Milner demands to leave Newcastle

Dr Adel Sabah wrote:

Tweesus wrote:At the time £12m did seem a hell of a lot for someone who was a decent youngish player.

To you, perhaps. Not to me. Milner has been a talent since he was 16. He didn't progress much at the merry-go-round/footballers graveyard that is Newcastle FC in recent seasons, but it doesn't surprise me at all that he's now considered a rising star.

Well in this thread from 2006, we're all acknowledging that he has the potential to make a great career for himself (except Pierre).

http://europeanboard.ephpbb.com/english-football-f3/lennon-v-milner-t44-20.htm?highlight=lennon

Then he went back to Newcastle for two years though and stagnated a bit.

“Realistically, he was only worth £6m according to people on our football side. Mike’s (Ashley) reasoning was that Villa would never pay £12m.

“But Villa went on and on and on, it got to 10 and we stuck to 12 because we didn’t want to lose him."


So it was £12m. What i've said is there in black and white, you can interpret it anyway you want saints, i don't really give a shit.

I was very active in this topic, so I will add that I like him as CM, but I don't think he would have a place in Everton starting XI, when everybody are healthy (which will never happen of course). He's good, better than I expected (especially as CM), but still it was a very good deal for Newcastle and I still wouldn't want him for this kind of money at Everton. The biggest problem for Newcastle was the fact that they spent money horribly wrong, after selling him.
I would also never understand if Chelsea or MU would pay a over 20m for him, he's now in 12-15m bracket IMHO.

Kimbo wrote:

Noah and the Bale wrote:Are people having a go at you? No, people are calling you out for your outrageous claim that you predicted Milner to become a success, or something else along the lines of "daring to compare" him with Lennon, yet if you read our exchange above from back in the day, you'll find it was me (as Otto's Olympic Dream) predicting big things for Milner. I also called back in 2006 that he was not really an out and out winger and would do better in the centre, but you don't hear me boasting about it

I said he would have a decent career despite playing poorly for Newcastle, but that he has exceeded expectations with his performances this season. What the fuck do you want from me?

I was a Milner fan years ago, but went off him as every cross twatted the first defenders head. Seeing as N'Zogbia and Geremi were managing to put decent balls in the box, i think i was justified with going off him.

I don't want anything from you - I'm just here to keep your feet on the ground when you're getting smug for supposedly calling N'Zogbia and Milner's success.

N'Zogbia you can have, he's proving to be a very decent Premiership player. No qualms there, he's done better than I thought he would. By comparison, I don't think it can be argued that Lennon has been better than you ever gave him credit for either back in the day too. Factor in that we're still waiting for Beye, Coliccini, Bassong, Jonas, Krul and Martins to become the successes you predicted in the past (I.m still amazed that considering so many Newcastle players were better than Spurs counterparts that you got relegated whilst we're fighting for 4th with so many of those inferior players), and you should probably temper that feeling of smugness just a little bit

stinger wrote:I was very active in this topic, so I will add that I like him as CM, but I don't think he would have a place in Everton starting XI, when everybody are healthy (which will never happen of course). He's good, better than I expected (especially as CM), but still it was a very good deal for Newcastle and I still wouldn't want him for this kind of money at Everton. The biggest problem for Newcastle was the fact that they spent money horribly wrong, after selling him.
I would also never understand if Chelsea or MU would pay a over 20m for him, he's now in 12-15m bracket IMHO.

What would be your starting XI if everyone healthy?

stinger wrote:I don't think he would have a place in Everton starting XI, when everybody are healthy

Yes he would. I can't think of any team in the EPL that he wouldn't walk into based on his form this season.

I would also never understand if Chelsea or MU would pay a over 20m for him, he's now in 12-15m bracket IMHO.

Again, taking his form this season and accounting for the current player market, he's easily worth £20m.

In the style of M. Owen's advertising pamplet...
- he's english
- versatile
- hardworking
- consistent
- a big game player
- technically adept
- has end product

Kimbo wrote:As far as i'm aware i've nailed it. I said he would make a decent career for himself, and lets not get ahead of ourselves, he has had a good season but he's not the English Messi ffs. It was a good deal all round, and i'm still happy that we got £12m for someone that wasn't doing it for us. If you want to laugh at me about a deal you should point out N'Zogbia leaving for £6.5m plus Ryan Taylor, that was fucking peanuts.

Noah and the Bale wrote:I don't want anything from you - I'm just here to keep your feet on the ground when you're getting smug for supposedly calling N'Zogbia and Milner's success.

N'Zogbia you can have, he's proving to be a very decent Premiership player. No qualms there, he's done better than I thought he would. By comparison, I don't think it can be argued that Lennon has been better than you ever gave him credit for either back in the day too. Factor in that we're still waiting for Beye, Coliccini, Bassong, Jonas, Krul and Martins to become the successes you predicted in the past (I.m still amazed that considering so many Newcastle players were better than Spurs counterparts that you got relegated whilst we're fighting for 4th with so many of those inferior players), and you should probably temper that feeling of smugness just a little bit

I've never said Lennon is a bad player, i disagree with those of you that think he is some sort of world class superstar, but ofcourse i'm made out to be the unreasonable one.

On those Newcastle players.

Beye - he's an old man that used to be a very good player
Coliccini - i've never predicted anything of him, when he came he i said lets wait and see, as it turned out he had a bad season, not helped by the fact he had the worst midfield in the league infront of him
Bassong - that's your problem
Jonas - i've never predicted anything of him, or said he is a top class player, i've been pretty objective
Krul - he's a 21 year old keeper ffs
Martins - Martins is one big disappointment, he's a dangerous player but is just too stupid. I don't think i've made any wild prediction about him either though.

You should really be sure about what you're saying before you accuse me of things. I could give you a list of players that i have rated but haven't fulfilled their potential, if you want.

Tweesus wrote:

stinger wrote:I don't think he would have a place in Everton starting XI, when everybody are healthy

Yes he would. I can't think of any team in the EPL that he wouldn't walk into based on his form this season.

I would also never understand if Chelsea or MU would pay a over 20m for him, he's now in 12-15m bracket IMHO.

Again, taking his form this season and accounting for the current player market, he's easily worth £20m.

In the style of M. Owen's advertising pamplet...
- he's english
- versatile
- hardworking
- consistent
- a big game player
- technically adept
- has end product

I agree with all those qualities apart from a big game player

EM La Liga wrote:

Kimbo wrote:As far as i'm aware i've nailed it. I said he would make a decent career for himself, and lets not get ahead of ourselves, he has had a good season but he's not the English Messi ffs. It was a good deal all round, and i'm still happy that we got £12m for someone that wasn't doing it for us. If you want to laugh at me about a deal you should point out N'Zogbia leaving for £6.5m plus Ryan Taylor, that was fucking peanuts.

EM La Liga wrote:Newcastle should take 7M(euros) for him,I am sure Keegan can buy a replacement who is twice the player Milner is.

debaser wrote:

stinger wrote:I was very active in this topic, so I will add that I like him as CM, but I don't think he would have a place in Everton starting XI, when everybody are healthy (which will never happen of course). He's good, better than I expected (especially as CM), but still it was a very good deal for Newcastle and I still wouldn't want him for this kind of money at Everton. The biggest problem for Newcastle was the fact that they spent money horribly wrong, after selling him.
I would also never understand if Chelsea or MU would pay a over 20m for him, he's now in 12-15m bracket IMHO.

What would be your starting XI if everyone healthy?

Howard
Neville Jagielka Heitinga Baines
Bilyaletdinov Fellaini Arteta Pienaar
Cahill
Saha/Yakubu

Okay, maybe he could replace Biyaletdinov (or Neville as RB), definitely he is more consistent, but lacks flair that Russian has (and provides...sometimes).
But wouldn't take Milner over Donovan as right midfielder for sure. I really don't rate Milner so highy when he's playing out wide.

Tweedle is possibly the biggest kneejerker in England. I'd love to compare his posts week to week.

This proves that you should never listen to a joker like Kimbo - his side went down despite having a bigger wage bill than Spurs & Villa and he has the nerve to call both clubs wasters for failing to get into the top 4 when the standard was so high in recent seasons, as 2-3 of the SKY4 were reaching the Semis on a regular basis!

What's that Kimmy? At least you've been in the CL? Bring something new to talk about, last time you were in that competition X-Factor never existed!

The Santa Stalker wrote:This proves that you should never listen to a joker like Kimbo - his side went down despite having a bigger wage bill than Spurs & Villa and he has the nerve to call both clubs wasters for failing to get into the top 4 when the standard was so high in recent seasons, as 2-3 of the SKY4 were reaching the Semis on a regular basis!

What's that Kimmy? At least you've been in the CL? Bring something new to talk about, last time you were in that competition X-Factor never existed!

Here you are again putting opinions in my mouth. I'm very aware of the waste and mismanagement at Newcastle over the past few years, and i'm still whinging about some of the wages being paid to players today. You seem to think that because i criticise Villa and Spurs for their waste, i think Newcastle are a perfect club. That's warped logic.

stinger wrote:

debaser wrote:

stinger wrote:I was very active in this topic, so I will add that I like him as CM, but I don't think he would have a place in Everton starting XI, when everybody are healthy (which will never happen of course). He's good, better than I expected (especially as CM), but still it was a very good deal for Newcastle and I still wouldn't want him for this kind of money at Everton. The biggest problem for Newcastle was the fact that they spent money horribly wrong, after selling him.
I would also never understand if Chelsea or MU would pay a over 20m for him, he's now in 12-15m bracket IMHO.

What would be your starting XI if everyone healthy?

Howard
Neville Jagielka Heitinga Baines
Bilyaletdinov Fellaini Arteta Pienaar
Cahill
Saha/Yakubu

Okay, maybe he could replace Biyaletdinov (or Neville as RB), definitely he is more consistent, but lacks flair that Russian has (and provides...sometimes).
But wouldn't take Milner over Donovan as right midfielder for sure.

Milner ain't a RB. Bizarre how people have gone from seeing him fill in there occasionally in last 10 mins when we're chasing a game (and once at LB for England, for reasons I can't recall) to thinking he's a full back. He's someone you can play there if desperate, in the same way you could throw Jagielka up front if you're chasing a late winner or everyone's injured.

We'll have to respectfully disagree on whether Milner would get into your team

debaser wrote:

stinger wrote:

debaser wrote:

stinger wrote:I was very active in this topic, so I will add that I like him as CM, but I don't think he would have a place in Everton starting XI, when everybody are healthy (which will never happen of course). He's good, better than I expected (especially as CM), but still it was a very good deal for Newcastle and I still wouldn't want him for this kind of money at Everton. The biggest problem for Newcastle was the fact that they spent money horribly wrong, after selling him.
I would also never understand if Chelsea or MU would pay a over 20m for him, he's now in 12-15m bracket IMHO.

What would be your starting XI if everyone healthy?

Howard
Neville Jagielka Heitinga Baines
Bilyaletdinov Fellaini Arteta Pienaar
Cahill
Saha/Yakubu

Okay, maybe he could replace Biyaletdinov (or Neville as RB), definitely he is more consistent, but lacks flair that Russian has (and provides...sometimes).
But wouldn't take Milner over Donovan as right midfielder for sure.

Milner ain't a RB. Bizarre how people have gone from seeing him fill in there occasionally in last 10 mins when we're chasing a game (and once at LB for England, for reasons I can't recall) to thinking he's a full back. He's someone you can play there if desperate, in the same way you could throw Jagielka up front if you're chasing a late winner or everyone's injured.

We'll have to respectfully disagree on whether Milner would get into your team

I know he's ain't RB, still in our system, when we are playing central midfielders out wide, he would do a better job as RB than Neville or Hibbert, it's also not so difficult to do better
Hmmm, maybe after becoming CM he would do actually job for us out wide, definitely something to think about... in theory of course.

Kimbo wrote:

Noah and the Bale wrote:I don't want anything from you - I'm just here to keep your feet on the ground when you're getting smug for supposedly calling N'Zogbia and Milner's success.

N'Zogbia you can have, he's proving to be a very decent Premiership player. No qualms there, he's done better than I thought he would. By comparison, I don't think it can be argued that Lennon has been better than you ever gave him credit for either back in the day too. Factor in that we're still waiting for Beye, Coliccini, Bassong, Jonas, Krul and Martins to become the successes you predicted in the past (I.m still amazed that considering so many Newcastle players were better than Spurs counterparts that you got relegated whilst we're fighting for 4th with so many of those inferior players), and you should probably temper that feeling of smugness just a little bit

I've never said Lennon is a bad player, i disagree with those of you that think he is some sort of world class superstar, but ofcourse i'm made out to be the unreasonable one.

On those Newcastle players.

Beye - he's an old man that used to be a very good player
Coliccini - i've never predicted anything of him, when he came he i said lets wait and see, as it turned out he had a bad season, not helped by the fact he had the worst midfield in the league infront of him
Bassong - that's your problem
Jonas - i've never predicted anything of him, or said he is a top class player, i've been pretty objective
Krul - he's a 21 year old keeper ffs
Martins - Martins is one big disappointment, he's a dangerous player but is just too stupid. I don't think i've made any wild prediction about him either though.

You should really be sure about what you're saying before you accuse me of things. I could give you a list of players that i have rated but haven't fulfilled their potential, if you want.

You're putting words into other people's mouth regarding Lennon, and have done from the start. I've forgotten the number of times I've said he's young and still has some weaknesses. And also NEVER said he was World Class, or a World Superstar. Nobody has. Only you.

Equally, I don't remember anyone calling Milner the new English Messi either. He's a very good player and deserves a chance in the England squad. I think that's as far as it has ever gone.

He's certainly better than you and EM collectively gave him credit for back in the day when he left Newcastle. So just temper that smugness for calling N'zogbia, that is all I would ever ask of you. So you don't sound silly

Noah and the Bale wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

Noah and the Bale wrote:I don't want anything from you - I'm just here to keep your feet on the ground when you're getting smug for supposedly calling N'Zogbia and Milner's success.

N'Zogbia you can have, he's proving to be a very decent Premiership player. No qualms there, he's done better than I thought he would. By comparison, I don't think it can be argued that Lennon has been better than you ever gave him credit for either back in the day too. Factor in that we're still waiting for Beye, Coliccini, Bassong, Jonas, Krul and Martins to become the successes you predicted in the past (I.m still amazed that considering so many Newcastle players were better than Spurs counterparts that you got relegated whilst we're fighting for 4th with so many of those inferior players), and you should probably temper that feeling of smugness just a little bit

I've never said Lennon is a bad player, i disagree with those of you that think he is some sort of world class superstar, but ofcourse i'm made out to be the unreasonable one.

On those Newcastle players.

Beye - he's an old man that used to be a very good player
Coliccini - i've never predicted anything of him, when he came he i said lets wait and see, as it turned out he had a bad season, not helped by the fact he had the worst midfield in the league infront of him
Bassong - that's your problem
Jonas - i've never predicted anything of him, or said he is a top class player, i've been pretty objective
Krul - he's a 21 year old keeper ffs
Martins - Martins is one big disappointment, he's a dangerous player but is just too stupid. I don't think i've made any wild prediction about him either though.

You should really be sure about what you're saying before you accuse me of things. I could give you a list of players that i have rated but haven't fulfilled their potential, if you want.

You're putting words into other people's mouth regarding Lennon, and have done from the start. I've forgotten the number of times I've said he's young and still has some weaknesses. And also NEVER said he was World Class, or a World Superstar. Nobody has. Only you.

Equally, I don't remember anyone calling Milner the new English Messi either. He's a very good player and deserves a chance in the England squad. I think that's as far as it has ever gone.

He's certainly better than you and EM collectively gave him credit for back in the day when he left Newcastle. So just temper that smugness for calling N'zogbia, that is all I would ever ask of you. So you don't sound silly

He is a very good premier league player nothing to get excitied or hype about.

Whereas being a very good La Liga/Serie A/Ligue 1 player is something to get excited & hyped about?

Milner needs to be a couple of shades darker, have a surname ending in a vowel and have at least played in a powerhouse league on the continent like the Portuguese/French/Belgian one before anyone can get excited about him

I <3 this thread

Edit: http://europeanboard.ephpbb.com/english-football-f3/milner-to-villa-the-deals-off-t1473.htm?highlight=milner

This one aswell.