German legend Otto Pfister leads Cameroon

Fey wrote:

Matthew Upson wrote:Germany 0-1 Egypt .

Cameroon has players that can play football!!!

Doesn't matter : German managers don't care for that, they don't know what to do with creative players

WG

WTF Fey. Egypt have been one of the most attacking teams in this tournament. They have been creative and played with flair. Shehata has proved he can play defensively and then turn it around to play a different system and attack well. Thisis a triumph of a great coach over an alright one and of entertaining football.

bad luck Fister, better luck next year with Rwanda or Ethiopia

Which poster has gone missing in this thread since Egypt demolished the badly managed Cameroon side ?

Answers on a postcard

interesting fact

most of you know NOTHING about African football

(or any other kind)

Pfister, when asked BEFORE the tournament who his favourites were for the Africa Cup, replied

EGYPT and TUNISIA

NOT Cote d'Ivoire, Nigeria, Cameroon or Ghana

maybe the result is less of a surprise than EMP and Co think

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Otto has an offer to manage America or Korea

he can also stay with Cameroon

I hope he takes over the Yankies

what Obama is to American Politics Otto Pfister could be to American sport

wahre G

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did anybody else notice that the winning goal of the Africa's Cup was scored by Zidan

who earns his money in the Bundesliga at HSV

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Zidan is sitting on the bench most of the time because Huub van Stevens does not rate or like him

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Stevens has not won with HSV for the last 5 games

another van Dutch miracle worker who fortunately is leaving voluntarily now

Aboutriaka was the goalscorer. Zidan was the one that won the ball off Song and provided the pass for the goal.

Otto knows nothing about Football Bet he never watched the game inside his bunker.

WG or ZG maybe a little ecstasy. And what's the recipe? Xcalibur weaponry

Amr Zaky who was my player of the tournament plays for Al-Zamalek

Coached by the GREAT Ruud Krol

Ruud Krol >>>>>>>>>>>> Vogts

26-Otto-19 wrote:

what Osama is to American Politics Otto Pfister could be to American sport

wahre G

Indeed

I didn`t run Pfister down. I said that Pfister`s hero was CK Gyamfi - the most successful coach in ACN history. Try reading what I said first before inventing arguments I haven`t made. I ran down Vogts and still will. He was a disaster.

Secondly, I think I was just about the only one on here who tipped Egypt to beat Ivory Coast, so why do you think the result surprises me? Try reading what I said. Since you seem to have difficulty grasping what I am saying I will spell it out for you.

Hassan Shehata >>>> Otto Pfister
Hassan Shehata >>>>>>> all the other coaches in this competition.
Hassan Shehata is the second most successful coach in ACN history.
He is a large part of Egypt success, something I pretty much predicted and long before you chose to misrepresent my views. Once I got out here and saw Egypt play I saw that they would be a real threat. Also Tunisia was never a real contender. Ghana and Ivory Coast were more legitimate contenders.

Charles (CK) is the greatest coach in ACN history and is your hero`s hero. Why is this so difficult to grasp?

26-Otto-19 wrote:interesting fact

most of you know NOTHING about African football

(or any other kind)

Pfister, when asked BEFORE the tournament who his favourites were for the Africa Cup, replied

EGYPT and TUNISIA

NOT Cote d'Ivoire, Nigeria, Cameroon or Ghana

What a racist c**t.

All those sides are a hell of a lot better than Tunisia anyway.

26-Otto-19 wrote:

he just shakes his head at those GERMANS who were celebrating a 3rd place at their HOME-WORLD-CUP

What's wrong with that? Sure, we haven't won the world cup, but as you've already mentioned, the WC06 with all its great footy took place at HOME, right in front of your nose. You must have been either blind or deaf, or probably being a self-obsessed and big mouthy German living in a bunker like Herr Pfister to not get infected by the cheerful atmosphere. People were savouring the moment and got a bit carried away by the hype. So what? Especially after all the doom and gloom (not only football-wise) that was predicted beforehand, it's understandable that people were happy and relieved by the outcome. That said, I don't remember us overly celebrating the second place at the world cup 2002. And if you look at the huge expectations that are prevalent in Germany, then an eventual third place in the EM won't be considered a success either. So Pfister's (and yours?) concerns are without reason. Winning silverware was and still is the benchmark in evaluating the performance of our team.

So, Löw better brings us the Euro trophy, or otherwise he can go look for a new job.

Oh Häschen, so good to see you back!!

You fecking tell him. With this tedious repetition of such a lazy, superficial point, Otto gives no impression of having been anywhere near the World Cup, so it makes sense that he doesn't seem to understand what was going on.

In the summer, things will of course not be quite the same, and nothing less than victory will do.

"Zidan scored the winning goal" – you're really not helping yourself, Otto...

Yay! Lets gang up on Otto. Can I join in?

I was on edgware Road on Sunday night when Egypt won. The noise. If England ever win the World Cup, I dont think they would be able to match the total bedlam I saw in that part of London that day. Felt like I was in the middle of Cairo.

Glad Egypt won. Havent had lunch yet, another lengthy diatribe about German godliness from Otto wouldnt sit well on an empty stomach ;-)

correction

http://www.welt.de/sport/article1660422/Zidan_in_Aegypten_ein_Held_beim_HSV_auf_der_Bank.html

Am I right in thinking the "P" in Pfister is a silent one?

Otto Fister. Awesome

Senor Woody wrote:Am I right in thinking the "P" in Pfister is a silent one?

Otto Fister. Awesome

so that's why he's a big fan

Senor Woody wrote:Am I right in thinking the "P" in Pfister is a silent one?

Otto Fister. Awesome

For what it's worth, no – German's a very phonetic language. But nice idea

And while we are talking about German coaches in Africa, what exactly does Reinhard Fabisch bring to the table? Not necessarily the worst, but interesting that a Ghanaian coach who went on to to coach Ghana1s under-20 was the first to take Benin to ACN. Are European coaches that good in Africa. The best two were Africans.

@ Axe. Could you translate that, at least the gist of it.

EMP wrote:@ Axe. Could you translate that, at least the gist of it.

basically it says that Fister is a clown, a Co.ck and an alcoholic, he wants to be King but is a bit of a joke. Having finally made a name for himself at 71 he is probably too old and too stuck in the past to do anything with it.

EMP wrote:@ Axe. Could you translate that, at least the gist of it.

It's a piece about the worth of experience and how Pfister was the last "White Dictator in Africa".

It's about how Pfister is the only European manager who doesn't try to do things the European way, but has gone native (or at least tried to do so)...and that that's probably the reason why he's so successful in Africa

You mean he succeeds by being a German who is more African than German!

Pfister is SUPER-SMART

in a cultural, psychological way

EMP's contempt for the white-haired German is outrageous

Otto quickly discovered that you CANNOT employ European rules in Africa; he has not gone native, he merely understands that a one-size-fits-all strategy is bound to fail

a few weeks ago he said that the moment a European manager tries to bring order to an African team, the moments he gets pissed off that things are different in Africa and TRIES TO CHANGE THEM, he might as well take the next taxi to the airport

HE WILL ALWAYS FAIL

Otto then applied this rule to Vogts and claimed he had committed suicide by endlessly trying to CHANGE the Africans on or off the pitch

Pfister is a true LEGEND; a man who believes in the spirit of football and HATES tactics or strategy; he NEVER discusses these topics with the players; neither does he believe in great team talks; he mostly addresses the players individually

most of his work concentrates on his own team

the opponent gets only a few minutes of attention

a lot of the preparation goes into finding the best players (much like Wenger) and then keeping them happy, motivating them ( a bit like Doll, only with Pfister it works )

ultimatively, Pfister is a TYPICAL German ROMANTIC with FERNWEH

very 19th century; a bit like Eichendorff

you find many 68er like him who then left Germany to live in Ibiza or Goa where they now sell "Batiken" and pottery

wahre G

26-Otto-19 wrote:FERNWEH

I didn't know that was a word : cool

We already nicked our word "Heimwee" from you, I think we should do the same with this one

Try reading what I said you idiot. I don't have contempt for Pfister. Of the European coaches in Africa, he is one of the better ones, but get it through your thick skull, he is not as good as Hassan Shehata, which is what I have been saying. Your inability to grasp that either shows that you simply distort other people's arguments to suit your own purpose or you have reading comprehension issues.

For the last time Hassan Shehata>>>>Otto Pfister is not showing contempt for Pfister, it is showing respect for Shehata. Try doing the same. After all Shehata has won two ACN trophies back to back - only the second person in history to do it, the other being Pfister's hero CK Gyamfi and Pfister has won nothing. It is not debatable on any sensible level that Shehata>>>>Pfister. Only a complete moron could disagree with that and complete morons are very rare! If you can't get that well that is your problem. And Shehata did it with tactics. That is why he has the advantage over Pfister. He can adapt strategy to the needs of the match. Pfister doesn't. Shehata had a fluid system that attacked through any player and as such it was difficult to play against or plan for by opponents. Pfister didn't bother - much good it did him. Pfister lost twice in Ghana and both tims he was out-coached by Shehata. Just accept it and move on Shehata is a far better coach. All the facts point to that conclusion. If you disagree try doing a poll on it and if you get more than your own vote for Pfister over Shehata we will have found another complete moron.

Otto Pfister is not the best coach in Africa and Berti Vogts is still a joke in Nigeria and Africa as a whole. I do have contempt for him because he was clueless on every level. He treated Nigerian assistant coaches like his servants and knew nothing about Nigeria's football culture. One year on he still knows nothing. If he had the slightest modicum of honour he would resign, but he doesn't and won't. He is so delusional he thinks Nigeria's worst performance in ACN finals in more than twenty years is a success. How can you not have contempt for such an appalling coach. At the end of the day he took his outdated ideas and tried to impose them on Nigeria without knowing a thing about the country, its players and its football philosophy. That is his fault and if he wasn't such a mercenary he would do the honourable thing and resign. The buck stops with him Otto. Everyone else can see it. If you disagree try another poll on it. I do agree that the Nigerian FA were fuckwits to appoint him in the first place, but his limitations were totally exposed in the ACN. By the way a European coach did succeed with Nigeria and is revered there. He is Dutch. I'll leave you to work out who that is and he brought his own methods to Nigeria. He runs an academy there now. A combination of European and African methods can work, but it requires an integrated approach not an imposed one and that is what Berti does - impose his views regardless of local culture and philosophy. It is part of the reason he failed in Nigeria and also in Scotland.

And finally Hassan Shehata is by far the best coach in Africa. Deal with it. He beat your hero twice.

@emp

I never said a word about Shehata; nor did I make a comparison between him and Pfister

if you don't understand that, you have problems with Reading Comprehension

deal with it in your own time

as for Pfister, your disrespect for the great German is currently the biggest scandal of this messageboard

wahre G

ask ANYBODY from Togo, Cameroon or Ghana : these people REVERE Otto almost as a God

again, whether Hassan is better or not is immaterial here; I can say that Lahm is excellent but Brehme was better: whats the problem

as for Vogts: the guy is indeed a moron; then again, at times he is not; the stuff he has achieved as a player and manager is off the board; Hiddink and Cruijff are mere amateurs compared to Vogts; so show the man SOME RESPECT

having said that

he was 100% wrong for Nigeria

precisely for the reasons mentioned by Pfister

it simply could not have worked

BUT

your contempt for Vogts is the REAL SCANDAL on here

Vogts and Nigeria were a mismatch: agreed

just like brown lipstick would be on Naomi Campbell

Vogts is not everybody's Cup of TEa: agreed (personally I do not like him at all)

BUT

Vogts is still one of Europe's greatest football experts

I talked to my buddy from Togo the other day; he watched every Africa' s Cup game with his friends from all over Africa

initially, my mate told me that Nigeria traditionally had excellent individuals who , unfortunately, were too selfish

having watched the Africa's Cup his assessent had changed somewhat; he now believed that Nigeria AT THE MOMENT were simply having a rough spell; that their team and squad , frankly, was quite poor by African standards, even if Europeans still liked to buy players from over there

he CATEGORICALLY did not want to blame Vogts one bit

do you hear me, emp

NOT ONE BIT

he told me that his mates from Africa agreed with this assessment 100%: "Nigeria at the moment are simply quite average"

when I confronted him with the Oliseh view that it was all Vogts' fault, he said that there would always be prominent people looking for a scape-goat and trying to benefit from other's misfortune

my Togo buddy's wife, incidentally, is friends with Kuffour's wife, which does not make him an expert at all, but indicates that he is also talking to people who operate on a slightly elevated football level

anyway, emp, congrats on Hassan, Africa's greatest coach of all time

and please

just chill and lay off the Germans

wahre Bitte