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    UEFA Champions League Group B

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    Matchday One
    Panathinaikos FC vs. FC Internazionale Milano - Tuesday 16/09
    Werder Bremen vs. Anorthosis - Tuesday 16/09

    Matchday Two
    Anorthosis vs. Panathinaikos FC - Wednesday 01/10
    FC Internazionale Milano vs. Werder Bremen - Wednesday 01/10

    Matchday Three
    FC Internazionale Milano vs. Anorthosis - Wednesday 22/10
    Panathinaikos FC vs. Werder Bremen - Wednesday 22/10

    Matchday Four
    Anorthosis vs. FC Internazionale Milano - Tuesday 04/11
    Werder Bremen vs. Panathinaikos FC - Tuesday 04/11

    Matchday Five
    FC Internazionale Milano vs. Panathinaikos FC - Wednesday 26/11
    Anorthosis vs. Werder Bremen - Wednesday 26/11

    Matchday Six
    Panathinaikos FC vs. Anorthosis - Tuesday 09/12
    Werder Bremen vs. FC Internazionale Milano - Tuesday 09/12
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    Post by Pierre Littbarski Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:26 pm

    Werder have a massive advantage over Pana and Famagusta in that they play Inter when they're already through - mind you they may be through by the time they play the Greeks in MD5 so harsh on the Cypriots.
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    Post by EM Seleção e Selecção Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:36 pm

    Pierre Littbarski wrote:Werder have a massive advantage over Pana and Famagusta in that they play Inter when they're already through - mind you they may be through by the time they play the Greeks in MD5 so harsh on the Cypriots.
    The Cypriots are no mugs they will surprise alot of people Exclamation
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    Post by Red n' Black Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:42 pm

    I'm Cypriot but I'm convinced that Anorthosis will find themselves on the wrong end of some massive beatings against Inter & Werder. Laughing Maybe they can snatch a draw at home against Panathinaikos( who by the way have a much better team than last seasons) but that's it. But it's the first time a Cypriot team makes the group stage so I think they'll be pretty content having achieved that, don't think they have any more expectations to be honest.
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    Post by EM Seleção e Selecção Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:44 pm

    Red n' Black wrote:I'm Cypriot but I'm convinced that Anorthosis will find themselves on the wrong end of some massive beatings against Inter & Werder. Laughing Maybe they can snatch a draw at home against Panathinaikos( who by the way have a much better team than last seasons) but that's it. But it's the first time a Cypriot team makes the group stage so I think they'll be pretty content having achieved that, don't think they have any more expectations to be honest.
    They beat Olympiakos and Olympiakos destroyed Bremen.

    Look I think they can snatch 2nd place for sure.
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    Post by stinger Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:50 pm

    After watching Anorthosis and Olympiacos recently, I can see Anorthosis winning at home, also Werder will have to work hard in Famagusta too, to bring home any points...

    Lukasz Sosin will kill them all!!! Smile
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    Post by SuperMario Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:56 pm

    Is Cyprus the new Romania? AEK got knocked out by Omonia, who are form Cyprus too.

    Omonia once beat Ajax 4-0. Unfortunately for them it was the returnleg & they lost the first leg 10-0.


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    Post by Red n' Black Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:56 pm

    EMPortuguese wrote:
    Red n' Black wrote:I'm Cypriot but I'm convinced that Anorthosis will find themselves on the wrong end of some massive beatings against Inter & Werder. Laughing Maybe they can snatch a draw at home against Panathinaikos( who by the way have a much better team than last seasons) but that's it. But it's the first time a Cypriot team makes the group stage so I think they'll be pretty content having achieved that, don't think they have any more expectations to be honest.
    They beat Olympiakos and Olympiakos destroyed Bremen.

    Look I think they can snatch 2nd place for sure.

    Trust me man, you're overrating Anorthosis. Wink

    I dunno whether you've watched the games against Olympiakos but even the 3-0 in Cyprus was a flattering result(Olympiakos had the lion's share of possesion,missed a pen and a couple of good chances, Anorthosis scored on every single chance they got). Olympiakos also clearly underestimated them, they thought they would cruise the tie easily therefore they didn't replace some of the players they had last season until too late. The 'big' names that Olympiakos brought in this season(Dudu,Leto) either didn't play at all or were not in a good physical condition to contribute.

    Of course as a Cypriot I would be happy to see Anorthosis do well(even though it's not the team I support in Cyprus), but I'm almost certain they'll finish 4th. If anything, Panathinaikos is the team with the more realistic chance of maybe upsetting Werder and clinching second.
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    Post by Red n' Black Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:58 pm

    De Guzman wrote:AEK got knocked out by Omonia, who are form Cyprus too.

    Was in the stadium today, 'twas awesome <Ale>

    (Of course, Omonia would have easily gotten whooped against teams like Werder and Inter too) Razz


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    Post by EM Seleção e Selecção Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:01 am

    Red n' Black wrote:
    EMPortuguese wrote:
    Red n' Black wrote:I'm Cypriot but I'm convinced that Anorthosis will find themselves on the wrong end of some massive beatings against Inter & Werder. Laughing Maybe they can snatch a draw at home against Panathinaikos( who by the way have a much better team than last seasons) but that's it. But it's the first time a Cypriot team makes the group stage so I think they'll be pretty content having achieved that, don't think they have any more expectations to be honest.
    They beat Olympiakos and Olympiakos destroyed Bremen.

    Look I think they can snatch 2nd place for sure.

    Trust me man, you're overrating Anorthosis. Wink

    I dunno whether you've watched the games against Olympiakos but even the 3-0 in Cyprus was a flattering result(Olympiakos had the lion's share of possesion,missed a pen and a couple of good chances, Anorthosis scored on every single chance they got). Olympiakos also clearly underestimated them, they thought they would cruise the tie easily therefore they didn't replace some of the players they had last season until too late. The 'big' names that Olympiakos brought in this season(Dudu,Leto) either didn't play at all or were not in a good physical condition to contribute.

    Of course as a Cypriot I would be happy to see Anorthosis do well(even though it's not the team I support in Cyprus), but I'm almost certain they'll finish 4th. If anything, Panathinaikos is the team with the more realistic chance of maybe upsetting Werder and clinching second.
    I take it you support a Limmasol or Nicosia based club Wink.

    In Temur Ketsbaia they have an outstanding young coach who is improving and improving,I agree about Dudu and I don't think Diogo played at all.


    Pana are weaker than Olympiakos and they are there for the taking home and away.
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    Post by EM Seleção e Selecção Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:01 am

    Red n' Black wrote:
    De Guzman wrote:AEK got knocked out by Omonia, who are form Cyprus too.

    Was in the stadium today, 'twas awesome <Ale>
    You live in Cyprus?
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    Post by SuperMario Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:07 am

    Red n' Black wrote:
    De Guzman wrote:AEK got knocked out by Omonia, who are form Cyprus too.

    Was in the stadium today, 'twas awesome <Ale>

    (Of course, Omonia would have easily gotten whooped against teams like Werder and Inter too) Razz
    Must have been a great night Ale

    Love your club for that 1 match v Ajax... (you really have those Greeks' numbers) Ale
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    Post by Red n' Black Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:16 am

    EMPortuguese wrote:
    Red n' Black wrote:
    De Guzman wrote:AEK got knocked out by Omonia, who are form Cyprus too.

    Was in the stadium today, 'twas awesome <Ale>
    You live in Cyprus?

    Nope, I've been living in London for the past 5 years, I'm just here for the summer.

    I support Omonia but I would have said the same thing even if Omonia were in Anorthosis' group. Cypriot football has improved, but not to the point where it can compete against such teams.

    Olympiakos was the dominant team in Greece for the past decade but this season Panathinaikos got some new owners and they really splashed a lot more money. I think they have a better team than Olympiakos(although the difference is small between those two, with AEK being the weakest of Greece's 'top 3'). As I said, maybe they can do something at home against Panathinaikos but I don't see them avoiding defeat away.

    De Guzman wrote:
    Red n' Black wrote:
    De Guzman wrote:AEK got knocked out by Omonia, who are form Cyprus too.

    Was in the stadium today, 'twas awesome <Ale>

    (Of course, Omonia would have easily gotten whooped against teams like Werder and Inter too) Razz
    Must have been a great night Ale

    Love your club for that 1 match v Ajax... (you really have those Greeks' numbers) Ale

    Hehe thanx man <Ale> sometimes you still hear some old people in the stadium reminiscing the old days where Omonia beat the mighty Ajax 4-0(of course for them the fact that we got smashed in the first leg 10-0 hardly matters Laughing )

    Actually this is the first time we eliminated two teams in the UEFA Cup, also APOEL Nicosia eliminated Red Star Belgrade, so both Cypriot teams continue in the UEFA Cup. But unless they both get lucky with the draw tomorrow, it will be very hard to make it to the Group Stage.
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    Post by Pierre Littbarski Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:58 am

    Red n' Black wrote:APOEL Nicosia eliminated Red Star Belgrade

    No !

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    Post by chrissicross Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:51 am

    Our expected lineup for tonight:

    .......................Wiese......................

    Fritz...Mertesacker...Naldo...Boenisch

    .......................Frings......................

    ...Jensen................................Özil...

    .......................Diego......................

    ......Pizarro................Rosenberg......
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    Post by Effenberg Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:38 pm

    Shocking, Chrissi, shocking. Who's to blame in your opinion?
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    Post by Guest Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:22 pm

    Panathinaikos deserved to score at least one goal today.
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    Post by stinger Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:25 pm

    Great performance by Ibrahimovic, big threat all the time, and provided assists for both goals.

    Does Adriano look reaaaaally fat only for me? lol!
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    Post by Chocolate Thunder Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:26 pm

    Pizzaro is joke if there ever was one, how many clear cut chances did he have tonight and blew them all so horribly.
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    Post by Chocolate Thunder Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:27 pm

    stinger wrote:Great performance by Ibrahimovic, big threat all the time, and provided assists for both goals.

    Does Adriano look reaaaaally fat only for me? lol!


    He is just big boned Wink
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    Post by chrissicross Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:23 am

    Effenberg wrote:Shocking, Chrissi, shocking. Who's to blame in your opinion?
    Not sure. What exactly did you find shocking? The result? Our strikers?

    I my opinion the way we played wasn´t that bad. 4 of 6 games during the CL last season were far more worse imo. Of course that was against better opposition, but still.

    Our strikers really looked poor tonight, especially Pizarro. I´m feeling somewhat sorry for him though, we both know he´s much better than this.

    I would really like to hear what you think about the game. I mean normally you don´t comment Bremen games, at least as far as I can remember atm...
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    Post by Effenberg Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:01 am

    I thought the whole performance was terrible. You did create some chances (as you would against this kind of opposition). That, of course, only highlighted the complete ineptitude of your strikers. In the end I was worried Werder might even get caught on the counter.

    There's no excuse when you can't beat a team of this size/strength at home. I don't care what people say about there not being small countries/clubs anymore. This was as bad as Schalke's international performances. And now you have two tough away matches waiting.

    If I were you I'd be pissed about the management. They're too stingy and that's why Werder is stuck playing second fiddle nationally and internationally. Do you want Werder to finish 2nd/3rd in the Bundesliga and be an 'also-ran' in the CL every year?

    Pizzarro has (had) potential. He never lives up to it - for more than a game anyway. Getting him on a loan was the cheap solution that doesn't get your club anywhere. Look at who Hamburg attracted this year. And they aren't even in the CL!

    Where's the CL money going anyway?
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    Post by Allez les rouges Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:46 am

    Ouch. Hard to disagree really.

    From the SZ:

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    Post by chrissicross Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:50 pm

    Effenberg wrote:I thought the whole performance was terrible. You did create some chances (as you would against this kind of opposition). That, of course, only highlighted the complete ineptitude of your strikers. In the end I was worried Werder might even get caught on the counter.

    There's no excuse when you can't beat a team of this size/strength at home. I don't care what people say about there not being small countries/clubs anymore. This was as bad as Schalke's international performances. And now you have two tough away matches waiting.

    If I were you I'd be pissed about the management. They're too stingy and that's why Werder is stuck playing second fiddle nationally and internationally. Do you want Werder to finish 2nd/3rd in the Bundesliga and be an 'also-ran' in the CL every year?

    Pizzarro has (had) potential. He never lives up to it - for more than a game anyway. Getting him on a loan was the cheap solution that doesn't get your club anywhere. Look at who Hamburg attracted this year. And they aren't even in the CL!

    Where's the CL money going anyway?
    Well, like I already said I didn´t find it that bad. After the games in Bielefeld and Gladbach I was much more upset. The game last night was quite similar to the game against Cottbus, apart from the fact we didn´t score. I guess if we would have used one of our chances, most people would say now it was a "glanzloser Arbeitssieg".

    Maybe you have a point "the whole performance was terrible" in relation to the (on paper) poor quality of Famagusta. But I think considering their tactics it doesn´t make much difference whether it´s Cottbus, Duisburg, Famagusta or Rangers etc. It´s all more or less the same.

    With regard to Pizarro I still think he is a very good solution for us. (Of course it´s safe to say he wasn´t Allofs prefered choice.) He´ll will surely score a lot of goals for us. I mean if Sanogo (and Almeida) can score 10-12 goals plus some assists for us, Pizarro should be easily able to top that...Rummenigge said about him "Claudio hat Fähigkeiten, die man in der Bundesliga mit der Lupe suchen muss." And he is right. He´s an excellent footballer, much better than Sanogo for example.

    I agree with you that our management seems to be too stingy. We should use every Euro to strenghten our squad, because we need the CL to compete with teams like Schalke, Hamburg, Dortmund etc. Without the CL we will immediately lose a lot of ground, which will be very difficult to recover. Two seasons in a row our squad has lost quality now (compared to the squad of 2006/2007). I'm already bemoaning that on the Bremen board since 1.5 years meanwhile.

    However our biggest problem aren´t the tranfer fees, but the wages. Of course we had to increase the wages to keep the players we already have...and as you know, in the case of Klose and Borowski the money we had wasn´t enough. The problem here is that we can´t use the CL money for wages, other clubs can spend more here, even without CL. After all Bremen is not München, Hamburg, Dortmund...

    With regard to becoming 2nd/3rd: It is indeed much better to achieve 5 times a 2nd/3rd place than becoming Champion two times and ending three times on place 4. With other words: I´m very happy with what we have achived during the last five years. Another 3rd place this season would be a great thing for us.

    At the moment it unfortunately seems like it won´t be enough for a place among the top 3 and should it really come like that this will probably be our last CL participation for a long time, unless of course Allofs has bunkered enough money to do something like Bayern did last year.

    Then other clubs can try to do it better. During the last 5 years we collected over 91% of the points Bayern collected in the same time. That will be the benchmark then, in the year 2014, should we still be around here then. Wink
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    Post by Lesley Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:11 pm

    chrissicross wrote:And he is right. He´s an excellent footballer, much better than Sanogo for example.

    That's hardly a sign of extraordinary quality though. Sanogo can't play football. That ain't a secret. He has the quality to be at the right place at the right time quite often, that's why he still manages to score.

    But I do think a great deal of Pizarro. He just seems to be out of shape at the moment.

    Just the comparison to Sanogo is a bit....well...it's not THAT hard to be a better footballer than Sanogo is.


    chrissicross wrote:The problem here is that we can´t use the CL money for wages, other clubs can spend more here, even without CL. After all Bremen is not München, Hamburg, Dortmund...

    Um....what exactly are we doing in the 'money list' here? Did I miss something Question *raises eyebrows*
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    Post by chrissicross Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:28 pm

    Lesley wrote:
    chrissicross wrote:And he is right. He´s an excellent footballer, much better than Sanogo for example.

    That's hardly a sign of extraordinary quality though. Sanogo can't play football. That ain't a secret. He has the quality to be at the right place at the right time quite often, that's why he still manages to score.

    But I do think a great deal of Pizarro. He just seems to be out of shape at the moment.

    Just the comparison to Sanogo is a bit....well...it's not THAT hard to be a better footballer than Sanogo is.
    Laughing

    That´s indeed a perfect description of Sanogo. I bet Didi is still dancing around his desk he could sell him Allofs. Wink

    And that´s why I mentioned him. Before Pizarro he was more or less first choice for us, well at least before he completely stopped scoring after that Africa Cup.


    Lesley wrote:
    chrissicross wrote:]The problem here is that we can´t use the CL money for wages, other clubs can spend more here, even without CL. After all Bremen is not München, Hamburg, Dortmund...

    Um....what exactly are we doing in the 'money list' here? Did I miss something Question *raises eyebrows*
    I mentioned Hamburg because the HSV is (much) richer than Bremen without CL.

    Five years of CL football and the HSV could easily boost sales to over 200m Euro and even compete with Bayern.
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    Post by chrissicross Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:56 pm

    Wer den Schaden hat...

    Claudio Pizarros Tagebuch: "Gute Nacht, Dein Pizza"

    http://www.11freunde.de/bundesligen/114401?PHPSESSID=7450ed899fe2fc1b9ae74a15a8c7b60d

    lol!
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    Post by Lesley Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:02 pm

    chrissicross wrote:That´s indeed a perfect description of Sanogo. I bet Didi is still dancing around his desk he could sell him Allofs. Wink

    Didi should rather think about why he even bought him in the first place. Wink
    I had been having a BAD feeling about this transfer from day 1 on....and it never went away, even when he scored in the first few games.

    So, don't know about Didi, but I'm still quite happy about the fact that we managed to sell him indeed. Wink


    chrissicross wrote:And that´s why I mentioned him. Before Pizarro he was more or less first choice for us

    And I never got why. I always thought "they could do so much better". I know that the striker market was overheated back then, even more than it is now. But still...


    chrissicross wrote:I mentioned Hamburg because the HSV is (much) richer than Bremen without CL.

    I wouldn't be too sure about that. You do realise that we had to sell van der Vaart and Kompany to get Jansen, Neves and Silva? We had to reinvest everything.

    I also doubt that we can pay more than Bremen does. Wages-wise, I mean.
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    Post by Lesley Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:08 pm

    chrissicross wrote:Wer den Schaden hat...

    Claudio Pizarros Tagebuch: "Gute Nacht, Dein Pizza"

    http://www.11freunde.de/bundesligen/114401?PHPSESSID=7450ed899fe2fc1b9ae74a15a8c7b60d

    lol!


    Draußen ist es schon arschkalt, ich hätte Lust, DVDs zu gucken. Rufe Torsten Frings an, der redet aber was von »keine Zeit« und »Champions-League«.

    Laugh
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    Post by chrissicross Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:26 pm

    Lesley wrote:
    chrissicross wrote:That´s indeed a perfect description of Sanogo. I bet Didi is still dancing around his desk he could sell him Allofs. Wink

    Didi should rather think about why he even bought him in the first place. Wink
    I had been having a BAD feeling about this transfer from day 1 on....and it never went away, even when he scored in the first few games.
    Yeah, the same here.

    When the first rumours came up I thought this must be some kind of bad joke. When we sold Klose to Bayern I thought Allofs already had a decent replacement for him, but it became clear that he was totally unprepared, in the end we more or less had to buy Sanogo, even more considering all the injuries we had back then.

    Fortunately (for Allofs), Sanogo scored quite a lot of goals during the first months, so he could justify the transfer. However it was more of less for everyone to see, that he can´t play football, that he doesn´t really fit to the way we play in Bremen. And he also caused some problems offside the pitch, he isn´t exactly a player who improves the team spirit. In contrast to Klasnic...I´m still angry that Allofs did let him go...he should have fired the crappy doctor instead. Mad

    Lesley wrote:
    chrissicross wrote:I mentioned Hamburg because the HSV is (much) richer than Bremen without CL.

    I wouldn't be too sure about that. You do realise that we had to sell van der Vaart and Kompany to get Jansen, Neves and Silva? We had to reinvest everything.

    I also doubt that we can pay more than Bremen does. Wages-wise, I mean.

    Yeah, I know, even though Didi lied when he said, the HSV wouldn´t have money for more transfers this year. He still had a few millions, but they were part of his well prepared plan for a VDV departure. What a coup by Didi that was.

    With regard to the wages: Of course I don´t really know something about it, the clubs keep these numbers secret anyway, but when you look at the income from sponsors, merchandising and especially the big modern stadium in the centre of Hamburg I think it´s safe to say the HSV has more money for wages.

    Okay, atm the budget for wages should be more or less the same, but only because we had 5 years CL in a row. Without the CL we can´t compete with the HSV financially.

    Netzer said "the HSV is a sleeping giant". And he´s right, unfortunately. Wink

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