Kaka' Rossonero! Ciao Manchester City!

When Milan bought Kaka' in 2003, I had barely heard of him. By the time he consigned Rui Costa to the bench, pretty much everyone had heard of him.

Though no one admitted it, Sheva was always likely to turn his back on us; so, in 2006, with 30 million quid in our pocket, we Milan fans were pretty happy. Sheva 30; Abramovich an idiot; Galliani a genius.

Then Berlu and Galliani started gushing (I mean overdrive) about Kaka', and how he would be the symbol of our club, and we would never sell him. When Real and Chelsea were rebuffed all the Rossoneri believed this feel-good nonsense. I did too.

City's offer was always on the cards. Let's face it--Serie A is not what it used to be. Corruption is now endemic, clubs are crumbling due to insurmountable debts, stadiums look dystopian, people are dying while going to football matches, and, to add to all of this, the Italian economy is in a slump. City owners may be spendthrifts, but they are not idiots. They know that Serie A clubs are plum targets because of the state the league is in. The brightest star in Italy is Kaka', not Ibra, and so it makes sense for them to go for him.

People have already discussed the implications for football, but for Milan things look horrible.

1) This will indicate, without a doubt, that Milan are full of shit. Not surprising, considering Berlu owns the club, but really, this is disappointing. So their word can never be trusted.

2) The money will not be used in the transfer market. Berlu is 71. He doesn't care about the club like he used to. The capo di tutti capi will find some way to cheat Milan fans out of this. Mark my words--we will keep Favalli and possibly give him a raise.

3) Our relationship with Kaka' is ruined. Milan accept the bid and tell Kaka to deal with City. After Kaka' turned down Real and Chelsea, we want him to go to City.

4) Without Kaka' we are half the team. Everyone knows it. Pirlo will continue to fall asleep on the pitch. Seedorf will put in consistently inconsistent performances. Favalli will forget what position he plays in. And Maldini will be given an extension. Meanwhile, Gourcuff will ask to play, but instead Pippo will.

5) If Kaka' stays, it will be really awkward.

6) If Kaka' doesn't go to City, then he will go to Real this summer, after what Milan did to him.


So all in all, we are screwed.

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote: The brightest star in Italy is Kaka', not Ibra

Is he really ?

He's very high on my overrated list...

Ibra must be pretty high too.

@Forza

I don't mind selling anybody for that amount of money, assuming that the money will be used to fund the reinforcements we need.

But as you said it probably won't happen. They'll spend the minimum amount they can, as usual, and then they'll say they used the rest to 'balance the books'. Weird that our debt is almost non-existent compared to other major European clubs. Galliani will also blame the 'economic crisis' and the high taxation in Italy that prevents us from signing top players(but it doesn't affect Inter one bit).

Things won't get much better I think, yes Berlusconi IS filthy rich but he does not invest in the club anymore and he won't do it in the future especially since the prime-minister of Italy cannot go around and splash millions on his football club considering the state of the economy at the moment. I think the situation will only get worse when his kids take over, at least Berlusconi loves football and Milan(he did literally save our club 2 decades ago) whereas his kids will only see things from a business perspective. I remember reading a while ago that Marina Berlusconi said that she doesn't want Fininvest to be spending so much money on Milan and advised her father to stop funding the clubs transfers to such a large extent.

If you guys invest the better part of that money in the team this would be a good move for you I'd say. Gourcuff has not proven himself yet but he has shown that all the talent is there. That's no guarantee but it is something. Plus 100M can revitalize your defense with more leftover.

Having said that, If the money gets pocketed of course its a negative outcome. I don't know the internal workings of the club very well so I can't really comment on how likely that will be.

I don't think things as are dire as your worst fears though. From everything that I've seen Kaka is a gentleman and he seems to really love your club so I don't think the relationship is as irrevocably damaged as you think. If he stays on, the fans will be behind him, and if management recommit to him, I think he can continue with Milan. I just hope he doesn't go to City. That would be a shame for football.

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:
3) Our relationship with Kaka' is ruined. Milan accept the bid and tell Kaka to deal with City. After Kaka' turned down Real and Chelsea, we want him to go to City.

5) If Kaka' stays, it will be really awkward.

6) If Kaka' doesn't go to City, then he will go to Real this summer, after what Milan did to him.

If it were anyone else, I would agree but Kaka seems to be an honourable person - both from what you read about him and his actions (always being clear about his intentions to stay with Milan).

I mean, for example, when Valdano came as manager in 94-95 he told everyone flat out that he didn't want Zamorano and that he would be sold if any offers came. In the end, the Chilean did not move and not only did he work his way into the plans of Valdano he went on to become the pichichi. And just last summer, Guardiola made it very clear that Eto'o was welcome to leave. He was practically begging for offers. Of course we know that the summer transfer window closed and Eto'o remained and he has gone from strength to stength. As long as you are not dealing with a child (e.g. Robinho) I think it is possible for the player and club to move forward together.

I think the bigger implication if he does actually go (which I really doubt) is that there is almost no loyalty in football. The only loyal players are homegrown players. Casillas was linked with Man City for about two days and he came out and said that he would never go there or anywhere else. Players that grow up in a club, loving the club is one of the only ways that you can really find some loyalty.

is Sao Paolo going to get 20M from Milan for this transfer as well?

in any case, I don't think it is a shame for football necessarily. Man City are only doing what the big boys have been doing to the little clubs for many a year, make them offers they cannot afford to turn down.
They have to offer over the odds because otherwise the players wouldn't want to come to them, whereas clubs like Real Madrid have often used the club's cache as a wedge to get the player they were after.

I for one would be interested seeing Kaka at Man City. Would add some spice again to the EPL. Of course it is more charming to see a club break into the established top the way Villa are doing (and Spurs and Everton had attempted before them) but in the end they probably just end up fifth and without having actually achieved their goal.

And let's not beat around the bush. All the current big clubs in Europe are there because of their financial muscle.

Don't forget something. This is just a beginning of the players that City will buy this summer. Kaka is only the first one. I see here the same what Abramovich did when he arrived at Chelsea, bought a half of team.
I'm just waiting for the moment when they are going to knock on our doors and ask one of our best players, just don't know which one is going to be.
Same will be with other Eurepan big teams.
And the worst thing is, that they can afford it.

Axeslammer wrote:

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote: The brightest star in Italy is Kaka', not Ibra

Is he really ?

He's very high on my overrated list...

You must have a shit list.

There could be serious implications in terms of wage deals...for example, Yaya Toure's agent is already starting the games with us ahead of his inevitable contract negotiations in the summer. He is being paid 2m a year, but Man. City are interested and would probably gladly double or even triple his salary. Now his agent will come back to the table saying "I want the same from Barça", and we don't really have a choice if we want to keep the player.

On the flip side, if we do sell, we can at least get inflated transfer fees. I'm pretty sure if Etoo's negotiations this summer get complicated, Txiki will play his own games by talking to Man. City and asking them how much they will pay...if their takeover had been completed last summer, then he would have surely gone to them because no other big club was paying the 40m euro asking fee.

Forza, it's even worse then that. Even if Milan want to spend the money on new players then, for every player Milan bids his team will rise the price because they know Milan has 120 M in the bank.

It will be interesting to see whether Kaka leaves in this transfer period or in the summer. I would be shocked if Kaka leaves to Man City this month given their current position in the league. They have no chance of qualifying for the CL, so even the best case scenario would have Kaka playing the UEFA Cup for two years in a row. This would also mean that Milan has 0 chance of winning the Scudetto this year, given that they will not find any players in the transfer window that are anywhere near as good as Kaka.

However, if Milan wait to sell until the summer, they have a new problem. The likes of Real Madrid and ManU may come knocking. These teams will not offer anywhere near as much as City, but Kaka will be more willing to go there and may finally rebel against Milan, forcing them to accept a lower offer.

I really hope for Kaka that he doesn't end up at City. I'm not just saying that because this opens the possibility for a Madrid move (Florentino must surely gotten on the phone with his agent by now), but because Kaka doesn't deserve to end up in a mediocre team after everything he's done. He's proven to be very loyal to Milan, and deserves better. I would rather see him go to ManU or Chelsea, even if they're our direct rivals in the CL.

Gone wrote:

Axeslammer wrote:

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote: The brightest star in Italy is Kaka', not Ibra

Is he really ?

He's very high on my overrated list...

You must have a shit list.

Rate him quite high, though he hasnt really set the world on fire for 3 seasons now, I know he was good in CL 3 seasons ago but overall.

Jaime wrote:I think the bigger implication if he does actually go (which I really doubt) is that there is almost no loyalty in football. The only loyal players are homegrown players. Casillas was linked with Man City for about two days and he came out and said that he would never go there or anywhere else. Players that grow up in a club, loving the club is one of the only ways that you can really find some loyalty.

Zanetti is not homegrown at Inter. I am yet to come across a player who has been more loyal. Maldini, Raul, Casillas - at least they were playing for clubs which were winning silverware in their country and even europe. Zanetti stayed with Inter, inspite of top offers, thru our worst phase in history, never even asking for a wage increase! Through out these 14 years, he has been regarded among the top 2-3 RBs in the world, yet he refused approaches from top clubs.

Loyalty is not over. There are fewer shining examples, but they still are out there.

Torrente wrote:It will be interesting to see whether Kaka leaves in this transfer period or in the summer. I would be shocked if Kaka leaves to Man City this month given their current position in the league. They have no chance of qualifying for the CL, so even the best case scenario would have Kaka playing the UEFA Cup for two years in a row. This would also mean that Milan has 0 chance of winning the Scudetto this year, given that they will not find any players in the transfer window that are anywhere near as good as Kaka.

I think most of you are forgetting that Milan already have Ronaldinho and own Gourcuff. They don't need a kaka replacement, coz they already have one, and a back up! IMO Dinho is as good as Kaka.

Like I said in a previous thread, if Milan could exhange Kaka for Chiellini+Mexes+Benzema+Vargas (whom they can buy for that kind of money), then Milan will become much stronger than what they are now.

But I can understand the agony of Milan fans... chances are that Berlu+Galliani would not spend most of the money...

Poor kid. Wonder what happened - hope its not something that Galliani said...

Kaka's leaving would be bad for Serie A, unless Milan spend that money to bring more stars into Serie A...

Kaka "crying" about City move
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Kaka was spotted “in tears” at the Milanello training ground and could break down during tonight’s fan protests against Fiorentina. According to several newspapers, including the Corriere dello Sport, the target of a £108m Manchester City bid was weeping as he left the locker room.

Tonight could well be his final match in a Rossoneri jersey and it may get emotional, as fans are planning a huge demonstration of love for the player at San Siro. They hope to convince him – and the club – to turn down a record-shattering transfer fee of £108m plus another £108m in wages and £27m in fees. The Corriere dello Sport also claims that City have accepted a clause in Kaka’s contract allowing him to walk away for £60m if any of the contract terms are breached. Wages were boosted as recompense for not playing in the Champions League next season, so he would be earning around £16m per season. Meanwhile, The Sun newspaper has dug up an old interview in which Kaka expresses less than flattering opinions about Manchester City.

“Arsenal and Manchester United are different from the other English teams. They play a bit more and are more open. "They are different from the typical English teams who have a tall striker and hold on to the ball. “That’s more typical of Liverpool and Chelsea, who are very tactical sides — more English. Man United and Arsenal are more agile. They let other teams play and they play, too.”

A report which backs Forza's fears...

Report: Kaka To Join Manchester City Next Week
Kaka is being pressured into leaving Milan for Manchester City, it is claimed - with the English Premier League side set to complete his transfer next week. It is being reported in the English tabloid press that Kaka is now expected to join Manchester City next week - though more through pressure than preference. Early editions of Saturday's Daily Mirror claim that Kaka has been "railroaded into accepting the £108 million move."

According to Mirror Sport, the Milan and Brazil playmaker bid an emotional farewell to club coach Carlo Ancelotti when he left training on Friday, and is unlikely to figure in the Rossoneri's Serie A clash with Fiorentina at the San Siro on Saturday night. It remains to be seen how accurate this report is, but the paper, on its online version, says Kaka's love affair with the Milan club is over, adding that the blow will be softened by a £10m signing-on fee and a £15m-a-year salary. It also says that Kaka’s father and chief adviser, Bosco Leite, will hold talks with City officials in Milan on Monday, but reports claims from the Middle East that Kaka has already agreed to the transfer with Manchester City’s Abu Dhabi-based owners.

Despite the astronomical amounts of money being offered, former World Player of the Year Kaka, 26, is said by Mirror Sport's sources to be unhappy about the move, feeling that he is being pressurised into leaving a team he helped win the Champions League in 2007 for one embroiled in a battle to avoid relegation. City's last major trophy was the 1976 League Cup. Earlier this week Kaka revealed that he hoped to “grow old” with Milan, to whom he is contracted until 2013.

bluenine wrote:

Jaime wrote:I think the bigger implication if he does actually go (which I really doubt) is that there is almost no loyalty in football. The only loyal players are homegrown players. Casillas was linked with Man City for about two days and he came out and said that he would never go there or anywhere else. Players that grow up in a club, loving the club is one of the only ways that you can really find some loyalty.

Zanetti is not homegrown at Inter. I am yet to come across a player who has been more loyal. Maldini, Raul, Casillas - at least they were playing for clubs which were winning silverware in their country and even europe. Zanetti stayed with Inter, inspite of top offers, thru our worst phase in history, never even asking for a wage increase! Through out these 14 years, he has been regarded among the top 2-3 RBs in the world, yet he refused approaches from top clubs.

Loyalty is not over. There are fewer shining examples, but they still are out there.

Giggs, had offers from the continent but still here after 18 years, Scholes too.

bluenine wrote:

Jaime wrote:I think the bigger implication if he does actually go (which I really doubt) is that there is almost no loyalty in football. The only loyal players are homegrown players. Casillas was linked with Man City for about two days and he came out and said that he would never go there or anywhere else. Players that grow up in a club, loving the club is one of the only ways that you can really find some loyalty.

Zanetti is not homegrown at Inter. I am yet to come across a player who has been more loyal. Maldini, Raul, Casillas - at least they were playing for clubs which were winning silverware in their country and even europe. Zanetti stayed with Inter, inspite of top offers, thru our worst phase in history, never even asking for a wage increase! Through out these 14 years, he has been regarded among the top 2-3 RBs in the world, yet he refused approaches from top clubs.

Loyalty is not over. There are fewer shining examples, but they still are out there.

Maybe his wife and kids just didn't want to move anywhere, and he was one of those weak husbands like Shevchenko

bluenine wrote:A report which backs Forza's fears...

Report: Kaka To Join Manchester City Next Week
Kaka is being pressured into leaving Milan for Manchester City, it is claimed - with the English Premier League side set to complete his transfer next week. It is being reported in the English tabloid press that Kaka is now expected to join Manchester City next week - though more through pressure than preference. Early editions of Saturday's Daily Mirror claim that Kaka has been "railroaded into accepting the £108 million move."

According to Mirror Sport, the Milan and Brazil playmaker bid an emotional farewell to club coach Carlo Ancelotti when he left training on Friday, and is unlikely to figure in the Rossoneri's Serie A clash with Fiorentina at the San Siro on Saturday night. It remains to be seen how accurate this report is, but the paper, on its online version, says Kaka's love affair with the Milan club is over, adding that the blow will be softened by a £10m signing-on fee and a £15m-a-year salary. It also says that Kaka’s father and chief adviser, Bosco Leite, will hold talks with City officials in Milan on Monday, but reports claims from the Middle East that Kaka has already agreed to the transfer with Manchester City’s Abu Dhabi-based owners.

Despite the astronomical amounts of money being offered, former World Player of the Year Kaka, 26, is said by Mirror Sport's sources to be unhappy about the move, feeling that he is being pressurised into leaving a team he helped win the Champions League in 2007 for one embroiled in a battle to avoid relegation. City's last major trophy was the 1976 League Cup. Earlier this week Kaka revealed that he hoped to “grow old” with Milan, to whom he is contracted until 2013.

Kaka really needs to grow some cojones and reject the move if he is unhappy.

It's not like the transfer has reached a point of no return, Kaka has maintained he wants to stay in Milan. Ancelotti won't drop him from the squad or anything, if anything he will be relieved. Only possible person that will be disgruntled is Gallani.

If Kaka' goes to City he will not be able to make an impact on the CL for possibly three years. In short, by the time he is 30.

As a professional this is a suicidal move.

@Bluenine

What would you want Moratti to do if it were Ibra?

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:If Kaka' goes to City he will not be able to make an impact on the CL for possibly three years. In short, by the time he is 30.

As a professional this is a suicidal move.

@Bluenine

What would you want Moratti to do if it were Ibra?

For £108M, I would sell Ibra without a doubt!!!! Probably put Adriano and Crespo in free as a deal sweetner.

Inter can buy a whole new strike force which is more effective for that kind of money... Benzema+Ribery+Drogba, that would be better than having Ibra.

bluenine wrote:

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:If Kaka' goes to City he will not be able to make an impact on the CL for possibly three years. In short, by the time he is 30.

As a professional this is a suicidal move.

@Bluenine

What would you want Moratti to do if it were Ibra?

For £108M, I would sell Ibra without a doubt!!!! Probably put Adriano and Crespo in free as a deal sweetner.

Inter can buy a whole new strike force which is more effective for that kind of money... Benzema+Ribery+Drogba, that would be better than having Ibra.

Assuming City don't get there first...

Kaka has been associated with Manchester City for several
months now, but over the past few days the chance of a blockbuster transfer has become more and more possible.

'Arabian Business' yesterday claimed that a deal had
been sealed, which would see Manchester City pay Milan around €112
million, with Kaka earning €380,000 per week.

This
front page story disappeared from www.arabianbusiness.com around an
hour after first appearing, throwing talk of any confirmed move into
severe doubt.

However,
it seems that the transfer is now highly likely to take place after
Milan President Silvio Berlusconi confirmed that he will probably sell
the Brazilian.

"I will have to probably sell him," the Italian Prime Minister told La Stampa.

"City have made a really big offer to him, more than

€15m after tax per year in wages.

"If
i don't sell him then the balance of the team will go up in smoke. I
risk losing him without earning anything from the deal. I just need to
consider the fans and find a transfer hit...we'll see."

It
remains to be seen how Milan fans will react to this news, especially
as a large number of supporters took to the streets last night to
protest against the transfer.

What is certain though is that Kaka is now highly likely to leave Milan for Manchester City.

Del Peiro...he stayed with the club even after they were demoted to B Division. Yes, loyalty is not dead but the problem is what can a player do when the club itself has turned it's back to him. Looks like the case with Kaka as well.

bluenine wrote:

Jaime wrote:I think the bigger implication if he does actually go (which I really doubt) is that there is almost no loyalty in football. The only loyal players are homegrown players. Casillas was linked with Man City for about two days and he came out and said that he would never go there or anywhere else. Players that grow up in a club, loving the club is one of the only ways that you can really find some loyalty.

Zanetti is not homegrown at Inter. I am yet to come across a player who has been more loyal. Maldini, Raul, Casillas - at least they were playing for clubs which were winning silverware in their country and even europe. Zanetti stayed with Inter, inspite of top offers, thru our worst phase in history, never even asking for a wage increase! Through out these 14 years, he has been regarded among the top 2-3 RBs in the world, yet he refused approaches from top clubs.

Loyalty is not over. There are fewer shining examples, but they still are out there.

DS wrote:

Gone wrote:

Axeslammer wrote:

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote: The brightest star in Italy is Kaka', not Ibra

Is he really ?

He's very high on my overrated list...

You must have a shit list.

Rate him quite high, though he hasnt really set the world on fire for 3 seasons now, I know he was good in CL 3 seasons ago but overall.

you mean 2 seasons ago.

Tarun wrote:Del Peiro...he stayed with the club even after they were demoted to B Division. Yes, loyalty is not dead but the problem is what can a player do when the club itself has turned it's back to him. Looks like the case with Kaka as well.

bluenine wrote:

Jaime wrote:I think the bigger implication if he does actually go (which I really doubt) is that there is almost no loyalty in football. The only loyal players are homegrown players. Casillas was linked with Man City for about two days and he came out and said that he would never go there or anywhere else. Players that grow up in a club, loving the club is one of the only ways that you can really find some loyalty.

Zanetti is not homegrown at Inter. I am yet to come across a player who has been more loyal. Maldini, Raul, Casillas - at least they were playing for clubs which were winning silverware in their country and even europe. Zanetti stayed with Inter, inspite of top offers, thru our worst phase in history, never even asking for a wage increase! Through out these 14 years, he has been regarded among the top 2-3 RBs in the world, yet he refused approaches from top clubs.

Loyalty is not over. There are fewer shining examples, but they still are out there.

It seems to me that Milan want the money. if Berlu keeps this money then Milan fans should storm the club and just take over. it would be a huge disgrace. I feel for Milan fans because they are in a position where the management won't do anything for the fans. we have it bad with corrupt presidents but at least they have to live up the fans or they will be thrown out. Milan should hope somebody wants to buy them from Berlu. Has anybody made such a bid?

This transfer kind of reminds of Drogba's when he left Marseille for Chelsea. He didn't want to leave but the club received an offer they couldn't reject. Sometimes we do forget that football is run like a business. I don't agree with it at all, but that's how business works. Surely Milan are going to spend half of it on really good players.

Alive and Kicking wrote:This transfer kind of reminds of Drogba's when he left Marseille for Chelsea. He didn't want to leave but the club received an offer they couldn't reject. Sometimes we do forget that football is run like a business. I don't agree with it at all, but that's how business works. Surely Milan are going to spend half of it on really good players.

Similar to the Nesta transfer to Milan too. We had to cash in on him.

bluenine wrote:

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:If Kaka' goes to City he will not be able to make an impact on the CL for possibly three years. In short, by the time he is 30.

As a professional this is a suicidal move.

@Bluenine

What would you want Moratti to do if it were Ibra?

For £108M, I would sell Ibra without a doubt!!!! Probably put Adriano and Crespo in free as a deal sweetner.

Inter can buy a whole new strike force which is more effective for that kind of money... Benzema+Ribery+Drogba, that would be better than having Ibra.

Blunine you work in the business world right? Im just guesing since you have made some threads that show a very organised side. I gues that is where the cynical side comes from. what if Man City bid £100M for Zanetti?
I would kind of understand if Milan wanted to sell because they have some building to do but Inter has a pretty good team already and wouldn't have to spend money that Moratti doesn't already have.