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Relax guys, that was just the first image I found when I typed "gerrard diving" into google. It's the principle anyway - he does/has dive/d, not whether that particular incident was a dive or not.
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I've taken the liberty of assembling a list of players who haven't/don't dive:
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Glenn Hysén wrote:I've taken the liberty of assembling a list of players who haven't/don't dive:
Juninho
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kas wrote:Relax guys, that was just the first image I found when I typed "gerrard diving" into google. It's the principle anyway - he does/has dive/d, not whether that particular incident was a dive or not.
I don't think anyone has suggested that he has never dived.
You highlighted the part in the quote referring to integrity on and off the pitch and chose to suggest that Gerrard's integrity is somehow linked to him diving - presumably you feel that no player who has dived has integrity.
As Glenn points out, that leaves a pretty small list of players.
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Yup, I agree totally, and have never said Barça players don't dive, or defended those who dive. What always annoys me is the level of criticism, and general stereotype, of Portuguese/Spanish/Italian/other foreign footballers from English fans, when in fact their own players do the same. Thankfully, with the high profile antics of Rooney, Gerrard, etc. over the past couple of seasons, it's now changing and people overall accept that it's become a universal part of football, not just "those foreign nancy cheats".
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kas wrote:Yup, I agree totally, and have never said Barça players don't dive, or defended those who dive. What always annoys me is the level of criticism, and general stereotype, of Portuguese/Spanish/Italian/other foreign footballers from English fans, when in fact their own players do the same. Thankfully, with the high profile antics of Rooney, Gerrard, etc. over the past couple of seasons, it's now changing and people overall accept that it's become a universal part of football, not just "those foreign nancy cheats".
1) That's entirely irrelevant to your original post, which by juxtaposing a quote about Gerrard's integrity and a photo of him 'diving', you sought to imply that Gerrard does not have integrity.
2) The reason our decent, honest, upstanding English boys have been dragged down to the level of the dirty cheating foreigners is that referees, FIFA and UEFA have supported turning football into a non-contact sport while allowing diving to continue unchallenged. It's just taken us years to bow to the inevitable.
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Glenn Hysén wrote:Messiah wrote:how the hell as Pacheco become a Play maker, they use to call him the killer in our youth systems because of if accuracy in front of goal.
I think Ade was talking more about his squad number being 10, ie in the first XI rather than him being the next Pele.
But he does have the talent to play a proper no.10 role as well. He has done so for the reserves and some of assists last season were a suberb
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/...l-transfer.html
Tottenham Hotspur forward Robbie Keane is set to complete a transfer to Liverpool within the next 48 hours after it emerged that the Republic of Ireland captain had been left out of the north Londoners' 19-man squad that played a friendly at Hercules in Alicante last night
Keane is expected to put pen to paper on a £18 million deal over the weekend, despite his employers at White Hart Lane having lodged a formal complaint with the Premier League over Liverpool's conduct in this whole affair, although Spurs themselves made no comment before the fixture kicked off regarding their captain's subsequent absence from the team line-up.
It is believed that Keane, 28, has already informed Tottenham coach Juande Ramos of his desire to join Liverpool, the club he supported as a boy and the fact that the player was removed from the Spurs squad in Spain without suffering any apparent injury, unlike his strike partner Dimitar Berbatov, who played the whole 90 minutes, only heightens the sense that the transfer is a fait accompli.
However, that is not the case concerning Gareth Barry's on-off move to Anfield. Liverpool manager Rafael Benitez may now have £20m at his disposal following the close-season sales of Scott Carson, John Arne Riise, Danny Guthrie and Peter Crouch, but that has since been earmarked for Keane's transfer, a situation that threatens to leave both Barry himself, as well as his club Aston Villa, in limbo for the foreseeable future at least.
Benitez welcomes Xabi Alonso, Jose Manuel Reina and Alvaro Arbeloa all back to pre-season training today after the Spaniards were given more time off in which to recuperate following their country's triumph at Euro 2008, but unless he can find a club willing to part with £16m for Alonso, then it looks as though Barry may have to remain at Villa Park, at least until the next transfer window reopens in January.
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The sooner we get this out of the way the better for my sanity, just have that regular nasty feeling this could drag on and on.
Oooh it was mentioned on Irish tv as well just now.
Tottenham Hotspur forward Robbie Keane is set to complete a transfer to Liverpool within the next 48 hours after it emerged that the Republic of Ireland captain had been left out of the north Londoners' 19-man squad that played a friendly at Hercules in Alicante last night
Keane is expected to put pen to paper on a £18 million deal over the weekend, despite his employers at White Hart Lane having lodged a formal complaint with the Premier League over Liverpool's conduct in this whole affair, although Spurs themselves made no comment before the fixture kicked off regarding their captain's subsequent absence from the team line-up.
It is believed that Keane, 28, has already informed Tottenham coach Juande Ramos of his desire to join Liverpool, the club he supported as a boy and the fact that the player was removed from the Spurs squad in Spain without suffering any apparent injury, unlike his strike partner Dimitar Berbatov, who played the whole 90 minutes, only heightens the sense that the transfer is a fait accompli.
However, that is not the case concerning Gareth Barry's on-off move to Anfield. Liverpool manager Rafael Benitez may now have £20m at his disposal following the close-season sales of Scott Carson, John Arne Riise, Danny Guthrie and Peter Crouch, but that has since been earmarked for Keane's transfer, a situation that threatens to leave both Barry himself, as well as his club Aston Villa, in limbo for the foreseeable future at least.
Benitez welcomes Xabi Alonso, Jose Manuel Reina and Alvaro Arbeloa all back to pre-season training today after the Spaniards were given more time off in which to recuperate following their country's triumph at Euro 2008, but unless he can find a club willing to part with £16m for Alonso, then it looks as though Barry may have to remain at Villa Park, at least until the next transfer window reopens in January.
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The sooner we get this out of the way the better for my sanity, just have that regular nasty feeling this could drag on and on.
Oooh it was mentioned on Irish tv as well just now.
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Glenn Hysén wrote:I've taken the liberty of assembling a list of players who haven't/don't dive:
Graham Murty?
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Ade wrote:Glenn Hysén wrote:Oooh!
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Tosser, stole my idea
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Liverpool defender Jack Hobbs has joined League One side Leicester on a season-long loan.
The 19-year-old has made five senior appearances for the Reds.
"Liverpool have some world-class centre-backs so I spoke to the boss [Rafael Benitez] and he said I was free to gain some experience," said Hobbs.
"I can assure everyone that I will be giving 100%. I want to help Leicester get back to the Championship at the first time of asking."
The 19-year-old has made five senior appearances for the Reds.
"Liverpool have some world-class centre-backs so I spoke to the boss [Rafael Benitez] and he said I was free to gain some experience," said Hobbs.
"I can assure everyone that I will be giving 100%. I want to help Leicester get back to the Championship at the first time of asking."
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YEATS: SKRTEL'S GOT IT ALL
Ron Yeats has hailed the impact of Martin Skrtel after the Slovakian overcame a difficult start to life at Anfield to enjoy a promising first season with the club.
The Reds legend - who Bill Shankly famously called his 'Colossus' - admits he had reservations about Skrtel following the defender's debut against Havant & Waterlooville in the FA Cup; but he is now a keen admirer of the 23-year-old and feels he can go on to have a big future on Merseyside.
"I go to all the home games and after watching his debut I wasn't very impressed," Yeats told LFC TV.
"When I say I wasn't impressed I mean, I thought he was a bag of nerves. But I thought he must have something about him.
"In the games that followed he showed that he was very good player. He's got a bit of pace and boy can he tackle and head the ball.
"That's what you want from a centre back. I think he's only 23 and with him Agger, Carragher and the boy Hobbs, we are well endowed with centre backs.
"And of course there's Sami Hyypia. He's my favourite player I must admit. I went twice to see him and then I recommended him because I thought he was something else.
"He doesn't have a lot of pace, he'll tell you that, but he can read the game. He's a super passer of the ball too."
Yeats feels Hyypia's experience and sheer professionalism will provide the likes of Skrtel with the perfect example to follow in terms of how to conduct themselves, both, on and off the pitch.
"Sami is a talker and a leader and I think you have to have that because football is made up of partnerships," he said.
"If you don't have that then you have no chance. Sami will talk players through where they need to be and where they shouldn't be and I think Skrtel, and the others I have mentioned, will benefit from that."
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High praise indeed
No doubts it'll be interesting to see what formation we'll start off the season with and who is playing at the back and up front.
Ron Yeats has hailed the impact of Martin Skrtel after the Slovakian overcame a difficult start to life at Anfield to enjoy a promising first season with the club.
The Reds legend - who Bill Shankly famously called his 'Colossus' - admits he had reservations about Skrtel following the defender's debut against Havant & Waterlooville in the FA Cup; but he is now a keen admirer of the 23-year-old and feels he can go on to have a big future on Merseyside.
"I go to all the home games and after watching his debut I wasn't very impressed," Yeats told LFC TV.
"When I say I wasn't impressed I mean, I thought he was a bag of nerves. But I thought he must have something about him.
"In the games that followed he showed that he was very good player. He's got a bit of pace and boy can he tackle and head the ball.
"That's what you want from a centre back. I think he's only 23 and with him Agger, Carragher and the boy Hobbs, we are well endowed with centre backs.
"And of course there's Sami Hyypia. He's my favourite player I must admit. I went twice to see him and then I recommended him because I thought he was something else.
"He doesn't have a lot of pace, he'll tell you that, but he can read the game. He's a super passer of the ball too."
Yeats feels Hyypia's experience and sheer professionalism will provide the likes of Skrtel with the perfect example to follow in terms of how to conduct themselves, both, on and off the pitch.
"Sami is a talker and a leader and I think you have to have that because football is made up of partnerships," he said.
"If you don't have that then you have no chance. Sami will talk players through where they need to be and where they shouldn't be and I think Skrtel, and the others I have mentioned, will benefit from that."
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High praise indeed
No doubts it'll be interesting to see what formation we'll start off the season with and who is playing at the back and up front.
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Liverpool's owners failed in their latest attempt to show they have the finances to pay for the club's new £400m Stanley Park Stadium. (News of the World)
whats up with that? Havent been following the stadium scene for quite a while.
whats up with that? Havent been following the stadium scene for quite a while.
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Looks like the Keane deal is really happening - excellent news.
Keane (imo) is a great replacement for Crouch. He provides a geniune goal threat to support Torres, but his mobility will fit more with our style of play, and he has a bit of subtlety that will improve the team. He's also scored more league goals than Crouch every season apart from 04/05.
Big question for me is what this means for Kuyt as the obvious formation now looks like
------------Mascha----Alonso------------
-----------------Gerrard------------------
---Keane------------------------Babel---
-------------------Torres-----------------
Good move Rafa
Keane (imo) is a great replacement for Crouch. He provides a geniune goal threat to support Torres, but his mobility will fit more with our style of play, and he has a bit of subtlety that will improve the team. He's also scored more league goals than Crouch every season apart from 04/05.
Big question for me is what this means for Kuyt as the obvious formation now looks like
------------Mascha----Alonso------------
-----------------Gerrard------------------
---Keane------------------------Babel---
-------------------Torres-----------------
Good move Rafa
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Roger Hunt wrote:Looks like the Keane deal is really happening - excellent news.
Keane (imo) is a great replacement for Crouch. He provides a geniune goal threat to support Torres, but his mobility will fit more with our style of play, and he has a bit of subtlety that will improve the team. He's also scored more league goals than Crouch every season apart from 04/05.
Big question for me is what this means for Kuyt as the obvious formation now looks like
------------Mascha----Alonso------------
-----------------Gerrard------------------
---Keane------------------------Babel---
-------------------Torres-----------------GoodExcellent move Rafa
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ARRA AND AGGER GET FANS' VOTE
Jimmy Rice 28 July 2008
Daniel Agger and Jamie Carragher should be paired at the heart of Liverpool's defence next season, according to fans who took part in our online poll.
Rafa Benitez is currently spoilt for choice at centre-back, with veterans Jamie Carragher and Sami Hyypia fighting new boy Martin Skrtel and the returning Daniel Agger for a place in the starting XI.
A massive 54 per cent of Kopites believe Carragher and Agger make the best pairing, though Agger and Skrtel get the nod from 28 per cent.
In third place came Carragher and Skrtel, followed by Carragher and Hyypia.
I'm inclined to agree, Agger has to play home games because he has the class. Carragher edges out Skrtel because of his experience. What do you think?
Jimmy Rice 28 July 2008
Daniel Agger and Jamie Carragher should be paired at the heart of Liverpool's defence next season, according to fans who took part in our online poll.
Rafa Benitez is currently spoilt for choice at centre-back, with veterans Jamie Carragher and Sami Hyypia fighting new boy Martin Skrtel and the returning Daniel Agger for a place in the starting XI.
A massive 54 per cent of Kopites believe Carragher and Agger make the best pairing, though Agger and Skrtel get the nod from 28 per cent.
In third place came Carragher and Skrtel, followed by Carragher and Hyypia.
I'm inclined to agree, Agger has to play home games because he has the class. Carragher edges out Skrtel because of his experience. What do you think?
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