Joe Hart

Senor Woody wrote:Looky here, I leave this thread for a couple of hours and its descended into a chaotic Barry Vs Carrick debate

I've never for one second said Carrick is necessarily better than Barry, I like them both.

But cockscrubbers like Cooper are forcing a point simply for the sake of it.

Unless they REALLY believe that Carrick isn't good enough to make the England squad, which, if true, means I will struggle to take them seriously. Ever. Again. Boo hoo for them I hear you say. Well I might be that important vote they miss out on at the annual "Poster of the Year" awards, which will leave them swimming in a sea of misery and public humiliation

DS wrote:

debaser wrote:

Mattheus wrote:You compared the players and come to the conclusion that Barry is the better player, so why hasn’t any of the ‘better’ clubs than Villa taken a chance on him? I would have to disagree with you on Barry getting into the Manchester United team, maybe he could be cover for Evra.

I don't know. They probably have. There was lots of interest when he was wowing the premiership with his assuredness as a 17 year old defender, but he ended up getting shunted about a bit by previous managers, got tagged with the 'Mr Versatility' thing, which isn't always great.

He's a much better now than he was 5 years ago and he is getting interest from better clubs. So it goes.

I wasn't saying he'd be an auto-starter for Utd, just saying he would not be at all out of place if, say, he and Carrick were swapped.

He would as he would be a hindrance as he cant set the tempo , cant dictate the pace and cant play the one man defense in an attacking Man Utd team.

Mattheus wrote:Under Sven and McClown maybe so, this season he has grown as a player and playing the form of his live, why can’t he be given a chance under Don Fabio, England now seem to play 4-2-3-1?

debaser wrote:

DS wrote:

debaser wrote:

Mattheus wrote:You compared the players and come to the conclusion that Barry is the better player, so why hasn’t any of the ‘better’ clubs than Villa taken a chance on him? I would have to disagree with you on Barry getting into the Manchester United team, maybe he could be cover for Evra.

I don't know. They probably have. There was lots of interest when he was wowing the premiership with his assuredness as a 17 year old defender, but he ended up getting shunted about a bit by previous managers, got tagged with the 'Mr Versatility' thing, which isn't always great.

He's a much better now than he was 5 years ago and he is getting interest from better clubs. So it goes.

I wasn't saying he'd be an auto-starter for Utd, just saying he would not be at all out of place if, say, he and Carrick were swapped.

He would as he would be a hindrance as he cant set the tempo , cant dictate the pace and cant play the one man defense in an attacking Man Utd team.

Barry could play that role for Utd in my opinion. He is, in my view, a better reader of the game defensively than Carrick. Doesn't have much pace, but then nor does Carrick.. both have good stamina/work ethic to cover the ground.

He sets the tempo for Villa (we like it fast, sometimes switching it up to WARP SPEED ). I already said I think Carrick is better at long passing/possession - that is his strength - but Barry is not weak in these areas, he is still well above average for a Premiership player, and coupled with his better defensive instincts, goalscoring, crossing and set piece ability, I think he'd do fine for Utd, or any of the top 4.

Parks lives wrote:That is the problem Rai. I'll argue with people about his performances for Man United but for England he was gash, plus he never attempted to stamp his authority on a game.

Senor Woody wrote:Looky here, leave this thread for a couple of hours and its descended into a chaotic Barry Vs Carrick debate

I personally have never for one second said Carrick is necessarily better than Barry. I like them both.

But cockscrubbers like Cooper are forcing a point simply for the sake of it.

Unless they REALLY believe that Carrick isn't good enough to make the England squad, which, if true, means I will struggle to take them seriously. Ever. Again. Boo hoo for them I hear you say. Well I might be that important vote they miss out on at the annual "Poster of the Year" awards, which will leave them swimming in a sea of misery and public humiliation

Mattheus wrote:

debaser wrote:

Mattheus wrote:

borocooper wrote:A sense of loyalty that concluded with him signing for their biggest rivals?

You can say the same for Joe Cole (moving to Chelsea), unlike Carrick who stayed with the Hammers when they went down and when they failed to get back into the league, he decided he wanted to further his progress and move to Spurs which I believe was the only club interested in him?

What's that you say? Carrick got relegated? Interestingly, Gareth Barry has never helped his club get relegated

Villa was 3pts from the drop in the season West Ham were relegated, did Barry play much in the 2002/03 season.

Carrick has helped his side finish 5th once .. and Champions yesterday

DS wrote:As this is going nowhere I am happy Carrick isnt being considered for England and this direct comparison is probably bollocks.

Parks lives wrote:That is the problem Rai. I'll argue with people about his performances for Man United but for England he was gash, plus he never attempted to stamp his authority on a game.

My only gripe is you can say the same about alot of English players.

borocooper wrote:

Senor Woody wrote:Looky here, I leave this thread for a couple of hours and its descended into a chaotic Barry Vs Carrick debate

I've never for one second said Carrick is necessarily better than Barry, I like them both.

But cockscrubbers like Cooper are forcing a point simply for the sake of it.

Unless they REALLY believe that Carrick isn't good enough to make the England squad, which, if true, means I will struggle to take them seriously. Ever. Again. Boo hoo for them I hear you say. Well I might be that important vote they miss out on at the annual "Poster of the Year" awards, which will leave them swimming in a sea of misery and public humiliation

Other posters are saying Carrick is better than Barry..to the point where Barry is "good at NOTHING", Pele. NOTHING.

Roger Hunt wrote:Don't see what the fuss is all about tbh.

We all agree that Gerrard, and Lampard play better for their clubs than England. I'd probably include Rooney and Scholes in that category too.

Barry has looked a better player to me that Carrick while in an England shirt. Don't know why, but he has. On that basis I'd pick Hargreaves and Barry for the 'defensive' central midfield roles, and Lampard and Gerrard for the attacking ones. Carrick wouldn't get picked.

Of course, if Barry or Hargreaves starts underperforming, Carrick gets a call-up. Yes?

borocooper wrote:I'd rather scrub my C0ck than have a dirty one like you

Senor Woody wrote:

borocooper wrote:I'd rather scrub my C0ck than have a dirty one like you

Unlucky for you that you scrub other men's c0cks clean too

Roger Hunt wrote:Don't see what the fuss is all about tbh.

We all agree that Gerrard, and Lampard play better for their clubs than England. I'd probably include Rooney and Scholes in that category too.

Barry has looked a better player to me that Carrick while in an England shirt. Don't know why, but he has. On that basis I'd pick Hargreaves and Barry for the 'defensive' central midfield roles, and Lampard and Gerrard for the attacking ones. Carrick wouldn't get picked.

Of course, if Barry or Hargreaves starts underperforming, Carrick gets a call-up. Yes?

borocooper wrote:

Senor Woody wrote:

borocooper wrote:I'd rather scrub my C0ck than have a dirty one like you

Unlucky for you that you scrub other men's c0cks clean too

Terrible thing to say, dirty dick.

Roger Hunt wrote:Eh? drop an attacking midfielder and play Carrick instead? He'll look even more of a useless c**t than usual.

If Gerrard and Lampard aren't performing then J Cole should be playing in the middle and Downing brought in on the left.

Or perhaps as none of our strikers have been great, we should play 4-6-0 to get Carrick on the pitch?

Senor Woody wrote:

borocooper wrote:

Senor Woody wrote:

borocooper wrote:I'd rather scrub my C0ck than have a dirty one like you

Unlucky for you that you scrub other men's c0cks clean too

Terrible thing to say, dirty dick.

You are clearly trying to persuade me to let you scrub my c0ck clean, but Im afraid I'm going to have to say "No" in this instance Coop old buddy old pal

Roger Hunt wrote:Eh? drop an attacking midfielder and play Carrick instead? He'll look even more of a useless c**t than usual.

If Gerrard and Lampard aren't performing then J Cole should be playing in the middle and Downing brought in on the left.

Or perhaps as none of our strikers have been great, we should play 4-6-0 to get Carrick on the pitch?

Roger Hunt wrote:Eh? drop an attacking midfielder and play Carrick instead? He'll look even more of a useless c**t than usual.

If Gerrard and Lampard aren't performing then J Cole should be playing in the middle and Downing brought in on the left.

Or perhaps as none of our strikers have been great, we should play 4-6-0 to get Carrick on the pitch?

borocooper wrote:

Senor Woody wrote:

borocooper wrote:

Senor Woody wrote:

borocooper wrote:I'd rather scrub my C0ck than have a dirty one like you

Unlucky for you that you scrub other men's c0cks clean too

Terrible thing to say, dirty dick.

You are clearly trying to persuade me to let you scrub my c0ck clean, but Im afraid I'm going to have to say "No" in this instance Coop old buddy old pal

I wouldnt want any of that Pele. Your sister is the one who likes a bit of cheese.

Senor Woody wrote:

borocooper wrote:

Senor Woody wrote:

borocooper wrote:

Senor Woody wrote:

borocooper wrote:I'd rather scrub my C0ck than have a dirty one like you

Unlucky for you that you scrub other men's c0cks clean too

Terrible thing to say, dirty dick.

You are clearly trying to persuade me to let you scrub my c0ck clean, but Im afraid I'm going to have to say "No" in this instance Coop old buddy old pal

I wouldnt want any of that Pele. Your sister is the one who likes a bit of cheese.

You mean the penis cheese that your mum didn't mind having in and around her mouth?

borocooper wrote:

Senor Woody wrote:

borocooper wrote:

Senor Woody wrote:

borocooper wrote:

Senor Woody wrote:

borocooper wrote:I'd rather scrub my C0ck than have a dirty one like you

Unlucky for you that you scrub other men's c0cks clean too

Terrible thing to say, dirty dick.

You are clearly trying to persuade me to let you scrub my c0ck clean, but Im afraid I'm going to have to say "No" in this instance Coop old buddy old pal

I wouldnt want any of that Pele. Your sister is the one who likes a bit of cheese.

You mean the penis cheese that your mum didn't mind having in and around her mouth?

You've clearly lost this one Pele..reusing the same joke I just made. Awful stuff.

Senor Woody wrote:

borocooper wrote:

Senor Woody wrote:

borocooper wrote:

Senor Woody wrote:

borocooper wrote:

Senor Woody wrote:

borocooper wrote:I'd rather scrub my C0ck than have a dirty one like you

Unlucky for you that you scrub other men's c0cks clean too

Terrible thing to say, dirty dick.

You are clearly trying to persuade me to let you scrub my c0ck clean, but Im afraid I'm going to have to say "No" in this instance Coop old buddy old pal

I wouldnt want any of that Pele. Your sister is the one who likes a bit of cheese.

You mean the penis cheese that your mum didn't mind having in and around her mouth?

You've clearly lost this one Pele..reusing the same joke I just made. Awful stuff.

It ain't over til the fat lady sings Cooper.

And your mum didn't sing last night, more just moaned and grunted heavily with pleasure

borocooper wrote:

Senor Woody wrote:

borocooper wrote:

Senor Woody wrote:

borocooper wrote:

Senor Woody wrote:

borocooper wrote:

Senor Woody wrote:

borocooper wrote:I'd rather scrub my C0ck than have a dirty one like you

Unlucky for you that you scrub other men's c0cks clean too

Terrible thing to say, dirty dick.

You are clearly trying to persuade me to let you scrub my c0ck clean, but Im afraid I'm going to have to say "No" in this instance Coop old buddy old pal

I wouldnt want any of that Pele. Your sister is the one who likes a bit of cheese.

You mean the penis cheese that your mum didn't mind having in and around her mouth?

You've clearly lost this one Pele..reusing the same joke I just made. Awful stuff.

It ain't over til the fat lady sings Cooper.

And your mum didn't sing last night, more just moaned and grunted heavily with pleasure

She faked it.