Real Madrid Vs. Liverpool Discussion Thread

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The HuddFather wrote:

Ray Parlour wrote:Liverpool fans don't really have much to smile about atm

Will Rafa be actively coaching Liverpool, or will he be scouting the squad he'll take over in August?

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England has had 4 teams consistently in the CL, earning the cash to go with it. Spain, for example, has 2 clubs who keep rotating in and out, with no constant revenue stream as a result. Also, I don't have time right now, but I'm sure if we compare Barcelona's net spending over the last few seasons to Man. Utd. and Chelsea, it'll probably be less.

kas wrote:England has had 4 teams consistently in the CL, earning the cash to go with it. Spain, for example, has 2 clubs who keep rotating in and out, with no constant revenue stream as a result. Also, I don't have time right now, but I'm sure if we compare Barcelona's net spending over the last few seasons to Man. Utd. and Chelsea, it'll probably be less.

The four teams from England do well in the champions league because they are more proffessional. We show respect against any opposition, every time Liverpool play a big team like Madrid now or Barca their players mouth off how they're going to destroy us. Maybe if they focused on the football they'd do better.

kas wrote:England has had 4 teams consistently in the CL, earning the cash to go with it. Spain, for example, has 2 clubs who keep rotating in and out, with no constant revenue stream as a result. Also, I don't have time right now, but I'm sure if we compare Barcelona's net spending over the last few seasons to Man. Utd. and Chelsea, it'll probably be less.

Well, and you look at at team like Villarreal. This is a CL side whose principal reinforcements last summer were Joseba Llorente (free), Edmilson (free), Ariel Ibagaza (€1.5m), . Not even Arsenal are on that sort of a budget.

Luis wrote:

kas wrote:England has had 4 teams consistently in the CL, earning the cash to go with it. Spain, for example, has 2 clubs who keep rotating in and out, with no constant revenue stream as a result. Also, I don't have time right now, but I'm sure if we compare Barcelona's net spending over the last few seasons to Man. Utd. and Chelsea, it'll probably be less.

The four teams from England do well in the champions league because they are more proffessional. We show respect against any opposition, every time Liverpool play a big team like Madrid now or Barca their players mouth off how they're going to destroy us. Maybe if they focused on the football they'd do better.

Luis I don't know what the hell you are on about.

He is probably referring to VDV comments about how Liverpool should be scared of RM and all that, which was really stupid.

Who the hell cares what anybody says? I can't believe people would make such a big deal about it. VDV's not even going to play so who gives a toss what he says?

And I don't buy that the English teams are so "respectful". Remember when Jose Mourinho gave the Barcelona XI in his press conference a few years ago?

Jaime wrote:Who the hell cares what anybody says? I can't believe people would make such a big deal about it. VDV's not even going to play so who gives a toss what he says?

And I don't buy that the English teams are so "respectful". Remember when Jose Mourinho gave the Barcelona XI in his press conference a few years ago?

How does that compare to claiming you will beat the other team 5-1?

Luis wrote:

Jaime wrote:Who the hell cares what anybody says? I can't believe people would make such a big deal about it. VDV's not even going to play so who gives a toss what he says?

And I don't buy that the English teams are so "respectful". Remember when Jose Mourinho gave the Barcelona XI in his press conference a few years ago?

How does that compare to claiming you will beat the other team 5-1?

It was an insult; that Rijkaard's tactics were so obvious to everyone...who the hell cares though? Nobody wins or loses a match because of what some idiot says five days before the match.

Luis could you give some examples of when italians or spanish teams have made these comments?

Either way I like the fact that we aren't scared to go out and claim the favourites role. Im so tired of managers especially the likes of Benitez(allthough I like him) coming and playing the underdog role because he doesn't want to handle the pressure. Most managers seem to do this nowadays but it is such a cowards way out. I remember the worst being when Barcelona played in the world club cup against some nobodies and actually tried to claim that since the other team had been in Japan a week more they were in fact favourites against the CL Champions.

It is kind of symbolic of the whole nature of Cl today where nobody wants to be favourites and everybody plays as the underdog so they don't have to take risks. Benitez has been master at this for a while so I would enjoy winning against Liverpool as favourites much more then as underdogs.

Luis wrote:

Jaime wrote:Who the hell cares what anybody says? I can't believe people would make such a big deal about it. VDV's not even going to play so who gives a toss what he says?

And I don't buy that the English teams are so "respectful". Remember when Jose Mourinho gave the Barcelona XI in his press conference a few years ago?

How does that compare to claiming you will beat the other team 5-1?

How about the old drunk claiming that Real Madrid have NO CHANCE of winning the CL just a few days ago? Is anything comparable to that?

Torrente wrote:

Luis wrote:

Jaime wrote:Who the hell cares what anybody says? I can't believe people would make such a big deal about it. VDV's not even going to play so who gives a toss what he says?

And I don't buy that the English teams are so "respectful". Remember when Jose Mourinho gave the Barcelona XI in his press conference a few years ago?

How does that compare to claiming you will beat the other team 5-1?

How about the old drunk claiming that Real Madrid have NO CHANCE of winning the CL just a few days ago? Is anything comparable to that?

I forgot about "Sir" Alex.

Super Madrid wrote:Luis could you give some examples of when italians or spanish teams have made these comments?

Either way I like the fact that we aren't scared to go out and claim the favourites role. Im so tired of managers especially the likes of Benitez(allthough I like him) coming and playing the underdog role because he doesn't want to handle the pressure. Most managers seem to do this nowadays but it is such a cowards way out. I remember the worst being when Barcelona played in the world club cup against some nobodies and actually tried to claim that since the other team had been in Japan a week more they were in fact favourites against the CL Champions.

It is kind of symbolic of the whole nature of Cl today where nobody wants to be favourites and everybody plays as the underdog so they don't have to take risks. Benitez has been master at this for a while so I would enjoy winning against Liverpool as favourites much more then as underdogs.

This is true. Wenger has also mastered this by crying over how much more the other team has spent before and after every game. He even goes as far as intentionally not spending more money on players, just so he can have something to cry about when he fails at the end of the season.

Torrente wrote:

Super Madrid wrote:Luis could you give some examples of when italians or spanish teams have made these comments?

Either way I like the fact that we aren't scared to go out and claim the favourites role. Im so tired of managers especially the likes of Benitez(allthough I like him) coming and playing the underdog role because he doesn't want to handle the pressure. Most managers seem to do this nowadays but it is such a cowards way out. I remember the worst being when Barcelona played in the world club cup against some nobodies and actually tried to claim that since the other team had been in Japan a week more they were in fact favourites against the CL Champions.

It is kind of symbolic of the whole nature of Cl today where nobody wants to be favourites and everybody plays as the underdog so they don't have to take risks. Benitez has been master at this for a while so I would enjoy winning against Liverpool as favourites much more then as underdogs.

This is true. Wenger has also mastered this by crying over how much more the other team has spent before and after every game. He even goes as far as intentionally not spending more money on players, just so he can have something to cry about when he fails at the end of the season.

Wenger is another one who constantly does it. I just hate when managers do it because it just shows you are too much of a coward to win. The most annying thing is that it has worked well for whoever does it.

Sir Alex was asked an honest question gave an honest answer. He also called Heinze a great player, so don’t read much into it. He did praise Benzema and Ribery highly in the piece – expect them to be potential summer transfer signings.

Jaime wrote:

Torrente wrote:

Luis wrote:

Jaime wrote:Who the hell cares what anybody says? I can't believe people would make such a big deal about it. VDV's not even going to play so who gives a toss what he says?

And I don't buy that the English teams are so "respectful". Remember when Jose Mourinho gave the Barcelona XI in his press conference a few years ago?

How does that compare to claiming you will beat the other team 5-1?

How about the old drunk claiming that Real Madrid have NO CHANCE of winning the CL just a few days ago? Is anything comparable to that?

I forgot about "Sir" Alex.

Part of me wants us to get Ronaldo just to see the look in his fat Scottish face. He really needs to try and get out whatever it is crawled up his ass and died.

That being said, I don't think our failures in the CL have anything to do with overconfidence. The last 5-6 years we just haven't been good enough, period. Maybe we suffered from a bit of overconfidence in the second leg against Monaco in 2004, but after that we just embarassed ourselves with some bad performances.

Machiavel wrote:Sir Alex was asked an honest question gave an honest answer. He also called Heinze a great player, so don’t read much into it. He did praise Benzema and Ribery highly in the piece – expect them to be potential summer transfer signings.

So did Boluda. Luis is just overreacting.

Machiavel wrote:Sir Alex was asked an honest question gave an honest answer . He also called Heinze a great player, so don’t read much into it. He did praise Benzema and Ribery highly in the piece – expect them to be potential summer transfer signings.

Sure. Arsenal have a better chance to win the CL than us when they're trailing behind Villa in the Premiership and they've only been passed the QF once in their history. Yes, the drunk is so "honest"

Torrente wrote:

Jaime wrote:

Torrente wrote:

Luis wrote:

Jaime wrote:Who the hell cares what anybody says? I can't believe people would make such a big deal about it. VDV's not even going to play so who gives a toss what he says?

And I don't buy that the English teams are so "respectful". Remember when Jose Mourinho gave the Barcelona XI in his press conference a few years ago?

How does that compare to claiming you will beat the other team 5-1?

How about the old drunk claiming that Real Madrid have NO CHANCE of winning the CL just a few days ago? Is anything comparable to that?

I forgot about "Sir" Alex.

Part of me wants us to get Ronaldo just to see the look in his fat Scottish face. He really needs to try and get out whatever it is crawled up his ass and died.

That being said, I don't think our failures in the CL have anything to do with overconfidence. The last 5-6 years we just haven't been good enough, period. Maybe we suffered from a bit of overconfidence in the second leg against Monaco in 2004, but after that we just embarassed ourselves with some bad performances.

Yeah it could be fun about Ronaldo regarding Ferguson but don't think we would gain alot from it.

I think against Monaco we could have finished them off in the first game if we wished but there was a arrogant attitude towards them. The Juve game was of a very high quality from us and there was real galatico football there but we were very ineffective at home and the attitude was also crap away.

Torrente wrote:

Machiavel wrote:Sir Alex was asked an honest question gave an honest answer . He also called Heinze a great player, so don’t read much into it. He did praise Benzema and Ribery highly in the piece – expect them to be potential summer transfer signings.

Sure. Arsenal have a better chance to win the CL than us when they're trailing behind Villa in the Premiership and they've only been passed the QF once in their history. Yes, the drunk is so "honest"

The reason for Arsenals deficiencies of late have been the inability of breaking down teams who just come to ‘defend’ (costing them points) as Wenger said in his press conference before the Roma game, Arsenal have as good as a chance as any team even Real Madrid – all SAF said (his opinion) was Real lack pace, maybe this is incorrect and naivety on his part – I think he believes Liverpool can knock out Real, what’s so offensive about this?

Super Madrid wrote:

Torrente wrote:

Jaime wrote:

Torrente wrote:

Luis wrote:

Jaime wrote:Who the hell cares what anybody says? I can't believe people would make such a big deal about it. VDV's not even going to play so who gives a toss what he says?

And I don't buy that the English teams are so "respectful". Remember when Jose Mourinho gave the Barcelona XI in his press conference a few years ago?

How does that compare to claiming you will beat the other team 5-1?

How about the old drunk claiming that Real Madrid have NO CHANCE of winning the CL just a few days ago? Is anything comparable to that?

I forgot about "Sir" Alex.

Part of me wants us to get Ronaldo just to see the look in his fat Scottish face. He really needs to try and get out whatever it is crawled up his ass and died.

That being said, I don't think our failures in the CL have anything to do with overconfidence. The last 5-6 years we just haven't been good enough, period. Maybe we suffered from a bit of overconfidence in the second leg against Monaco in 2004, but after that we just embarassed ourselves with some bad performances.

Yeah it could be fun about Ronaldo regarding Ferguson but don't think we would gain alot from it.

I think against Monaco we could have finished them off in the first game if we wished but there was a arrogant attitude towards them. The Juve game was of a very high quality from us and there was real galatico football there but we were very ineffective at home and the attitude was also crap away.

In the quarterfinal tie against Monaco we paid for conceding a late goal to Monaco in the Bernabeu. We were very casual and they went through on away goals. Same thing happened against Bayern a couple of years ago...when that conte van Bommel scored late in the Bernabeu.

Machiavel wrote:

Torrente wrote:

Machiavel wrote:Sir Alex was asked an honest question gave an honest answer . He also called Heinze a great player, so don’t read much into it. He did praise Benzema and Ribery highly in the piece – expect them to be potential summer transfer signings.

Sure. Arsenal have a better chance to win the CL than us when they're trailing behind Villa in the Premiership and they've only been passed the QF once in their history. Yes, the drunk is so "honest"

The reason for Arsenals deficiencies of late have been the inability of breaking down teams who just come to ‘defend’ (costing them points) as Wenger said in his press conference before the Roma game, Arsenal have as good as a chance as any team even Real Madrid – all SAF said (his opinion) was Real lack pace, maybe this is incorrect and naivety on his part – I think he believes Liverpool can knock out Real, what’s so offensive about this?

Nothing is offensive about it. It's just the point that everyone - including English clubs - make comments before the matches and it shouldn't bother anyone. Luis is trying to make the English clubs seem like some sort of moral beacon to the world.

Yes I remember the wonderful Morientes' goal. He also owned Meija in the second game.

Rai
I don't think anybody would claim that SAF doesn't have it in for Real Madrid. We do have some fast players but that is not really the point though. If we had fast players or not he would have made a negative comment. But I don't take him too serious because he is a bit of c**t, allthough a funny mind you.

Machiavel wrote:

Torrente wrote:

Machiavel wrote:Sir Alex was asked an honest question gave an honest answer . He also called Heinze a great player, so don’t read much into it. He did praise Benzema and Ribery highly in the piece – expect them to be potential summer transfer signings.

Sure. Arsenal have a better chance to win the CL than us when they're trailing behind Villa in the Premiership and they've only been passed the QF once in their history. Yes, the drunk is so "honest"

The reason for Arsenals deficiencies of late have been the inability of breaking down teams who just come to ‘defend’ (costing them points) as Wenger said in his press conference before the Roma game, Arsenal have as good as a chance as any team even Real Madrid – all SAF said (his opinion) was Real lack pace, maybe this is incorrect and naivety on his part – I think he believes Liverpool can knock out Real, what’s so offensive about this?

To say that the 9-times European champions have no chance of winning the competition is offensive, especially when claiming that a team which is 5th in the Premiership has a better chance. And of course, his statement isn't very accurate given that we have more pace than Liverpool with the likes of Robben, Higuain, Marcelo, and Ramos. Even Diarra is quicker than any of Liverpool's CMs.

But anyway, I don't care about what the drunk says. I was just pointing out that Luis's point about English clubs being more respectful is a load of crap.

Super Madrid wrote:
I don't think anybody would claim that SAF doesn't have it in for Real Madrid. We do have some fast players but that is not really the point though. If we had fast players or not he would have made a negative comment. But I don't take him too serious because he is a bit of c**t, allthough a funny mind you.

That’s why I said its naivety on his part also maybe this “animosity” towards Real Madrid is the legacy of Calderón (and his behaviour) you can’t blame SAF for resenting what went on and if that has skewered his perception of Real well that’s his prerogative. I don’t agree with what he said or having this supposdley agenda driven view, but (what he said) it shouldn’t be treated as gospel or whatever.

Machiavel wrote:

Super Madrid wrote:
I don't think anybody would claim that SAF doesn't have it in for Real Madrid. We do have some fast players but that is not really the point though. If we had fast players or not he would have made a negative comment. But I don't take him too serious because he is a bit of c**t, allthough a funny mind you.

That’s why I said its naivety on his part also maybe this “animosity” towards Real Madrid is the legacy of Calderón (and his behaviour) you can’t blame SAF for resenting what went on and if that has skewered his perception of Real well that’s his prerogative. I don’t agree with what he said, but it shouldn’t be treated as gospel or whatever.

Right, this is the point we are trying to make to Luis.

Will turn up the volume in the 7th minute to hear the ‘Juanito’ chant – he did play the last time these two sides meet in the European Cup.

Machiavel wrote:Will turn up the volume in the 7th minute to hear the ‘Juanito’ chant – he did play the last time these two sides meet in the European Cup.

Hopefully the Bernabeu will be filled with the "spirit of Juanito".

Machiavel wrote:Will turn up the volume in the 7th minute to hear the ‘Juanito’ chant – he did play the last time these two sides meet in the European Cup.

I think you would prob have to be in the stadium to hear it but perhaps you can because I tend to just block out what they shout since I don't understand it anyway. Allthough I do remember in the last clasico in Bernabeu they sung Barcas song with Puta instead of Barca.