Klose - what's up?

In his last 10 Bundesliga matches Miro had an average rating of 4.6 in Kicker (1= good 6= Cr@p). That's not low. That's VERY low.

http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/vereine/spielersteckbrief/object/23709/saison/2007-08

So what's the problem. Not fully fit? Unhappy in Hollywood?

Cr@p?

Toni stole the limelight?

The Easter Bunny wrote:Cr@p?

Toni stole the limelight?

Toni, not the ideal partner for Miro?

Both are similar IMO, both act as a target man.
They need to play Poldi a bit more.

PS: Can that Sosa kid play up front?

what are you talking about

in the penultimate game he scored one and got one assist

in the last game he got another assist and splendid reviews

in the words of Hoeness, he is now doing a lot of the defensive work that HAS to be done for Ribery, who is effectively a third striker doing ZERO defensive work

Miro's biggest strength but also weakness is that he is too selfless

and subordinates himself to the team

Toni calls him the best striker he has EVER played with (ie better than del Piero, Inzaghi, Gilardino, Totti....)

he has never seen anybody as "aufopferungsvoll"

Gomez, Poldi and Kuranyi will be in his debt BIG TIME this summer

incidentally

listen to "Planet Earth" by Prince at full volume

BRILLIANT

Ah Bayerns new best player Ribery

EVERYBODY is playing for Ribery

+

EVERYBODY loves Ribery

=

his confidence is sky-high and he does not have to do any of the dirty work

he will be a shadow of his Bayern self for France

looks and sounds like a genuinely nice guy though

slight question mark over his intelligence or knowledge :

he claims that before Bayern Munich had contacted him, he had never heard of the club before

Darling wrote:what are you talking about

(last 10 Bundesliga matches: rating, opponent, A/H)

5 Arminia Bielefeld A
5,5 MSV Duisburg H
4,5 Hertha BSC A
4,5 Hansa Rostock A
4 Werder Bremen H
4 Hannover 96 A
4,5 Hamburger SV H
4 FC Schalke 04 A
4 Karlsruher SC H
5,5 Energie Cottbus A

Thought I read he wasn't doing that well either lately. Apparently all the people who do ratings at Kicker are clueless....

the last two games he did well

even if he did still miss a few decent chances

before that the German media were writing him into a crisis

it was surreal in the extreme

he did not score for a few games and when he broke that series with a chested goal EVERY ridiculous GERMAN MORON in the PRESS said it really was Ribery's goal because the pass was so well-timed and -placed; the ball merely bounced off Klose's chest



the Schweinsteiger to Ribery pass was better than Ribery's assist for Klose, by the way, yet NOBODY mentioned Schweini

I like Ribery

but the truth is that German journalists and fans do not have the maturity or intelligence to put his achievements into context

same applies to Diego

the result

the foreign star is treated like a galactico even when the Germans around are better and the Teutons are either ignored, treated as second best or even vilified (see Klose at Bremen)

consequently, the self-confidence of the foreign galactico surges and his game improves whereas the Germans lose interest, get frustrated and to make matters worse , have to read they are Cr@p compared to the fantastic foreigners

I like our friend chrissicross, ditto the old blutgraetsche

but they and their buddies drove Klose out of Werder and now lack a top goal-scorer


Germany at its most self-destructive

Bremen was the absolute top for Klose... Bayern is already a bit too high. The EPL, Serie A and LaLiga are much too high for a moderate player like Klose....

The German League will now suffer the fate of the EPL.

All of its homegrown players will be $h!t and foreign imports will rule over.

Ricardo Jol wrote:Bremen was the absolute top for Klose... Bayern is already a bit too high. The EPL, Serie A and LaLiga are much too high for a moderate player like Klose....

?!

Couldn't disagree more : Klose and Ballack are the only German players that would make Oranje

Axeslammer wrote:

Ricardo Jol wrote:Bremen was the absolute top for Klose... Bayern is already a bit too high. The EPL, Serie A and LaLiga are much too high for a moderate player like Klose....

?!

Couldn't disagree more : Klose and Ballack are the only German players that would make Oranje

Ballack yes! Klose is another huntelaar big in the small games

Ricardo Jol wrote:

Axeslammer wrote:

Ricardo Jol wrote:Bremen was the absolute top for Klose... Bayern is already a bit too high. The EPL, Serie A and LaLiga are much too high for a moderate player like Klose....

?!

Couldn't disagree more : Klose and Ballack are the only German players that would make Oranje

Ballack yes! Klose is another huntelaar big in the small games

Huntelaar is Klose...poor footballers decent poachers. Allthough Klose has done more on International level then again he is already 30.

Like Makaay said yesterday, if he is fit he is 10 times better then the both of them

Well, right now it looks like Klose´s first season at Bayern is exactly like his last season at Bremen.

But it´s the next season which counts. Then he has to score the goals for Bayern in the CL, against the big boys. No more Cottbus, Wacker Burghausen or Red Star Belgrade then...and no more excuses.

germany have mario gomez, the best striker in europe in his current form


19 games in bundesliga-----15 goals

he scored in the CL and for germany too







and klose is very important for bayern, he makes assists and give toni the space for his goals and its an hardworking striker

klose scored 20 goals
toni 26 goals

in all competitions, but i think without the klose assists toni is half that good

Bit suprised nobody mentioned Kiessling yet. Or is he only playing well because of Barbarez

Kicker best striker rating:

(player / club / matches played / matches rated / goals / rating)

1 Kießling Leverkusen 24 23 7 3,09
2 Barbarez Leverkusen 20 17 4 3,18
2 Pantelic Hertha 22 22 11 3,18
4 Amanatidis Frankfurt 23 21 8 3,29
5 Cacau Stuttgart 18 15 7 3,30
6 Sanogo Bremen 16 13 7 3,31
7 Sestak Bochum 24 22 10 3,32
8 Olic HSV 25 22 10 3,36
8 Toni Bayern 23 22 16 3,36
10 Gomez Stuttgart 19 16 15 3,41
11 Rosenberg Bremen 22 18 9 3,44
12 Guerrero HSV 20 16 5 3,47
13 Hugo Almeida Bremen 17 14 8 3,57
14 Grafite Wolfsburg 19 18 9 3,58
15 Kuranyi Schalke 23 22 9 3,61
16 Kennedy Karlsruhe 18 14 5 3,64
17 Klose Bayern 23 22 10 3,66
18 Hanke Hannover 25 24 9 3,67
19 Gekas Leverkusen 20 16 10 3,75
20 Rangelov Cottbus 17 16 5 3,78
21 Dzeko Wolfsburg 19 13 5 3,81
22 Köhler Frankfurt 20 16 1 3,84
22 Iashvili Karlsruhe 20 16 0 3,84
24 Timm Karlsruhe 23 22 3 3,86
25 Asamoah Schalke 22 19 6 3,87
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687 Podolski Bayern 16 2 2 5,00

sobering stuff for de Guzman

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Sebastian Krass (Stuttgarter Zeitung) : „Und doch stand selbst in diesem Spiel (gegen Bayer) offenkundig ein unzufriedener Offensivspieler der Bayern auf dem Platz: Miroslav Klose. Der Stürmer war diesmal der Mann, der den Wirbel überhaupt erst in Gang setzte und ihn dann am Laufen hielt. Er ebnete mit seiner Ballbeherrschung und Übersicht den Weg zum 1:0 von Luca Toni und sprang in vielen anderen Szenen für Franck Ribéry in die Bresche, dem zu viele Ballverluste unterliefen. Doch im Mittelpunkt stand – wieder einmal – der Strahlemann aus Italien. Klose dagegen war kein Tor vergönnt, wieder einmal. Und das schlägt Klose sichtbar aufs Gemüt. Gut zu beobachten war das, als Ribéry, Toni und Klose auf nur einen Gegenspieler zuliefen. Toni bekam den Ball, es wäre ihm ein leichtes gewesen, zurück auf Klose zu spielen. Doch so denkt Toni nicht. Der Weltmeister dachte nur an sein nächstes Tor und schoss vorbei. Für Toni war die Sache mit einem entschuldigenden Wink erledigt. Klose hob auch eine Minute später noch rat- und hilflos die Arme. Hitzfeld machte deutlich, dass er nicht glücklich damit ist, wie die Dinge im Angriff derzeit laufen, dass nämlich einer arbeitet und der andere trifft. Klose dürfte die toni-freien Tage mit der Nationalmannschaft besonders genießen.“

it gets even worse for Guzman

http://de.eurosport.yahoo.com/24032008/73/bundesliga-klose-glanzlicht-schatten-toni.html

interesting thought towards the end

maybe Germany should now play Klose + Gomez at the front

I just asked how Miro was doing, apparently -at least according to a local stuttgart newspaper & eurosport - he OK again.

You still haven't come up with any explantion for a 4.6 avergae of 10 matches, which can be nothing else than great shape.

I rather play Germany at the EC than Poland. So I hope you do well, should be doable with the draw you have.

First of all, I wonder when Kicker grades have become the ultimate in judging a player's performance.

But anyway...this here is reality.

Klose works A LOT for this team. He's NOT simply target man. He creates danger and not only through assists. Plus, he tracks back (and I mean, all the way if necessary.)

How can everybody be so blind and just praise Luca Toni (who is a pure target man that basically can't be found in our own half ever) when a large number of the Italian's goals have been tap-ins - with a third of those coming after Klose gave him the ball on a silver-platter.

I thought people on here actually understood the game a little. The week-in, week-out writing up of striker crises (because goals are so nice and easy to measure) should be left to the press.

Klose and Toni fit together very well. The only thing that has to improve is Toni looking for the better-positioned player more often.

Too much anti-German sentiment on this board here all the time. It's getting really annoying.

(And for once, don't resort to calling him Polish. It's just childish and really not very clever at all.)

I always rated Toni

but Klose is the FAR BETTER footballer

even this season

the kind of goals Toni converts even Rooney would score

Toni now has to learn to look for Klose as well

which he DOES NOT

it's no longer funny

Toni is getting as bad as Inzaghi

meanwhile, the German press who invent a Klose crisis should just shoot themselves

Effenberg wrote:First of all, I wonder when Kicker grades have become the ultimate in judging a player's performance.

But anyway...this here is reality.

Klose works A LOT for this team. He's NOT simply target man. He creates danger and not only through assists. Plus, he tracks back (and I mean, all the way if necessary.)

How can everybody be so blind and just praise Luca Toni (who is a pure target man that basically can't be found in our own half ever) when a large number of the Italian's goals have been tap-ins - with a third of those coming after Klose gave him the ball on a silver-platter.

I thought people on here actually understood the game a little. The week-in, week-out writing up of striker crises (because goals are so nice and easy to measure) should be left to the press.

Klose and Toni fit together very well. The only thing that has to improve is Toni looking for the better-positioned player more often.

Too much anti-German sentiment on this board here all the time. It's getting really annoying.

(And for once, don't resort to calling him Polish. It's just childish and really not very clever at all.)

Just read kicker to keep in touch with German footy. Was amazed to see Klose ratings so low, so I ask: what's up? hardly any anti German sentiment in that. I NEVER called Klose Cr@p. I rate him.

I'm not a moron like Otto who only starts loads of anti-Holland/England & pro-German players threads a day.

I mentioned Poland because they're in your EC group (together with Croatia & Austria), nothing to do with Klose's ancestors. That you wrongly project it on your national team is your problem (seeing an attack in everything) not mine.

I'm not projecting anything. I was speaking in general, about the kind of stuff that's written on this board.

The German press, including Kicker, feasts on Bayern's (few) failures and turns them into big stories. Because it sells. They never wrote this much about Klose not scoring in consecutive matches when he was at Bremen.

In my opinion, a person that understands football and watches whole matches should be able to appreciate the kind of player Klose is. I believe he is a more complete player now in his new environment, than he ever was.

None of this goes against you, Guzman, but rather against the simple-mindedness and piss-taking on this board.

OK Effe.

Kicker gave him a 2 v Bayer this weekend.

What's your take on Kiessling?

Kiessling is too inconsistent. He's playing a good season, but not nearly as good as Kicker make it out to be. I don't think he can make it at bigger club than Leverkusen and even there it'll be interesting to see if he can play at this level for more than a season.

Effenberg wrote:I'm not projecting anything. I was speaking in general, about the kind of stuff that's written on this board.

The German press, including Kicker, feasts on Bayern's (few) failures and turns them into big stories. Because it sells. They never wrote this much about Klose not scoring in consecutive matches when he was at Bremen.

In my opinion, a person that understands football and watches whole matches should be able to appreciate the kind of player Klose is. I believe he is a more complete player now in his new environment, than he ever was.

None of this goes against you, Guzman, but rather against the simple-mindedness and piss-taking on this board.

Bravo.
Well said.

Effenberg wrote:Kiessling is too inconsistent. He's playing a good season, but not nearly as good as Kicker make it out to be. I don't think he can make it at bigger club than Leverkusen and even there it'll be interesting to see if he can play at this level for more than a season.

Thanks. Next season might be more difficult. Don't know what Schneider & Barbarez will do. They're both in my Bundesliga top 10 of the last decade & are both great team players.

Do Kicker have a crush on Bayer? Rolfes is rated incredibly high too (can't judge it myself). He lost top spot in best midfielder ranking to Ribery this weekend.