good, very fast paced.

    I thought i was a fine match and nowadays it is what we call an entertaining game in the Cl. it was ok but there was only one big chance in the game and that was the one Ade missed in the end. good pace at times but i dont think that is entertaning unless we also get some chances and we didnt. kaka/seedorf/pato did little but that was also because they were too defensive. that is the problem when you have both ambrosini and gattuso in midfield. milan should have tried more but they did well to control the tempo when it got a bit to high for them. Arsenal were better then milan but not good enough to deserve a win imo.

    16 shots to 3. What more do you want?

    Didn't you say yesterday that Madrid deserved to draw against Roma? Because they had more possession.
    im dont think that is what i said. also you have to remember there is a difference between being away like madrid were and playing at home as arsenal did. also arsenal created one big chance in the game but that was a huge one though.

    One chance bigger than anything Madrid created last night. Smiley
    again Madrid were the away side and played like they were the home side. the reason i dont think roma deserved a win was because it was coward tactics imo and i dont say that to offend you but if teams dont want to attack at home then they are cowards. arsenal played at a good pace in the start of the season half but other then that milan kept the pace down and they didnt do much allthough more then roma did i will say.
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    Post by Machiavel Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:53 pm

    Arsenal needed Van Persie tonight, IMO they will go through a score draw is not that difficult plus this Arsenal team fears no one, been to the Bernabeu before and won why can’t they do this at the San Siro. Should have won tonight ..
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    Post by Black Magic Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:58 pm

    supermadrid wrote:
    BM wrote:
    supermadrid wrote:
    BM wrote:
    supermadrid wrote:
    BM wrote:How did the neutrals see the game entertainment wise? I thought the second half was really good, very fast paced.

    I thought i was a fine match and nowadays it is what we call an entertaining game in the Cl. it was ok but there was only one big chance in the game and that was the one Ade missed in the end. good pace at times but i dont think that is entertaning unless we also get some chances and we didnt. kaka/seedorf/pato did little but that was also because they were too defensive. that is the problem when you have both ambrosini and gattuso in midfield. milan should have tried more but they did well to control the tempo when it got a bit to high for them. Arsenal were better then milan but not good enough to deserve a win imo.

    16 shots to 3. What more do you want?

    Didn't you say yesterday that Madrid deserved to draw against Roma? Because they had more possession.
    im dont think that is what i said. also you have to remember there is a difference between being away like madrid were and playing at home as arsenal did. also arsenal created one big chance in the game but that was a huge one though.

    One chance bigger than anything Madrid created last night. Smiley
    again Madrid were the away side and played like they were the home side. the reason i dont think roma deserved a win was because it was coward tactics imo and i dont say that to offend you but if teams dont want to attack at home then they are cowards. arsenal played at a good pace in the start of the season half but other then that milan kept the pace down and they didnt do much allthough more then roma did i will say.

    I can honestly say I didn't feel like Madrid were going to score apart from the first 15 minutes and the last 5 minutes when Drenthe came on.

    You can say Cowardly but I'll say smart. Madrid was owning the game Roma played in an attacking set up, but when Roma decided to sit back, decide Madrid to have the ball and choose the right moments to attack we scored 2 unanswered goals.

    Anyway back on topic:

    60% - 40% Milan's way, I think we will score in Italy, I just don't know how many we'll concede.
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    Post by The Pröfessör Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:01 pm

    De Guzman wrote:
    Sir Les wrote:
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    Hlebtastic wrote:Rosicky will be back for the 2nd leg. Our left side will be stronger with him there.
    For sure eduardo from the left makes no sense whatsoever. He tried the same thing with RVP for a while, who also played shite in that role.

    Still don't like Eboue as RM/right winger though. Clueless idiot

    I may have forgotten but can't remember a really dangerous cross until Walcott came on after 89 mins.
    exactly. I don't mind Clichy and Sagna not being good crossers (they should practise of course, they're damn good defenders), but at least the players ahead of them should be able to do it. Eboue also makes a lot of wrong decisions during our passing game.

    he can cross well, not just brilliantly or anything, same applies to eboue ( we've scored a lot of goals from their crosses) . Our crossing wasn't the best tonight + the milan defenders were good in the air tonight.

    Everyone had a good game tonight imo. Some were to their usual standard( cesc, flamini etc) others were a bit below( hleb, ade etc) but ino one played badly.

    Oh i didn't see anything from the milan team tonight that would suggest we'll get turned over in San siro. I think we'll get a result there( 1-1 or 2-2)
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    Post by BoBo Vieri 32 Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:04 pm

    shazlx wrote:
    Rosicky wrote:A score draw sees us through. its not like we need to win.

    its far from over. what happened the last time we played at the san siro Wink
    Very Happy But there's no Henry to own Zanetti (who won't be there either).

    and there isnt some idiot called Zaccheroni managing the other team
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    Post by SuperMario Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:04 pm

    My player ratings:

    Lehmann 9 - solid, important saves, set up a few great counterattacks
    Sagna 7 - no end product when attacking
    Gallas 7 - SOLID
    Kolo - hope he's OK
    Senderos 7.5 - best defender
    Clichy 7 - same as Sagna solid, but...
    Eboue 5 - worked hard, but useless
    Flamini - 7 good job
    Cesc - 7.5 getting in shape again.
    Hleb - 8 MOTM
    Eduardo - 4 put in wrong position by Wenger, useless
    Adebayor - 5 not his day
    Bendtner - 7
    Walcott - 8 great cross
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    Post by Black Magic Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:07 pm

    AC Milan vs. Arsenal Discussion Thread - Page 13 Cesc2

    Our season rests on his shoulders IMO. Say, if he gets injured tomorrow and misses the rest of the season it's goodbye to a trophy for this season. <Ale>
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    Post by BoBo Vieri 32 Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:07 pm

    Nummer 14 wrote:Arsenal needed Van Persie tonight, IMO they will go through a score draw is not that difficult plus this Arsenal team fears no one, been to the Bernabeu before and won why can’t they do this at the San Siro. Should have won tonight ..

    so what if they won in Madrid? completely different match, nothing like Milan.

    When was the last time Milan lost a KO game whilist playing the 2nd leg at the San Siro?
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    Post by SuperMario Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:08 pm

    same goes for Hleb.

    Any news on Kolo?
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    Post by Machiavel Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:08 pm

    BoBo Vieri wrote:
    Nummer 14 wrote:Arsenal needed Van Persie tonight, IMO they will go through a score draw is not that difficult plus this Arsenal team fears no one, been to the Bernabeu before and won why can’t they do this at the San Siro. Should have won tonight ..

    so what if they won in Madrid? completely different match, nothing like Milan.

    When was the last time Milan lost a KO game whilist playing the 2nd leg at the San Siro?

    All I’m saying is Arsenal should not fear going to the San Siro, and if they can score their confidence level goes up. I just hope Van Persie will be back, he has the va-va-voom.
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    Post by shazlx Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:09 pm

    De Guzman wrote:Cesc - 7.5 getting in shape again.
    I liked his performance today. He needs to cut out some of the early long balls though, we do score from them this season but still a lot of wasted possession when we don't.
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    Post by Black Magic Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:09 pm

    BoBo Vieri wrote:
    Nummer 14 wrote:Arsenal needed Van Persie tonight, IMO they will go through a score draw is not that difficult plus this Arsenal team fears no one, been to the Bernabeu before and won why can’t they do this at the San Siro. Should have won tonight ..

    so what if they won in Madrid? completely different match, nothing like Milan.

    When was the last time Milan lost a KO game whilist playing the 2nd leg at the San Siro?

    Means nothing. When was the last time Arsenla failed to score in a two legged tie?

    I do believe we haven't lost against an Italian team under Arsene Wenger. <Ale>
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    Post by SuperMario Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:10 pm

    BoBo Vieri wrote:
    Nummer 14 wrote:Arsenal needed Van Persie tonight, IMO they will go through a score draw is not that difficult plus this Arsenal team fears no one, been to the Bernabeu before and won why can’t they do this at the San Siro. Should have won tonight ..

    so what if they won in Madrid? completely different match, nothing like Milan.

    When was the last time Milan lost a KO game whilist playing the 2nd leg at the San Siro?
    must have been ages ago.

    remember Roda JC took them to penalties in the UEFA Cup 7 (??) years ago. But Milan won on Pens. that's how they ended up with Kalac (who didn't impress me toninght)
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    Post by shazlx Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:11 pm

    BoBo Vieri wrote:
    Nummer 14 wrote:Arsenal needed Van Persie tonight, IMO they will go through a score draw is not that difficult plus this Arsenal team fears no one, been to the Bernabeu before and won why can’t they do this at the San Siro. Should have won tonight ..

    so what if they won in Madrid? completely different match, nothing like Milan.

    When was the last time Milan lost a KO game whilist playing the 2nd leg at the San Siro?
    When when the last time there was a first time in football? Lots of 1st time, 1st time in ages incidents happen in football otherwise they would just give the trophy to the team with the best records.
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    Post by BoBo Vieri 32 Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:12 pm

    BM wrote:
    BoBo Vieri wrote:
    Nummer 14 wrote:Arsenal needed Van Persie tonight, IMO they will go through a score draw is not that difficult plus this Arsenal team fears no one, been to the Bernabeu before and won why can’t they do this at the San Siro. Should have won tonight ..

    so what if they won in Madrid? completely different match, nothing like Milan.

    When was the last time Milan lost a KO game whilist playing the 2nd leg at the San Siro?

    Means nothing. When was the last time Arsenla failed to score in a two legged tie?

    I do believe we haven't lost against an Italian team under Arsene Wenger. <Ale>

    But if you score, that doesnt mean you win.

    Inter...oh and Juventus reserves Razz
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    Post by SuperMario Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:14 pm

    shazlx wrote:
    De Guzman wrote:Cesc - 7.5 getting in shape again.
    I liked his performance today. He needs to cut out some of the early long balls though, we do score from them this season but still a lot of wasted possession when we don't.
    don't have a problem with that we need to mix up our game & if you lose a ball in a situation like that you have (nearly) all players behind the ball so the counterattack will not be that dangerous.

    we need 2 up front so our passers have more targets to pass the ball too.
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    Post by Black Magic Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:14 pm

    BoBo Vieri wrote:
    BM wrote:
    BoBo Vieri wrote:
    Nummer 14 wrote:Arsenal needed Van Persie tonight, IMO they will go through a score draw is not that difficult plus this Arsenal team fears no one, been to the Bernabeu before and won why can’t they do this at the San Siro. Should have won tonight ..

    so what if they won in Madrid? completely different match, nothing like Milan.

    When was the last time Milan lost a KO game whilist playing the 2nd leg at the San Siro?

    Means nothing. When was the last time Arsenla failed to score in a two legged tie?

    I do believe we haven't lost against an Italian team under Arsene Wenger. <Ale>

    But if you score, that doesnt mean you win.

    And Inter...

    I meant away from home. That 3-0 defeat is embeded into my skull permanently. I was at that game, I still have nightmares of Van Der Meyde's gunned down celebration. Sad

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