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borocooper wrote:Maybe one day he can battle his way into the England side
After he plays an integral role in his team winning the European Cup
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After he plays an integral role in his team winning the European Cup
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Good luck to him.
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Carrick will play in the Stadium where Barry was found out in international football. Maybe Carrick will have better luck than Barry 
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Doubtful since he wont be playing international football.
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It's Utd vs Villa. Switch the players around and I daresay Barry would have won the midfield battle. It's kind of easier to do when you're in a better team.Mattheus wrote:Head to head this season, Carrick won the midfield battle.
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debaser wrote:It's Utd vs Villa. Switch the players around and I daresay Barry would have won the midfield battle. It's kind of easier to do when you're in a better team.Mattheus wrote:Head to head this season, Carrick won the midfield battle.
Barry is as you and many have said the ‘better player’, then why is he not at the better club?
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Mattheus wrote:debaser wrote:It's Utd vs Villa. Switch the players around and I daresay Barry would have won the midfield battle. It's kind of easier to do when you're in a better team.Mattheus wrote:Head to head this season, Carrick won the midfield battle.
Barry is as you and many have said the ‘better player’, then why is he not at the better club?
Not as much hype
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this is such nonsense. Do we use this criteria for every player at international level...one below-average game (where he was far from the worse player!) and you've been "found out".Mattheus wrote:Carrick will play in the Stadium where Barry was found out in international football. Maybe Carrick will have better luck than Barry
How many times has Rooney been "found out"? or Gerrard? or Carrick?
It's just nonsense
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debaser wrote:this is such nonsense. Do we use this criteria for every player at international level...one below-average game (where he was far from the worse player!) and you've been "found out".Mattheus wrote:Carrick will play in the Stadium where Barry was found out in international football. Maybe Carrick will have better luck than Barry
How many times has Rooney been "found out"? or Gerrard? or Carrick?
It's just nonsense
Man Utd fans and their nonsense.
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We're comparing the players not the clubs. I've already stated that I think Barry is good enough to play for Utd, Benitez thinks he's good enough to play for Liverpool, Capello thinks he's good enough to play for England.Mattheus wrote:debaser wrote:It's Utd vs Villa. Switch the players around and I daresay Barry would have won the midfield battle. It's kind of easier to do when you're in a better team.Mattheus wrote:Head to head this season, Carrick won the midfield battle.
Barry is as you and many have said the ‘better player’, then why is he not at the better club?
Why did Carrick (only six months younger than Barry) spend all of his career up until 2 years ago playing at worse clubs than Villa?
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debaser wrote:We're comparing the players not the clubs. I've already stated that I think Barry is good enough to play for Utd, Benitez thinks he's good enough to play for Liverpool, Capello thinks he's good enough to play for England.Mattheus wrote:debaser wrote:It's Utd vs Villa. Switch the players around and I daresay Barry would have won the midfield battle. It's kind of easier to do when you're in a better team.Mattheus wrote:Head to head this season, Carrick won the midfield battle.
Barry is as you and many have said the ‘better player’, then why is he not at the better club?
Why did Carrick (only six months younger than Barry) spend all of his career up until 2 years ago playing at worse clubs than Villa?
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debaser wrote:We're comparing the players not the clubs. I've already stated that I think Barry is good enough to play for Utd, Benitez thinks he's good enough to play for Liverpool, Capello thinks he's good enough to play for England.Mattheus wrote:debaser wrote:It's Utd vs Villa. Switch the players around and I daresay Barry would have won the midfield battle. It's kind of easier to do when you're in a better team.Mattheus wrote:Head to head this season, Carrick won the midfield battle.
Barry is as you and many have said the ‘better player’, then why is he not at the better club?
Why did Carrick (only six months younger than Barry) spend all of his career up until 2 years ago playing at worse clubs than Villa?
You compared the players and come to the conclusion that Barry is the better player, so why hasn’t any of the ‘better’ clubs than Villa taken a chance on him? I would have to disagree with you on Barry getting into the Manchester United team, maybe he could be cover for Evra.
Carrick came through the West Ham academy and had a sense of loyalty to stay at the club, SAF actually wanted to bring him to the club when he was at West Ham.
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A sense of loyalty that concluded with him signing for their biggest rivals?
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borocooper wrote:A sense of loyalty that concluded with him signing for their biggest rivals?
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borocooper wrote:A sense of loyalty that concluded with him signing for their biggest rivals?
You can say the same for Joe Cole (moving to Chelsea), unlike Carrick who stayed with the Hammers when they went down and when they failed to get back into the league, he decided he wanted to further his progress and move to Spurs which I believe was the only club interested in him?
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I don't know. They probably have. There was lots of interest when he was wowing the premiership with his assuredness as a 17 year old defender, but he ended up getting shunted about a bit by previous managers, got tagged with the 'Mr Versatility' thing, which isn't always great.Mattheus wrote:You compared the players and come to the conclusion that Barry is the better player, so why hasn’t any of the ‘better’ clubs than Villa taken a chance on him? I would have to disagree with you on Barry getting into the Manchester United team, maybe he could be cover for Evra.
He's a much better now than he was 5 years ago and he is getting interest from better clubs. So it goes.
I wasn't saying he'd be an auto-starter for Utd, just saying he would not be at all out of place if, say, he and Carrick were swapped.
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What were Villa doing before Lerner ?debaser wrote:We're comparing the players not the clubs. I've already stated that I think Barry is good enough to play for Utd, Benitez thinks he's good enough to play for Liverpool, Capello thinks he's good enough to play for England.Mattheus wrote:debaser wrote:It's Utd vs Villa. Switch the players around and I daresay Barry would have won the midfield battle. It's kind of easier to do when you're in a better team.Mattheus wrote:Head to head this season, Carrick won the midfield battle.
Barry is as you and many have said the ‘better player’, then why is he not at the better club?
Why did Carrick (only six months younger than Barry) spend all of his career up until 2 years ago playing at worse clubs than Villa?
Villa better then Spurs? Where was Barry 3 seasons ago?
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Mattheus wrote:borocooper wrote:A sense of loyalty that concluded with him signing for their biggest rivals?
You can say the same for Joe Cole (moving to Chelsea), unlike Carrick who stayed with the Hammers when they went down and when they failed to get back into the league, he decided he wanted to further his progress and move to Spurs which I believe was the only club interested in him?
Well I would say the same for Joe Cole if anyone was to suggest he was loyal to West Ham yes. Only Spurs interested in such a good player? I thought Man Utd wanted to take him from West Ham?
Stop the lies Rai, I cant take it anymore.
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What's that you say? Carrick got relegated? Interestingly, Gareth Barry has never helped his club get relegatedMattheus wrote:borocooper wrote:A sense of loyalty that concluded with him signing for their biggest rivals?
You can say the same for Joe Cole (moving to Chelsea), unlike Carrick who stayed with the Hammers when they went down and when they failed to get back into the league, he decided he wanted to further his progress and move to Spurs which I believe was the only club interested in him?
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He would as he would be a hindrance as he cant set the tempo , cant dictate the pace and cant play the one man defense in an attacking Man Utd team.debaser wrote:I don't know. They probably have. There was lots of interest when he was wowing the premiership with his assuredness as a 17 year old defender, but he ended up getting shunted about a bit by previous managers, got tagged with the 'Mr Versatility' thing, which isn't always great.Mattheus wrote:You compared the players and come to the conclusion that Barry is the better player, so why hasn’t any of the ‘better’ clubs than Villa taken a chance on him? I would have to disagree with you on Barry getting into the Manchester United team, maybe he could be cover for Evra.
He's a much better now than he was 5 years ago and he is getting interest from better clubs. So it goes.
I wasn't saying he'd be an auto-starter for Utd, just saying he would not be at all out of place if, say, he and Carrick were swapped.
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debaser wrote:What's that you say? Carrick got relegated? Interestingly, Gareth Barry has never helped his club get relegatedMattheus wrote:borocooper wrote:A sense of loyalty that concluded with him signing for their biggest rivals?
You can say the same for Joe Cole (moving to Chelsea), unlike Carrick who stayed with the Hammers when they went down and when they failed to get back into the league, he decided he wanted to further his progress and move to Spurs which I believe was the only club interested in him?
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borocooper wrote:Mattheus wrote:borocooper wrote:A sense of loyalty that concluded with him signing for their biggest rivals?
You can say the same for Joe Cole (moving to Chelsea), unlike Carrick who stayed with the Hammers when they went down and when they failed to get back into the league, he decided he wanted to further his progress and move to Spurs which I believe was the only club interested in him?
Well I would say the same for Joe Cole if anyone was to suggest he was loyal to West Ham yes. Only Spurs interested in such a good player? I thought Man Utd wanted to take him from West Ham?
Stop the lies Rai, I cant take it anymore.
Look back then the midfield at OT was full, it wasn’t until Keane left did SAF rekindle his interest.
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Since the start of the Premiership Spurs have only finished above Villa 4 or 5 times - mostly in recent years, although it's been back to normal this season. I was being slightly tongue-in-cheek with this (hence the wink) as I know Spurs were in a good spell when Carrick was there, while Villa were in O'Leary death throes.DS wrote:What were Villa doing before Lerner ?debaser wrote:We're comparing the players not the clubs. I've already stated that I think Barry is good enough to play for Utd, Benitez thinks he's good enough to play for Liverpool, Capello thinks he's good enough to play for England.Mattheus wrote:debaser wrote:It's Utd vs Villa. Switch the players around and I daresay Barry would have won the midfield battle. It's kind of easier to do when you're in a better team.Mattheus wrote:Head to head this season, Carrick won the midfield battle.
Barry is as you and many have said the ‘better player’, then why is he not at the better club?
Why did Carrick (only six months younger than Barry) spend all of his career up until 2 years ago playing at worse clubs than Villa?
Villa better then Spurs? Where was Barry 3 seasons ago?
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debaser wrote:What's that you say? Carrick got relegated? Interestingly, Gareth Barry has never helped his club get relegatedMattheus wrote:borocooper wrote:A sense of loyalty that concluded with him signing for their biggest rivals?
You can say the same for Joe Cole (moving to Chelsea), unlike Carrick who stayed with the Hammers when they went down and when they failed to get back into the league, he decided he wanted to further his progress and move to Spurs which I believe was the only club interested in him?
Villa was 3pts from the drop in the season West Ham were relegated, did Barry play much in the 2002/03 season.
Carrick has helped his side finish 5th once .. and Champions yesterday
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Mattheus wrote:borocooper wrote:Mattheus wrote:borocooper wrote:A sense of loyalty that concluded with him signing for their biggest rivals?
You can say the same for Joe Cole (moving to Chelsea), unlike Carrick who stayed with the Hammers when they went down and when they failed to get back into the league, he decided he wanted to further his progress and move to Spurs which I believe was the only club interested in him?
Well I would say the same for Joe Cole if anyone was to suggest he was loyal to West Ham yes. Only Spurs interested in such a good player? I thought Man Utd wanted to take him from West Ham?
Stop the lies Rai, I cant take it anymore.
Look back then the midfield at OT was full, it wasn’t until Keane left did SAF rekindle his interest.
So what was he planning on doing with him the first time round? Horrific amount of lies in this thread from Rai.
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DS wrote:He would as he would be a hindrance as he cant set the tempo , cant dictate the pace and cant play the one man defense in an attacking Man Utd team.debaser wrote:I don't know. They probably have. There was lots of interest when he was wowing the premiership with his assuredness as a 17 year old defender, but he ended up getting shunted about a bit by previous managers, got tagged with the 'Mr Versatility' thing, which isn't always great.Mattheus wrote:You compared the players and come to the conclusion that Barry is the better player, so why hasn’t any of the ‘better’ clubs than Villa taken a chance on him? I would have to disagree with you on Barry getting into the Manchester United team, maybe he could be cover for Evra.
He's a much better now than he was 5 years ago and he is getting interest from better clubs. So it goes.
I wasn't saying he'd be an auto-starter for Utd, just saying he would not be at all out of place if, say, he and Carrick were swapped.
All this is rubbish as he did exactly that against Russia in an attacking England team at wembley. Something Carrick couldn't do against a second string Germany team. Whether Barry could do this in a Man U team is redundant as we will never know.
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He cant set the tempo when Aston Villa plays a team with a decent midfield like Liverpool,Arsenal,Chelsea,us etc so what proof he would be doing it at Man Utd.
Attacking England are like attacking Man Utd ?come on please.
And he did what there ?
Attacking England are like attacking Man Utd ?come on please.
And he did what there ?
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borocooper wrote:Mattheus wrote:borocooper wrote:Mattheus wrote:borocooper wrote:A sense of loyalty that concluded with him signing for their biggest rivals?
You can say the same for Joe Cole (moving to Chelsea), unlike Carrick who stayed with the Hammers when they went down and when they failed to get back into the league, he decided he wanted to further his progress and move to Spurs which I believe was the only club interested in him?
Well I would say the same for Joe Cole if anyone was to suggest he was loyal to West Ham yes. Only Spurs interested in such a good player? I thought Man Utd wanted to take him from West Ham?
Stop the lies Rai, I cant take it anymore.
Look back then the midfield at OT was full, it wasn’t until Keane left did SAF rekindle his interest.
So what was he planning on doing with him the first time round? Horrific amount of lies in this thread from Rai.
How am I supposed to know, just a interview SAF gave last month when he was praising Carricks level of consistency and progress at Manchester United this season that he wanted to sign him when he was at West Ham but felt back then wasn’t the right time, but he admired the player hence he signed him. Even you can’t deny Carricks form this year, make all the jokes you like he is a key member of the English Champions if he is not good enough for England then so be it, but all we wonder is why he is not given a chance especially when the first two squads were announced. The likes of Gerrard, Hargreaves, Joe Cole, Scholes, Rooney and Ronaldo can’t be wrong when they rate Carrick
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Looky here, leave this thread for a couple of hours and its descended into a chaotic Barry Vs Carrick debate 
I personally have never for one second said Carrick is necessarily better than Barry. I like them both.
But cockscrubbers like Cooper are forcing a point simply for the sake of it.
Unless they REALLY believe that Carrick isn't good enough to make the England squad, which, if true, means I will struggle to take them seriously. Ever. Again. Boo hoo for them I hear you say. Well I might be that important vote they miss out on at the annual "Poster of the Year" awards, which will leave them swimming in a sea of misery and public humiliation
I personally have never for one second said Carrick is necessarily better than Barry. I like them both.
But cockscrubbers like Cooper are forcing a point simply for the sake of it.
Unless they REALLY believe that Carrick isn't good enough to make the England squad, which, if true, means I will struggle to take them seriously. Ever. Again. Boo hoo for them I hear you say. Well I might be that important vote they miss out on at the annual "Poster of the Year" awards, which will leave them swimming in a sea of misery and public humiliation
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Mattheus wrote:borocooper wrote:Mattheus wrote:borocooper wrote:Mattheus wrote:borocooper wrote:A sense of loyalty that concluded with him signing for their biggest rivals?
You can say the same for Joe Cole (moving to Chelsea), unlike Carrick who stayed with the Hammers when they went down and when they failed to get back into the league, he decided he wanted to further his progress and move to Spurs which I believe was the only club interested in him?
Well I would say the same for Joe Cole if anyone was to suggest he was loyal to West Ham yes. Only Spurs interested in such a good player? I thought Man Utd wanted to take him from West Ham?
Stop the lies Rai, I cant take it anymore.
Look back then the midfield at OT was full, it wasn’t until Keane left did SAF rekindle his interest.
So what was he planning on doing with him the first time round? Horrific amount of lies in this thread from Rai.
How am I supposed to know, just a interview SAF gave last month when he was praising Carricks level of consistency and progress at Manchester United this season that he wanted to sign him when he was at West Ham but felt back then wasn’t the right time, but he admired the player hence he signed him. Even you can’t deny Carricks form this year, make all the jokes you like he is a key member of the English Champions if he is not good enough for England then so be it, but all we wonder is why he is not given a chance especially when the first two squads were announced. The likes of Gerrard, Hargreaves, Joe Cole, Scholes, Rooney and Ronaldo can’t be wrong when they rate Carrick
He's been good for you no doubts...but he's never been good for England, this cannot be denied. Barry has.
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