Jol to Hamburg now likely

Jon Stewart wrote:
But 5th in the EPL = 1st in the Bundesliga, so I expect him to be a major success there.

O RLY?

Unlike the EPL, it's not often that foreign managers win the league, and it definitely is not a precondition either...


List of all champion managers since the introduction of the new Bundesliga (1963):

1964 georg knöpfle (1.fc köln)
1965 willi multhaup (werder)
1966 max merkel (60)
1967 helmuth johannsen (braunschweig)
1968 max merkel (1.fcn)
1969 branko zebec (bayern)
1970 hennes weisweiler (gladbach)
1971 hennes weisweiler (gladbach)
1972 udo lattek (bayern)
1973 udo lattek (bayern)
1974 udo lattek (bayern)
1975 hennes weisweiler (gladbach)
1976 udo lattek (gladbach)
1977 udo lattek (gladbach)
1978 hennes weisweiler (1.fc köln)
1979 branko zebec (hsv)
1980 pal csernai (bayern)
1981 pal csernai (bayern)
1982 ernst happel (hsv)
1983 ernst happel (hsv)
1984 helmut benthaus (vfb)
1985 udo lattek (bayern)
1986 udo lattek (bayern)
1987 udo lattek (bayern)
1988 otto rehhagel (werder)
1989 jupp heynkes (bayern)
1990 jupp heynkes (bayern)
1991 karlheinz feldkamp (lautern)
1992 christoph daum (vfb)
1993 otto rehhagel (werder)
1994 franz beckenbauer (bayern)
1995 ottmar hitzfeld (bvb)
1996 ottmar hitzfeld (bvb)
1997 giovanni trapattoni (bayern)
1998 otto rehhagel (lautern)
1999 ottmar hitzfeld (bayern)
2000 ottmar hitzfeld (bayern)
2001 ottmar hitzfeld (bayern)
2002 matthias sammer (bvb)
2003 ottmar hitzfeld (bayern)
2004 thomas schaaf (werder)
2005 felix magath (bayern)
2006 felix magath (bayern)
2007 armin veh (vfb)
2008 ottmar hitzfeld (bayern)

26-Otto-19 wrote:

Jon Stewart wrote:

But 5th in the EPL = 1st in the Bundesliga, so I expect him to be a major success there.

right

just like major league Bundesliga Flop Santa Cruz = EVEN BIGGER FLOP in the tougher EPL

I've heard you reuse this one on a few occassions now.

Santa Cruz was a full Paraguyuan International striker with fine credentials at that level even when he was in the Bundesliga.

Therefore you should look at Bayern and their failings for why he was a "flop" (ie hardly played) with them, just like they are making a flop of Poldi at this very precise moment. Players wasting their abilities at Bayern seems to be a prevelant issue, whilst the club have gone nowhere in Europe since 2001.

.........actually, haven't you argued this before yourself? But I see it doesn't fit the Santa Cruz situation, so you'll selectively ignore it presumably

Great argument

Senor Woody wrote:

Therefore you should look at Bayern and their failings for why he was a "flop" (ie hardly played) with them, just like they are making a flop of Poldi at this very precise moment.

so you agree that Poldi is a world class talent , nearly destroyed by the club, when he could have taken the entire world by storm at , let's say, Spurs, Pool or ManPoo

Otto you loved Scheveningen when you went there... So, you'll be in Love with mr Jol's football philosophy as well

WG

A German in Scheveningen...that is never a good idea! Thats too much for them.

Yef wrote:A German in Scheveningen...that is never a good idea! Thats too much for them.

But as a Scheveninger you'll always have to deal with German hole diggers. He can take that German experience with him when he goes to Hamburg..

ric

I am just not sure what the Scheveningen connection means

are HSV beginning to DIG IN their heels

building castles around the penalty area

or merely playing Schoenwetterfussball

or are successes and defeats going to come in tides (could HSV become a yo-yo-club)

and will de Jong and Castelen now wear Speedos

the German mind boggles

Let's put it this way:

Everton (5th in the EPL) beat Zenit.

Bayern (1st in the Bundesliga) lost to Zenit.

26-Otto-19 wrote:

Senor Woody wrote:

Therefore you should look at Bayern and their failings for why he was a "flop" (ie hardly played) with them, just like they are making a flop of Poldi at this very precise moment.

so you agree that Poldi is a world class talent , nearly destroyed by the club, when he could have taken the entire world by storm at , let's say, Spurs, Pool or ManPoo

@Otto,

No, I'm just saying that the example of Santa Cruz proving the Bundesliga is a stronger league than the EPL (funny, I know) is confused.

Because by this reckoning Poldi is also a Bundesliga "flop", and ditto Klose, if we are basing it solely on their time at Bayern

So this doesn't say much about the strength of the league, more the failings of the club in question to get the best out of the talent at its disposal.

Santa Cruz would have thrived at any other club in Germany given half the chance.

He has excelled at Blackburn because he suits their system perfectly- a huuge percentage of his goals have come from Bentley/Pederson crosses into the box: being a big tall lad with good pace and technique, he suits the Premiership style perfectly.

Poldi could well do the same, become a success in the best league in Europe, but the question is- will he have the balls to make the move to a lower placed club in England? I doubt it

Poldi wanted to go to ManCity to escape Bayern but Munich needed a fourth striker on the bench

Jol will bring peace between TRWP and Otto because already in Deceber Otto will be Jol biggest fan after he made HSV herbstmeister....
And we all know the Herbstmeister will always win the title in Germany

Unfortunately not always, otherwise we would have won in 2006/2007.

blutgraetsche wrote:Unfortunately not always, otherwise we would have won in 2006/2007.

Rischtisch... Mer hat's gwinnet?

blutgraetsche wrote:Unfortunately not always, otherwise we would have won in 2006/2007.

Yeah that's right you are the exception that proves my point

anglophileHedgehog wrote:
Rischtisch... Mer hat's gwinnet?

You didn't win it, we lost it!

This thread is about the awesomeness of HSV and Jol..so please keep the loser talk in here

http://europeanboard.ephpbb.com/european-leagues-f4/werder-bremen-2007-2008-t15894.htm

I think he will win the league with them!!!!!

We'll talk again next year Fey. I'm very curious which ridiculous excuses for failure you'll have then.


HSV goes Dutch:

HSV and Stevens - FAILED

HSV and Jol - ...

blutgraetsche wrote:

We'll talk again next year Fey. I'm very curious which ridiculous excuses for failure you'll have then.


HSV goes Dutch:

HSV and Stevens - FAILED

HSV and Jol - ...

Stevens kept them up didn't he ?

He even got to play european football with them, when they were on the brink of relegation when he took over.

*that's* a failure ?

I know you lot expect a lot of Dutch managers, knowing how superior they are to the mindless Germans....but we've got to keep it realistic, ja

If Jol doesn't relegate HSV next year he'll have done a *superb* job : there's no material at all to work with over there.

The entire HSV board should be shot for being the most clueless bunch of saboteurs in the history of football (except for the Valencia players that is of course)

I'll just repost what I wrote earlier...again.

blutgraetsche wrote:
Just a small statistic to put the Dutch manager hype in the Bundesliga into perspective. Under Stevens, HSV have collected as many points in the second half of the this season as they did with Doll in that awful first half last year, when Hamburg were on a relegation spot, which forced them to sack him later on, and put Stevens in charge.

When Doll (!) took over, Hamburg were in the relegation zone, and he made them finish third in the league, their best season in ages.

Truly superior to those 'mindless Germans' indeed.

26-Otto-19 wrote:Poldi wanted to go to ManCity to escape Bayern but Munich needed a fourth striker on the bench

Since when did this transfer rumour become fact?

blutgraetsche wrote:I'll just repost what I wrote earlier...again.

blutgraetsche wrote:
Just a small statistic to put the Dutch manager hype in the Bundesliga into perspective. Under Stevens, HSV have collected as many points in the second half of the this season as they did with Doll in that awful first half last year, when Hamburg were on a relegation spot, which forced them to sack him later on, and put Stevens in charge.

When Doll (!) took over, Hamburg were in the relegation zone, and he made them finish third in the league, their best season in ages.

Truly superior to those 'mindless Germans' indeed.

axel will ignore this little fact for his life

his entire existence is built on the belief of Stevens being better than Doll and the best manager in the Bundesliga



@bernd

ManCity made a REAL offer to Poldi

the lad has confirmed that in various interviews

even Bayern spoke of this approach

ie: no rumour or speculation; it's real

Poldi was furious Bayern did not let him go because they needed a benchwarmer

BIG interview with Stevens about EVERYTHING

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/bundesliga/artikel/704/174184/

Don Leo wrote:So what about Jol's team? Zjelko -I-played-with-Maradona- Petrovic & Big Marty's bro C0ck.

Zjelko, who is a nice guy, also is 1 of the biggest ass-lickers in the world (luckily for him Marty has got a huge ass). He understands footy well though.

Picking an asslicker & your own bro as assistant reminds me a bit of the Dutch national team with Marco in charge with his mates as assistant. Don't like teams like that.

Zjelko the arselicker
"R.K.TSee Waalwaik ies egt goeweldiege kloeb. Ze sein allemaal main vrienden...."

Zjelko Petrovic played under Jol at RKC. Up there he already was his assistent (footballer plus assistent) so it is not surprising.

Well Hamburg won 7-0 this weekend

It looks like Jol and his team are so expensive, that there is no money left for transfers, unless players are sold that is...

http://www.bild.de/BILD/sport/fussball/bundesliga/vereine/hsv/2008/05/19/martin-jol/kommt-morgen-hamburg,geo=4568742.html

Well VDV will go anyways this summer i think. So you guys should have some money. Time for another Dutch i guess.

I seriously hope that you didn't mean me with "you guys" rossi...

But yes, they will most likely lose VDV this summer, still should get a good price for him, even if he can leave them for just €1.5m next year.

blutgraetsche wrote:I seriously hope that you didn't mean me with "you guys" rossi...

But yes, they will most likely lose VDV this summer, still should get a good price for him, even if he can leave them for just €1.5m next year.

I am sorry blut. I just saw the Hamburg emblem in your avatar and didnt even pay attention to its content and also forgot to look at your "supports" category. Hell how can i forget such a regular poster's team

Thats like saying to a Man Utd fan he supports Man City , though both will argue who is Man Utd and who is city.

The van der Vaart issue will be quite interesting indeed, considering that there aren't any offers for him so far.

Personally I hope he'll soon find himself a new club, which is willing pay a decent amount of money for him. I'm absolutely not in the mood for another "summer fuss".