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So the Chelsea logo and the samsung labels were stains...yeah sounds about right.
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robert wrote:So the Chelsea logo and the samsung labels were stains...yeah sounds about right.
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robert wrote:So the Chelsea logo and the samsung labels were stains...yeah sounds about right.
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Come now, don't ever trivialise Makelele's plight. Johnson never experienced slavery at those whitebread/blood over in Madrid.
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The debate about black managers in Britain is an interesting one, but if you want examples of racism against black coaches look no further than Africa. While black players can't get jobs in Britain they are a minority. In Africa they are the majority yet white European coaches, generally ones who have done absolutely f@ck all - less in fact - in Europe walk into top jobs at higher wages in Africa than African coaches.
Possibly the worst example concerns the great CK Gyamfi. He won the ACN the first attempt and defended it. His reward for the best run in Ghanaian history demotion in favour of a Brasilian fitness coach, Carlos Alberto Parreira. Ghana lost to Congo DR in 1968. And so the disease set in. Gyamfi was an excptional coach. Ghana has won the ACN four times. Each time an African was at the helm. It has happened in other countries too. The two most successful coaches in ACN history have both been Africans. At the last ACN only a quarter of the coaches were Africans and bar Shehata the foreign coaches were paid more.
Africa has good coaches, but their infrastructure and organisation is absolute $h!t. European coaches are not better in Africa. Who the hell has heard of Reinhard Fabisch, or Jean-Francois Jodar before the ACN or for many of you even now? Why are African FAs prepared to overpay for European Cr@p that cannot work in Europe, rather than invest in talented Africans?
Possibly the worst example concerns the great CK Gyamfi. He won the ACN the first attempt and defended it. His reward for the best run in Ghanaian history demotion in favour of a Brasilian fitness coach, Carlos Alberto Parreira. Ghana lost to Congo DR in 1968. And so the disease set in. Gyamfi was an excptional coach. Ghana has won the ACN four times. Each time an African was at the helm. It has happened in other countries too. The two most successful coaches in ACN history have both been Africans. At the last ACN only a quarter of the coaches were Africans and bar Shehata the foreign coaches were paid more.
Africa has good coaches, but their infrastructure and organisation is absolute $h!t. European coaches are not better in Africa. Who the hell has heard of Reinhard Fabisch, or Jean-Francois Jodar before the ACN or for many of you even now? Why are African FAs prepared to overpay for European Cr@p that cannot work in Europe, rather than invest in talented Africans?
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I gues its mostly to do with the fact that africans dont have high selfesteem and they believe some of the $h!t europeans have branded throughout the years that white automatically means better.EMP wrote:The debate about black managers in Britain is an interesting one, but if you want examples of racism against black coaches look no further than Africa. While black players can't get jobs in Britain they are a minority. In Africa they are the majority yet white European coaches, generally ones who have done absolutely f@ck all - less in fact - in Europe walk into top jobs at higher wages in Africa than African coaches.
Possibly the worst example concerns the great CK Gyamfi. He won the ACN the first attempt and defended it. His reward for the best run in Ghanaian history demotion in favour of a Brasilian fitness coach, Carlos Alberto Parreira. Ghana lost to Congo DR in 1968. And so the disease set in. Gyamfi was an excptional coach. Ghana has won the ACN four times. Each time an African was at the helm. It has happened in other countries too. The two most successful coaches in ACN history have both been Africans. At the last ACN only a quarter of the coaches were Africans and bar Shehata the foreign coaches were paid more.
Africa has good coaches, but their infrastructure and organisation is absolute $h!t. European coaches are not better in Africa. Who the hell has heard of Reinhard Fabisch, or Jean-Francois Jodar before the ACN or for many of you even now? Why are African FAs prepared to overpay for European Cr@p that cannot work in Europe, rather than invest in talented Africans?
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hmmm so 51% of all managers should be women as well then?
Stuff like this can f@ck off and die im afraid.
I hate this political correctness $h!t nearly as much as i hate non white people and women.
Stuff like this can f@ck off and die im afraid.
I hate this political correctness $h!t nearly as much as i hate non white people
and women.
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Lordanger wrote:hmmm so 51% of all managers should be women as well then?
Stuff like this can f@ck off and die im afraid.
I hate this political correctness $h!t nearly as much as i hate non white people
Who is that aimed at? While most black coaches of the Paul Davis generation are only just coming through, there are others who never got the chance and others like Viv Anderson who should be really kicking himself. Left a number one job to become Bryan Robson's number two and never got another chance because of it.
There is talent out there that needs to be encouraged. These are people who have played the game at the highest level and have skills that are being wasted. Representation in society is stupid as an argument as only a tiny minority of people have the requisite skills, so lets discuss that -opprtunities for those who have the requisite skills. Are they getting the opportunities that they should be receiving? Are they being blocked in their development and if so is race a factor?
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A Tribe Called TSwrote:
Clergymen Superstains wrote:A Tribe Called TSYoda wrote:
It has nothing to do with racism, except in the minds of those who want to see half of all TV presenters coming from about 15% of the population...
I hear you saints, but bear in mind that a significantly higher percentage of black people are involved in the football industry as a whole.
Think we've had this argument before. (It got a bit nasty between Puro & yourself) Let me bump the topic...
So!! Ever watched the NBA? Its full of nig..black people. Yes a few of the coaches are black, but not the majority. Not even to begin with them owners.!
Blacks
There's loads of Black Coaches in the NBA
And there's a lot more white players than people think - Steve Nash, Pau Gasol, Peja Stojakovic, Dirk Nowitzki are all dominant players for exzample, that's without mentioning very good ones like Kirk Heinrich, Andrei Kirilenko.
NBA's a lot more than just a black man's thing nowadays.
Half of the Utah Jazz is white. Also Indiana and the Lakers have a roster with quite a number of White players. The Raptors have quite a few Europeans.
Basically, don't look at the guys who participate in the dunk contests or are in those Nike commercials.
I disagree with you on there being a lot of Black coaches. There are only about 10, thats 1/3 of the NBA. A solid number but it certinly isn't "loads." I was watching Sportscenter the other night and they said on average, White coaches get a longer tenure in the position and more time to prove themselves. I'd say though that in the next couple of years the situation will improve. Let's not forget that in 1998 only 7% of coaches in the NBA were Black.
As for Black managers in England, I'm not even aware of any talented Black Englishmen that I would consider great managers.
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EMP wrote:Lordanger wrote:hmmm so 51% of all managers should be women as well then?
Stuff like this can f@ck off and die im afraid.
I hate this political correctness $h!t nearly as much as i hate non white people
Who is that aimed at? While most black coaches of the Paul Davis generation are only just coming through, there are others who never got the chance and others like Viv Anderson who should be really kicking himself. Left a number one job to become Bryan Robson's number two and never got another chance because of it.
There is talent out there that needs to be encouraged. These are people who have played the game at the highest level and have skills that are being wasted. Representation in society is stupid as an argument as only a tiny minority of people have the requisite skills, so lets discuss that -opprtunities for those who have the requisite skills. Are they getting the opportunities that they should be receiving? Are they being blocked in their development and if so is race a factor?
My comment wasn't aimed at anyone specifically and I hadn't read all the previous comments either. My point is that Political correctness really should have no baring on who gets these jobs, it should be talent as you pointed out. Basically I am trying to show my utter contempt for nonsensical shite like the original comment and the people who utter such tripe.
The bottom line is talent and desire, if they have it, skin colour is irrelevant. Look at the sheer amount of black players playing football in england: it is crazy to say the powers who run football are racists.
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Ajax let Ten Cate leave after they figured out he was black 
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So far its not looking good for the blacks:
Gullit
Rijkaard
Ten Cate
Gullit
Rijkaard
Ten Cate
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Clergymen Superstains wrote:So far its not looking good for the blacks:
Gullit
Rijkaard
Ten Cate
What's Aaron Winter up to these days ?
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A Tribe Called TSClergymen Superstains wrote:So far its not looking good for the blacks:
Gullit
Rijkaard
Ten Cate
What's Aaron Winter up to these days ?
Youth coach at ajax
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What's Aaron Winter up to these days ?
I always thought he'd make a great manager
Very nice and smart fellow (wasn't a bad footballer either).
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Rijkaard is no complete disaster at least at Barcelona ans wasn't appalling at Oranje. Sparta is different matter though.
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Rijkaard I thought could have been the next Ajax boss .. but I think he is reluctant to go back coaching in Holland. I think Van Basten has black hair 
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Mohammed Allach as (very successful) technical director is even more rare...
It's a shame he is though : he should go into national politics, one of the very few people who can bridge the Muslim - non Muslim gap. He'd immediately get my vote...
It's a shame he is though : he should go into national politics, one of the very few people who can bridge the Muslim - non Muslim gap. He'd immediately get my vote...
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The time i remember him for most was his time for Holland which played some great football as i remember. never understood why he went because i thought he did a good job and had he not met the might italians who knows what would have happened. his time barca has been hard to judge. on one hand he has won 2 La liga titles and a CL but then he has failed alot after Hen tenk cate went away with a very good team. he should get into a new project imo, maybe milan.EMP wrote:Rijkaard is no complete disaster at least at Barcelona ans wasn't appalling at Oranje. Sparta is different matter though.
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Perhaps Rijkaard needs to go, but why do posters think that black Dutch coaches get better opportunities than British ones. Gullit got his first managerial breaks in England. Why? What made him a better prospect for coaching than Cyrille Regis for example, or Remy Moses, or Paul Elliott? Can't think of any black British player getting the opportunities given to Rijkaard so early in their career either.
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EMP wrote:Can't think of any black British player getting the opportunities given to Rijkaard so early in their career either.
John Barnes?
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I thought that Rijkaard's break was as coach of the Netherlands. He did reasonably well and then went into club management. That was the reason that I didn't bring up Gullit in that context. Barnes is more similar to Gullit than Rijkaard. Also Barnes never got a second chance in management. Both Gullit and later Rijkaard (post Sparta) did.
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Why nobody mentioned Menzo?
He is successful today with Volemdam. He is on the brink to promote Volendam to the Eredivisie. He was assistent of Van Basten in Oranje.
BTW.
Rijkaard, Ten Cate are successful.. I don't know what you can do much more to be successful.. Maybe it is time to leave for Rijkaard but he did a tremendous job out there.
So it is not too bad with "black" coaches in the Netherlands.
On the other hand when can you call some one "black". I mean, can you call Aron Winter black? He is half Hindu or you'd better say a Moksie (mixed)...
Is Gullit black? He loves his white mum and he hated his black father
He is successful today with Volemdam. He is on the brink to promote Volendam to the Eredivisie. He was assistent of Van Basten in Oranje.
BTW.
Rijkaard, Ten Cate are successful.. I don't know what you can do much more to be successful.. Maybe it is time to leave for Rijkaard but he did a tremendous job out there.
So it is not too bad with "black" coaches in the Netherlands.
On the other hand when can you call some one "black". I mean, can you call Aron Winter black? He is half Hindu or you'd better say a Moksie (mixed)...
Is Gullit black? He loves his white mum and he hated his black father
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Imo no (Gullit black, apart from his skin colour). Same goes for Obama & Colin Powell.
What about Jos Luhukay at Borussia Moenchen Gladbach? Or Andre Wetzel (not even sure about him, looks a bit Indonesian).
Imo in Holland if you're good enough you'll get there even if you're a blue.
What about Jos Luhukay at Borussia Moenchen Gladbach? Or Andre Wetzel (not even sure about him, looks a bit Indonesian).
Imo in Holland if you're good enough you'll get there even if you're a blue.
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What about Van Bronkhorst? What the f@ck is he? And Nigel De Jong?
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