Joe Hart

Khadrim wrote:

Senor Woody wrote:

DS wrote:

borocooper wrote:

Dwarf wrote:

borocooper wrote:WHHHEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRR

Stewie is standard now, no need to boast there. 2 goals for him.

Carrick without a place again

Huddlestone's ahead of him in the pecking order, must be gutting.

When you're not good enough, its always hard to take.

And you probably know that better then anyone , good lad.

No doubt Carrick must be devastated picking up his 2nd Champions medal- and becoming a firm fixture in the United first team - and not playing for this joke of an the England team.

Jagielka? Warnock?

I'm seriously considering supporting the Germans for good

Well England aren't in Euro 2008. But so what if he is picking lesser favoured players. Jagielka has been great for Everton.

Also Capello has seen quite a few Man U games now and yet Carrick still not being picked surely tells you something about his opinion of Carrick. Whichj happens to match mine that he is overrated.

Who overrates Carrick? Seriously?

What I love the most about England fans is their fickle nature. Moaning that we are incapable of ball retention, pulling our hair out that Gerrard is always playing the hollywood ball, having players who are blood and thunder but lacking technique.

Then when we have a player who is capable of holding possession, good passing, tactically astute, and playing successfully at the best club in the country, that isn't good enough because he doesnt score more goals or make enough lung bursting runs

Ny your logic: Capello seems to like Jenas - does that mean he is right and that Jenas is indeed a top class footballer who is underrated?

I'd prefer Carrick over Jenas at Spurs anyday of the year personally. And I've seen them both play for us on a number of occassions.

I worry about what exactly Capello is seeing that we are not.

Im sure one of my grandmothers is an eight Dutch....

debaser wrote:

Mattheus wrote:There was widespread bemusement at Carrick’s omission from the squad for the friendly defeat by France in March

I think the word is 'indifference'

No ‘bemusement’ is correct; personally I would have ‘confoundness’

Senor Woody wrote:

Khadrim wrote:

Senor Woody wrote:

DS wrote:

borocooper wrote:

Dwarf wrote:

borocooper wrote:WHHHEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRR

Stewie is standard now, no need to boast there. 2 goals for him.

Carrick without a place again

Huddlestone's ahead of him in the pecking order, must be gutting.

When you're not good enough, its always hard to take.

And you probably know that better then anyone , good lad.

No doubt Carrick must be devastated picking up his 2nd Champions medal- and becoming a firm fixture in the United first team - and not playing for this joke of an the England team.

Jagielka? Warnock?

I'm seriously considering supporting the Germans for good

Well England aren't in Euro 2008. But so what if he is picking lesser favoured players. Jagielka has been great for Everton.

Also Capello has seen quite a few Man U games now and yet Carrick still not being picked surely tells you something about his opinion of Carrick. Whichj happens to match mine that he is overrated.

Who overrates Carrick? Seriously?

Seriously?

I wonder..

Senor Woody wrote: What I love the most about England fans is their fickle nature. Moaning that we are incapable of ball retention, pulling our hair out that Gerrard is always playing the hollywood ball, having players who are blood and thunder but lacking technique.

Then when we have a player who is capable of holding possession, good passing, tactically astute, and playing successfully at the best club in the country, that isn't good enough because he doesnt score more goals or make enough lung bursting runs

No, we think he isn't good enough because whenever he's worn an England shirt he's looked poor.

borocooper wrote:

Senor Woody wrote:

Khadrim wrote:

Senor Woody wrote:

DS wrote:

borocooper wrote:

Dwarf wrote:

borocooper wrote:WHHHEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRR

Stewie is standard now, no need to boast there. 2 goals for him.

Carrick without a place again

Huddlestone's ahead of him in the pecking order, must be gutting.

When you're not good enough, its always hard to take.

And you probably know that better then anyone , good lad.

No doubt Carrick must be devastated picking up his 2nd Champions medal- and becoming a firm fixture in the United first team - and not playing for this joke of an the England team.

Jagielka? Warnock?

I'm seriously considering supporting the Germans for good

Well England aren't in Euro 2008. But so what if he is picking lesser favoured players. Jagielka has been great for Everton.

Also Capello has seen quite a few Man U games now and yet Carrick still not being picked surely tells you something about his opinion of Carrick. Whichj happens to match mine that he is overrated.

Who overrates Carrick? Seriously?

Seriously?

I wonder..

Is this board anything like real life though? A lot of us on here rate him, and as soon as more than one person starts rating someone on here, they become "overrated"

But in real life - I dont know many people who overrate him. He doesnt score enough goals, therefore doesn't make it onto the MOTD highlights package, therefore your average armchair fan doesn't even know he exists.

The point that he isn't in the England team is pretty much moot now - When Huddlestone and Jenas are in there (whom have had okayish seasons, but nothing special), and Carrick isn't, well, its amusing as a Spurs fan, but pretty worrying as an England one.

Senor Woody wrote:

borocooper wrote:

Senor Woody wrote:

Khadrim wrote:

Senor Woody wrote:

DS wrote:

borocooper wrote:

Dwarf wrote:

borocooper wrote:WHHHEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRR

Stewie is standard now, no need to boast there. 2 goals for him.

Carrick without a place again

Huddlestone's ahead of him in the pecking order, must be gutting.

When you're not good enough, its always hard to take.

And you probably know that better then anyone , good lad.

No doubt Carrick must be devastated picking up his 2nd Champions medal- and becoming a firm fixture in the United first team - and not playing for this joke of an the England team.

Jagielka? Warnock?

I'm seriously considering supporting the Germans for good

Well England aren't in Euro 2008. But so what if he is picking lesser favoured players. Jagielka has been great for Everton.

Also Capello has seen quite a few Man U games now and yet Carrick still not being picked surely tells you something about his opinion of Carrick. Whichj happens to match mine that he is overrated.

Who overrates Carrick? Seriously?

Seriously?

I wonder..

Is this board anything like real life though? A lot of us on here rate him, and as soon as more than one person starts rating someone on here, they become "overrated"

But in real life - I dont know many people who overrate him. He doesnt score enough goals, therefore doesn't make it onto the MOTD highlights package, therefore your average armchair fan doesn't even know he exists.

The point that he isn't in the England team is pretty much moot now - When Huddlestone and Jenas are in there (whom have had okayish seasons, but nothing special), and Carrick isn't, well, its amusing as a Spurs fan, but pretty worrying as an England one.

Hasnt Rai just posted something saying the reason he wasnt picked is that he's injured?

"Huddlestone has also been selected because Michael Carrick is unavailable, and it is understood that the United man may need an operation this summer to cure a knee problem"

You want him picked despite being injured? Talk about being overrated.

Roger Hunt wrote:

Senor Woody wrote: What I love the most about England fans is their fickle nature. Moaning that we are incapable of ball retention, pulling our hair out that Gerrard is always playing the hollywood ball, having players who are blood and thunder but lacking technique.

Then when we have a player who is capable of holding possession, good passing, tactically astute, and playing successfully at the best club in the country, that isn't good enough because he doesnt score more goals or make enough lung bursting runs

No, we think he isn't good enough because whenever he's worn an England shirt he's looked poor.

Are we talking about Gerrard?

borocooper wrote:

Senor Woody wrote:

borocooper wrote:

Senor Woody wrote:

Khadrim wrote:

Senor Woody wrote:

DS wrote:

borocooper wrote:

Dwarf wrote:

borocooper wrote:WHHHEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRR

Stewie is standard now, no need to boast there. 2 goals for him.

Carrick without a place again

Huddlestone's ahead of him in the pecking order, must be gutting.

When you're not good enough, its always hard to take.

And you probably know that better then anyone , good lad.

No doubt Carrick must be devastated picking up his 2nd Champions medal- and becoming a firm fixture in the United first team - and not playing for this joke of an the England team.

Jagielka? Warnock?

I'm seriously considering supporting the Germans for good

Well England aren't in Euro 2008. But so what if he is picking lesser favoured players. Jagielka has been great for Everton.

Also Capello has seen quite a few Man U games now and yet Carrick still not being picked surely tells you something about his opinion of Carrick. Whichj happens to match mine that he is overrated.

Who overrates Carrick? Seriously?

Seriously?

I wonder..

Is this board anything like real life though? A lot of us on here rate him, and as soon as more than one person starts rating someone on here, they become "overrated"

But in real life - I dont know many people who overrate him. He doesnt score enough goals, therefore doesn't make it onto the MOTD highlights package, therefore your average armchair fan doesn't even know he exists.

The point that he isn't in the England team is pretty much moot now - When Huddlestone and Jenas are in there (whom have had okayish seasons, but nothing special), and Carrick isn't, well, its amusing as a Spurs fan, but pretty worrying as an England one.

Hasnt Rai just posted something saying the reason he wasnt picked is that he's injured?

"Huddlestone has also been selected because Michael Carrick is unavailable, and it is understood that the United man may need an operation this summer to cure a knee problem"

You want him picked despite being injured? Talk about being overrated.

A Dutchie knows more about the England team than you and I. It really is time to jump ship.

Can anyone post me a link to where I can purchase the new Dutch top, preferably in time for the Euros?

Senor Woody wrote:

Khadrim wrote:

Senor Woody wrote:

DS wrote:

borocooper wrote:

Dwarf wrote:

borocooper wrote:WHHHEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRR

Stewie is standard now, no need to boast there. 2 goals for him.

Carrick without a place again

Huddlestone's ahead of him in the pecking order, must be gutting.

When you're not good enough, its always hard to take.

And you probably know that better then anyone , good lad.

No doubt Carrick must be devastated picking up his 2nd Champions medal- and becoming a firm fixture in the United first team - and not playing for this joke of an the England team.

Jagielka? Warnock?

I'm seriously considering supporting the Germans for good

Well England aren't in Euro 2008. But so what if he is picking lesser favoured players. Jagielka has been great for Everton.

Also Capello has seen quite a few Man U games now and yet Carrick still not being picked surely tells you something about his opinion of Carrick. Whichj happens to match mine that he is overrated.

Who overrates Carrick? Seriously?

What I love the most about England fans is their fickle nature. Moaning that we are incapable of ball retention, pulling our hair out that Gerrard is always playing the hollywood ball, having players who are blood and thunder but lacking technique.

Then when we have a player who is capable of holding possession, good passing, tactically astute, and playing successfully at the best club in the country, that isn't good enough because he doesnt score more goals or make enough lung bursting runs

Ny your logic: Capello seems to like Jenas - does that mean he is right and that Jenas is indeed a top class footballer who is underrated?

I'd prefer Carrick over Jenas at Spurs anyday of the year personally. And I've seen them both play for us on a number of occassions.

I worry about what exactly Capello is seeing that we are not.

Im sure one of my grandmothers is an eight Dutch....

Does that answer your question.

Jenas I don't think is fightng for a position with Carrick, they are different type of players. He is fighting with Barry and Huddlestone. And Carrick is lightweight. In which I would argue Barry is better at holding possession, passing, and being tactically astute. Huddlestone is a better passer.

Also if you are supporting Germany go back to the game between England and Germany at wembley to see why I am not shedding any tears as to why Carrick isn't in the squad.

And where was Barry against Russia and Croatia? Everyone has their bad games.

Would have made sense for Don Fabio to give him a chance in the new setup in the two previous squads.

Khadrim wrote:

Senor Woody wrote:

Khadrim wrote:

Senor Woody wrote:

DS wrote:

borocooper wrote:

Dwarf wrote:

borocooper wrote:WHHHEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRR

Stewie is standard now, no need to boast there. 2 goals for him.

Carrick without a place again

Huddlestone's ahead of him in the pecking order, must be gutting.

When you're not good enough, its always hard to take.

And you probably know that better then anyone , good lad.

No doubt Carrick must be devastated picking up his 2nd Champions medal- and becoming a firm fixture in the United first team - and not playing for this joke of an the England team.

Jagielka? Warnock?

I'm seriously considering supporting the Germans for good

Well England aren't in Euro 2008. But so what if he is picking lesser favoured players. Jagielka has been great for Everton.

Also Capello has seen quite a few Man U games now and yet Carrick still not being picked surely tells you something about his opinion of Carrick. Whichj happens to match mine that he is overrated.

Who overrates Carrick? Seriously?

What I love the most about England fans is their fickle nature. Moaning that we are incapable of ball retention, pulling our hair out that Gerrard is always playing the hollywood ball, having players who are blood and thunder but lacking technique.

Then when we have a player who is capable of holding possession, good passing, tactically astute, and playing successfully at the best club in the country, that isn't good enough because he doesnt score more goals or make enough lung bursting runs

Ny your logic: Capello seems to like Jenas - does that mean he is right and that Jenas is indeed a top class footballer who is underrated?

I'd prefer Carrick over Jenas at Spurs anyday of the year personally. And I've seen them both play for us on a number of occassions.

I worry about what exactly Capello is seeing that we are not.

Im sure one of my grandmothers is an eight Dutch....

Does that answer your question.

Jenas I don't think is fightng for a position with Carrick, they are different type of players. He is fighting with Barry and Huddlestone. And Carrick is lightweight. In which I would argue Barry is better at holding possession, passing, and being tactically astute. Huddlestone is a better passer.

Also if you are supporting Germany go back to the game between England and Germany at wembley to see why I am not shedding any tears as to why Carrick isn't in the squad.

And why do you think Barry is still at Villa? Barry a better passer or technically astute thats why he plays with Reo Coker as the destroyer because he cant mark players ? better at holding possesion ?
Yeah right.

Well he might go to Liverpool in the summer so that'll be the end of the first part of that argument..

And be what ? a squad player specially if Alonso dont move or Rafa decides to buy a no 10 or a good striker.

We'll see..he'll be rotated sure, but a squad player? Arent they all?

Senor Woody wrote:

Roger Hunt wrote:

Senor Woody wrote: What I love the most about England fans is their fickle nature. Moaning that we are incapable of ball retention, pulling our hair out that Gerrard is always playing the hollywood ball, having players who are blood and thunder but lacking technique.

Then when we have a player who is capable of holding possession, good passing, tactically astute, and playing successfully at the best club in the country, that isn't good enough because he doesnt score more goals or make enough lung bursting runs

No, we think he isn't good enough because whenever he's worn an England shirt he's looked poor.

Are we talking about Gerrard?

Beat me to it.

borocooper wrote:We'll see..he'll be rotated sure, but a squad player? Arent they all?

Some more pivotal then others.

They have different strengths. Carrick's key attributes are passing/keeping possession, whereas Barry is more of an all-rounder - better at set-pieces, better defensive awareness (being an ex-defender after all), scores more goals, etc.

Would Barry be out of place in the Man Utd team? His England performances suggest not - he's a smart and adaptable player who fits into different roles as necessary.

Would Carrick be an improvement on Barry in the Villa team? I do not believe so, but that is as much about their different qualities as it being about who is the 'better' player (although, clearly Barry>Carrick)

I agree they have different qualities , would Barry be out of place at Man Utd yes because he is a all round player decent at everything but good at nothing where to play him could he played beside Scholes nope defensively not good enough.

Good at nothing?

Harsh.

What exactly ?
He's a good all round player but he excels in what?

Good passer..good at free kicks..good crosser.

DS wrote:I agree they have different qualities , would Barry be out of place at Man Utd yes because he is a all round player decent at everything but good at nothing where to play him could he played beside Scholes nope defensively not good enough.

He's an all-rounder who can play as a more straightforward DM (this is what he did for England alongside Gerrard). Defensively he's excellent, better than Carrick no question - he played as a defender for 5 years! It's just for Villa he is better given a bit more freedom to go forward and use the ball without having to worry as much about defence - which is why we play him alongside ReoCoker, who can do the dirty work.

Better passer then Carrick ? no
Crosser I dont think so.
Young takes better fk.

DS wrote:What exactly ?
He's a good all round player but he excels in what?

He excels in left-footedness and being under-rated

DS wrote:Better passer then Carrick ? no
Crosser I dont think so.
Young takes better fk.

Worse passer than Carrick? I wouldnt say so..

He's a good crosser, dont see how that can be denied..

Young takes better free kicks..this means Barry is bad at them?

debaser wrote:

DS wrote:I agree they have different qualities , would Barry be out of place at Man Utd yes because he is a all round player decent at everything but good at nothing where to play him could he played beside Scholes nope defensively not good enough.

He's an all-rounder who can play as a more straightforward DM (this is what he did for England alongside Gerrard). Defensively he's excellent, better than Carrick no question - he played as a defender for 5 years! It's just for Villa he is better given a bit more freedom to go forward and use the ball without having to worry as much about defence - which is why we play him alongside ReoCoker, who can do the dirty work.

Playing defender doesnt make you a great dm sorry ,no hes not Carrick proved it at a much higher level , his marking and game reading isnt better then Carrick ,if he was that good you would have played an attacking midfielder along side him to give you more options.

debaser wrote:

DS wrote:What exactly ?
He's a good all round player but he excels in what?

He excels in left-footedness and being under-rated

Some players are so underrated that they are over rated.

DS wrote:

debaser wrote:

DS wrote:What exactly ?
He's a good all round player but he excels in what?

He excels in left-footedness and being under-rated

Some players are so underrated that they are over rated.

Like Carrick

Head to head this season, Carrick won the midfield battle.

Maybe one day he can battle his way into the England side