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Statistically Geremi is better than Milner ffs.
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Geremi got alot of assists when he was with us.
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Kimbo wrote:Otto's Olympic Dream wrote:The irony of Kimbo's comments is that Milner was one of Newcastle's better players over the last 3 years. They were frankly $h!t all over the park for most of that period
No.
He was your best player in Europe in the Waffa Cup 2 seasons ago. Everyone used to say so, all the commentators, the manager, everyone
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Otto's Olympic Dream wrote:Kimbo wrote:Otto's Olympic Dream wrote:The irony of Kimbo's comments is that Milner was one of Newcastle's better players over the last 3 years. They were frankly $h!t all over the park for most of that period
No.
He was your best player in Europe in the Waffa Cup 2 seasons ago. Everyone used to say so, all the commentators, the manager, everyone
The waffa cup doesn't mean $h!t. What happens in the league is what counts.
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Kimbo wrote:Otto's Olympic Dream wrote:Kimbo wrote:Otto's Olympic Dream wrote:The irony of Kimbo's comments is that Milner was one of Newcastle's better players over the last 3 years. They were frankly $h!t all over the park for most of that period
No.
He was your best player in Europe in the Waffa Cup 2 seasons ago. Everyone used to say so, all the commentators, the manager, everyone
The waffa cup doesn't mean $h!t. What happens in the league is what counts.
Well he's always been one of your most dangerous players against us, and scored a few screamers too if I remember.
He's got quality, as he showed in Europe against more technical sides. His pace isn't anything special, but then again better to have good ability on the ball, which he has, then to be a pace merchant, as there is more longevity in that respect.
Reckon he's still got plenty of years left to make a good career for himself. You forget that up until the end of last season, your team has been poo poo in the league for a good 2 years now, so its hard to say any of your players have looked particularly good in that time.
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Otto's Olympic Dream wrote:Kimbo wrote:Otto's Olympic Dream wrote:Kimbo wrote:Otto's Olympic Dream wrote:The irony of Kimbo's comments is that Milner was one of Newcastle's better players over the last 3 years. They were frankly $h!t all over the park for most of that period
No.
He was your best player in Europe in the Waffa Cup 2 seasons ago. Everyone used to say so, all the commentators, the manager, everyone
The waffa cup doesn't mean $h!t. What happens in the league is what counts.
Well he's always been one of your most dangerous players against us, and scored a few screamers too if I remember.
He's got quality, as he showed in Europe against more technical sides. His pace isn't anything special, but then again better to have good ability on the ball, which he has, then to be a pace merchant, as there is more longevity in that respect.
Reckon he's still got plenty of years left to make a good career for himself. You forget that up until the end of last season, your team has been poo poo in the league for a good 2 years now, so its hard to say any of your players have looked particularly good in that time.
Very few screamers, he's only socred a handful of goals for us and most of them were deflected.
I'm sure he will make a decent career for himself, he's not shite. BUT he is quite average and has no outstanding qualities. Even if our team has been shite for the past few years, you can still see who the most talented players are, and for me Milner has never been one of them. £10m is a great deal for him, espeically if Leeds only get £1m of that like the papers are saying. Keegan sounds very confident of getting a replacement in, so happy days as far as i'm concerned.
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For a start, Milner hasn't been one of our best players over the past few seasons. He has been what he is - a decent, above average Premier League player. Even though he's played in a poor Newcastle side, he hasn't excelled or looked a class apart in that side - he has been middling - not as poor as the likes of Carr, Smith, Butt; not as good as Martins, Taylor, Given, N'Zogbia in flashes. I like Milner, I respect him; I think he's a good professional; he constantly wants the ball when he's on the pitch; and he's pretty skillful, with good dribbling and general technique. But his game has a number of flaws - he does tend to go down blind alleys; his decision making is poor; he lacks pace; he can hog the touchline too much; and his crossing isn't very good, and hasn't improved in his years with us.
The suggestion is that Villa have paid £10 million for him, and from our perspective, that is very good money - the transfer makes financial sense - and it's money I would be entirely pleased with under different circumstances. As it is, I'm concerned at the timing of this - concerned that it's disrupted a good start to the season, and that we don't have enough time in which to bring in a quality replacement. Our squad is much too thin now.
Keegan has been full of praise for Milner, and I think he genuinely did want to keep him, and was probably trying to keep him and trying to arrange a new contract for him earlier in the week. That isn't to say that he doesn't think £10 million represents very good money. It is important to note that the quotes attributed to Keegan yesterday - the 'I don't even want to talk about losing James Milner' - were actually made on Tuesday evening, after the Coventry match, before Milner's transfer request had been made public. And despite being a little more pessimistic then (though he still said he thought we would get a couple of players in), he's come out with some optimistic quotes today, suggesting that he thinks we will manage to get even three or four players by the end of the transfer window.
Still, I don't disregard the idea that Keegan is putting a bit of a brave face on things today. I think he may well have sanctioned Milner's sale to Villa, but he may be stretching things by calling the transfer his decision - he may well be happy with the money we've got for Milner (and Keegan is good at moving on decisively and positively as long as he is reconciled to a certain outcome), but I don't think he will feel that selling him so late is an ideal scenario. And he's maybe professing to more confidence than he actually has when it comes to our ability to seal three or four transfers by Monday. Whatever, the board have to back him now with money - we absolutely must bring in some players before the transfer deadline, and we have to spend if that is what this takes.
I think Milner will be a good signing for Villa. They have overpaid a bit, and he won't take them up a level or add another dimension to their play, and he won't be Young's equal on the right wing - his crossing isn't good enough for Villa to expect a lot of assists from him. But I think he will improve Villa's first team; he'll really balance out Villa's side; with his good close control, he'll maybe offer them something a bit different; and he'll improve the squad because he can play in a few positions - I don't think he's great on the left, but he can perform well in more central positions, or in a 4-3-3 as well as a 4-4-2. He has the right sort of mentality too, he's a nice footballer to have at the club.
The suggestion is that Villa have paid £10 million for him, and from our perspective, that is very good money - the transfer makes financial sense - and it's money I would be entirely pleased with under different circumstances. As it is, I'm concerned at the timing of this - concerned that it's disrupted a good start to the season, and that we don't have enough time in which to bring in a quality replacement. Our squad is much too thin now.
Keegan has been full of praise for Milner, and I think he genuinely did want to keep him, and was probably trying to keep him and trying to arrange a new contract for him earlier in the week. That isn't to say that he doesn't think £10 million represents very good money. It is important to note that the quotes attributed to Keegan yesterday - the 'I don't even want to talk about losing James Milner' - were actually made on Tuesday evening, after the Coventry match, before Milner's transfer request had been made public. And despite being a little more pessimistic then (though he still said he thought we would get a couple of players in), he's come out with some optimistic quotes today, suggesting that he thinks we will manage to get even three or four players by the end of the transfer window.
Still, I don't disregard the idea that Keegan is putting a bit of a brave face on things today. I think he may well have sanctioned Milner's sale to Villa, but he may be stretching things by calling the transfer his decision - he may well be happy with the money we've got for Milner (and Keegan is good at moving on decisively and positively as long as he is reconciled to a certain outcome), but I don't think he will feel that selling him so late is an ideal scenario. And he's maybe professing to more confidence than he actually has when it comes to our ability to seal three or four transfers by Monday. Whatever, the board have to back him now with money - we absolutely must bring in some players before the transfer deadline, and we have to spend if that is what this takes.
I think Milner will be a good signing for Villa. They have overpaid a bit, and he won't take them up a level or add another dimension to their play, and he won't be Young's equal on the right wing - his crossing isn't good enough for Villa to expect a lot of assists from him. But I think he will improve Villa's first team; he'll really balance out Villa's side; with his good close control, he'll maybe offer them something a bit different; and he'll improve the squad because he can play in a few positions - I don't think he's great on the left, but he can perform well in more central positions, or in a 4-3-3 as well as a 4-4-2. He has the right sort of mentality too, he's a nice footballer to have at the club.
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10 million pounds? 
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kas wrote:10 million pounds?
MON has been had again 
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Some newspapers are claiming 12 milion or even 12.5 milion pounds...kas wrote:10 million pounds?
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Kimbo wrote:Imagine you have a winger that always plays in an attacking position, but only gets 2 assists in an entire year.
Imagine you're a winger that always plays in an attacking position but your 2 main strikers are 5 ft 7 and 5 ft 8, it's easy if you try. No hell below us, above us only sky.
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Glenn Hysén wrote:Kimbo wrote:Imagine you have a winger that always plays in an attacking position, but only gets 2 assists in an entire year.
Imagine you're a winger that always plays in an attacking position but your 2 main strikers are 5 ft 7 and 5 ft 8, it's easy if you try. No hell below us, above us only sky.
Owen and Oba aren't exactly weak in the air, plus there is Viduka. He has no excuses.
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What a thread 
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Nice timing Punter. Very nice 
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Kimbo wrote:Oh no.
Why do Villa want him so badly? He's incredibly average. If they're really offering £9m i would bite their arm off, i would've sold him for £6m a month ago.
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Kimbo wrote:
For me Milner is a 20k a week squad player.
I was ridiculued for saying I hoped Liverpool signed him
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2 assists in a season.
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borocooper wrote:I bet he can put a decent cross into someone like Carew..
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borocooper wrote:He's one of a few players who are missing a neck.
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Remember this tread lots of posters on here were out to lunch on the ability of Milner. Said in a tread somewhere at the time it was the best thing him getting away from the Toon. Anyone that knows english soccer could see he had potential in our game.....
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Kimbo wrote:Otto's Olympic Dream wrote:Kimbo wrote:Otto's Olympic Dream wrote:Kimbo wrote:Otto's Olympic Dream wrote:The irony of Kimbo's comments is that Milner was one of Newcastle's better players over the last 3 years. They were frankly $h!t all over the park for most of that period
No.
He was your best player in Europe in the Waffa Cup 2 seasons ago. Everyone used to say so, all the commentators, the manager, everyone
The waffa cup doesn't mean $h!t. What happens in the league is what counts.
Well he's always been one of your most dangerous players against us, and scored a few screamers too if I remember.
He's got quality, as he showed in Europe against more technical sides. His pace isn't anything special, but then again better to have good ability on the ball, which he has, then to be a pace merchant, as there is more longevity in that respect.
Reckon he's still got plenty of years left to make a good career for himself. You forget that up until the end of last season, your team has been poo poo in the league for a good 2 years now, so its hard to say any of your players have looked particularly good in that time.
Very few screamers, he's only socred a handful of goals for us and most of them were deflected.
I'm sure he will make a decent career for himself, he's not shite. BUT he is quite average and has no outstanding qualities. Even if our team has been shite for the past few years, you can still see who the most talented players are, and for me Milner has never been one of them. £10m is a great deal for him, espeically if Leeds only get £1m of that like the papers are saying. Keegan sounds very confident of getting a replacement in, so happy days as far as i'm concerned.
Kimmy's "predictions": Quite averate and has no outstanding qualities. King Kev confident of getting a replacement. Happy days for Newcastle as far as you were concerned.
The reality: Milner now (rightly) deemed one of the best midfield players in the league. Never replaced by Keegan. Newcastle's happy days involved getting relegated
Wow, you really called this one Kimmy, and in a good position to feel smug
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As far as i'm aware i've nailed it. I said he would make a decent career for himself, and lets not get ahead of ourselves, he has had a good season but he's not the English Messi ffs. It was a good deal all round, and i'm still happy that we got £12m for someone that wasn't doing it for us. If you want to laugh at me about a deal you should point out N'Zogbia leaving for £6.5m plus Ryan Taylor, that was fucking peanuts.
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That's it Kimmy, inflate the price, pretend you never made out he was a bad player and ignore all the laughable comments you made about both Milner and your club.
No need to actually confront the fact you were wrong (as were a number of other people including those saying Milner was a rip off and that useless Swedish fuck at Bolton was a bargain).
No need to actually confront the fact you were wrong (as were a number of other people including those saying Milner was a rip off and that useless Swedish fuck at Bolton was a bargain).
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Dr Adel Sabah wrote:That's it Kimmy, inflate the price, pretend you never made out he was a bad player and ignore all the laughable comments you made about both Milner and your club.
No need to actually confront the fact you were wrong (as were a number of other people including those saying Milner was a rip off and that useless Swedish fuck at Bolton was a bargain).
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/fa-league-cups/english-talent-flourishes-in-the-fa-cup-1607800.html?action=Popup
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1061756/Villa-big-plans-12m-Milner-patient-says-ONeill.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/astonvilla/2643728/Newcastles-12m-James-Milner-delighted-to-join-Martin-ONeill-at-Aston-Villa-Football.html
Every paper reported £12m, it's basically considered fact by both Newcastle and Villa fans.
On Milner as a player, people are clearly going over the top, nevertheless i will agree he exceeded my expectations, but i did say i expected him to have a decent career. I don't know why people are having a go at me for being happy with the price we got for selling a winger that got us 2 assists in a season, the likes of Geremi were outperforming him ffs.
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Kimbo wrote:Dr Adel Sabah wrote:That's it Kimmy, inflate the price, pretend you never made out he was a bad player and ignore all the laughable comments you made about both Milner and your club.
No need to actually confront the fact you were wrong (as were a number of other people including those saying Milner was a rip off and that useless Swedish fuck at Bolton was a bargain).
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/fa-league-cups/english-talent-flourishes-in-the-fa-cup-1607800.html?action=Popup
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1061756/Villa-big-plans-12m-Milner-patient-says-ONeill.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/astonvilla/2643728/Newcastles-12m-James-Milner-delighted-to-join-Martin-ONeill-at-Aston-Villa-Football.html
Every paper reported £12m, it's basically considered fact by both Newcastle and Villa fans.
On Milner as a player, people are clearly going over the top, nevertheless i will agree he exceeded my expectations, but i did say i expected him to have a decent career. I don't know why people are having a go at me for being happy with the price we got for selling a winger that got us 2 assists in a season, the likes of Geremi were outperforming him ffs.
Are people having a go at you? No, people are calling you out for your outrageous claim that you predicted Milner to become a success, or something else along the lines of "daring to compare" him with Lennon, yet if you read our exchange above from back in the day, you'll find it was me (as Otto's Olympic Dream) predicting big things for Milner. I also called back in 2006 that he was not really an out and out winger and would do better in the centre, but you don't hear me boasting about it
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At the time £12m did seem a hell of a lot for someone who was a decent youngish player.
He's proved us all wrong though and credit to him for that. If someone like Man city or Man Utd wanted sign him in the summer he'd probably cost them about £30m.
He's proved us all wrong though and credit to him for that. If someone like Man city or Man Utd wanted sign him in the summer he'd probably cost them about £30m.
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Kimbo wrote:Every paper reported £12m, it's basically considered fact by both Newcastle and Villa fans.
I could show you links to other articles that say it was less, and soccerbase (usually a reliable source of such information) doesn't quote a fee, suggesting there is a degree of uncertainty about how much he cost Villa. £12 million is the highest figure quoted anywhere, to my knowledge.
On Milner as a player, people are clearly going over the top, nevertheless i will agree he exceeded my expectations, but i did say i expected him to have a decent career. I don't know why people are having a go at me for being happy with the price we got for selling a winger that got us 2 assists in a season, the likes of Geremi were outperforming him ffs.
The reason people are having a go is because this isn't an accurate representation of your comments. Milner is now worth more than you sold him for, and your club has gone backwards since he left. Perhaps if clubs weren't so keen to shed their squads of young talent and their fan had the patience to wait for them to develop them they wouldn't be running huge deficits paying huge wages to c**ts and guys in their 30s.
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Noah and the Bale wrote:Are people having a go at you? No, people are calling you out for your outrageous claim that you predicted Milner to become a success, or something else along the lines of "daring to compare" him with Lennon, yet if you read our exchange above from back in the day, you'll find it was me (as Otto's Olympic Dream) predicting big things for Milner. I also called back in 2006 that he was not really an out and out winger and would do better in the centre, but you don't hear me boasting about it
I said he would have a decent career despite playing poorly for Newcastle, but that he has exceeded expectations with his performances this season. What the fuck do you want from me?
I was a Milner fan years ago, but went off him as every cross twatted the first defenders head. Seeing as N'Zogbia and Geremi were managing to put decent balls in the box, i think i was justified with going off him.
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Tweesus wrote:At the time £12m did seem a hell of a lot for someone who was a decent youngish player.
To you, perhaps. Not to me. Milner has been a talent since he was 16. He didn't progress much at the merry-go-round/footballers graveyard that is Newcastle FC in recent seasons, but it doesn't surprise me at all that he's now considered a rising star.
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