Kaka' Rossonero! Ciao Manchester City!

Kaka is 27? They're not going to get £107M offer ever again. He's going to be in his 30's soon and one of Kaka's main assest is his burst of speed. He will probably soon lose that as he ages, so it would be the ideal time to sell him.

A bit similar to the Shevcenko situation.

Super Madrid wrote:

bluenine wrote:

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:If Kaka' goes to City he will not be able to make an impact on the CL for possibly three years. In short, by the time he is 30.

As a professional this is a suicidal move.

@Bluenine

What would you want Moratti to do if it were Ibra?

For £108M, I would sell Ibra without a doubt!!!! Probably put Adriano and Crespo in free as a deal sweetner.

Inter can buy a whole new strike force which is more effective for that kind of money... Benzema+Ribery+Drogba, that would be better than having Ibra.

Blunine you work in the business world right? Im just guesing since you have made some threads that show a very organised side. I gues that is where the cynical side comes from. what if Man City bid £100M for Zanetti?
I would kind of understand if Milan wanted to sell because they have some building to do but Inter has a pretty good team already and wouldn't have to spend money that Moratti doesn't already have.

From a purely business perspective it makes sense to sell him though. He's 35, and whilst Inter are in a better state than Milan, Moratti will be getting tight with the money (he's apparantly quite angry that he shelled out so much money for Quaresma, who's now a flop), plus Inter could still do with a new striker and creative midfielder.

Zanetti is the symbol of Inter though. It would be like Milan selling Maldini or Roma selling Totti i.e. it wouldn't happen unless the club desperately needed cash like we did when we sold Nesta.

It's one thing if the club is selling him to an RM, Barca, Man U type thing where he is okay with the move. Forcing him to go to Man City when he wants to stay is cynical in the extreme and for all that money, what type of message does that send to the rest of the players? People often say that there is no loyalty left in football, and it seems this is true of clubs as well as players. Milan are rewarding Kaka's loyalty to them by kicking him out the door.

King Pipita wrote:It's one thing if the club is selling him to an RM, Barca, Man U type thing where he is okay with the move. Forcing him to go to Man City when he wants to stay is cynical in the extreme and for all that money, what type of message does that send to the rest of the players? People often say that there is no loyalty left in football, and it seems this is true of clubs as well as players. Milan are rewarding Kaka's loyalty to them by kicking him out the door.

Kaka should put his foot down and stay. He will lose a lot of credibility if he goes to MC.

King Pipita wrote:It's one thing if the club is selling him to an RM, Barca, Man U type thing where he is okay with the move. Forcing him to go to Man City when he wants to stay is cynical in the extreme and for all that money, what type of message does that send to the rest of the players? People often say that there is no loyalty left in football, and it seems this is true of clubs as well as players. Milan are rewarding Kaka's loyalty to them by kicking him out the door.

They are simply weighing up their options as any responsible business would do. It is still more likely they will tell city to fuck off but any club which did not entertain the thought of what a £100 million cash injection could influence them would be a bit foolish.

The actual team is not all that healthy at the minute so a complete renovation would probably help Milan in the long run, while at the minute it would be horrible to lose kaka.

It's a difficult one because it's hard to know whether I would be happy accepting £100 million for gerrard or torres. I genuinely do not know which would be the option that served liverpool best in the long term.

Gazzetta dello Sport has printed what they think our 'shortlist' would be:

Clichy, Adebayor, Essien and Alex .

I knew Galliani would only piss the money away like he usually does but that's ridiculous, Essien aside.

If we're going to 'raid' the Premiership then i'd rather we took Mascherano and Xabi Alonso from Liverpool - not that they would sell of course, hopefully they have more substance about these things than Berlusconi.

David Villa, Sergio Ramos and Frey would be ideal additions as well, not that we'll sign any of them.

Probably get more shite like Senderos and Flamini, extend 'Goldenballs' contract and re-sign Cafu and Serginho. Should probably get Billy back from Modena as well.

bluenine wrote:
Zanetti is not homegrown at Inter. I am yet to come across a player who has been more loyal.

Matthew Le Tissier. Without a doubt.

Pirlo wrote:Gazzetta dello Sport has printed what they think our 'shortlist' would be:

Clichy, Adebayor, Essien and Alex .

I knew Galliani would only piss the money away like he usually does but that's ridiculous, Essien aside.

If we're going to 'raid' the Premiership then i'd rather we took Mascherano and Xabi Alonso from Liverpool - not that they would sell of course, hopefully they have more substance about these things than Berlusconi.

David Villa, Sergio Ramos and Frey would be ideal additions as well, not that we'll sign any of them.

Probably get more shite like Senderos and Flamini, extend 'Goldenballs' contract and re-sign Cafu and Serginho. Should probably get Billy back from Modena as well.

Is that the Alex at Fenerbache or at Chelsea?

You can have both clichy and Adebayor for the right price £50m for both.

Pirlo wrote:Gazzetta dello Sport has printed what they think our 'shortlist' would be:

Clichy, Adebayor, Essien and Alex .

I knew Galliani would only piss the money away like he usually does but that's ridiculous, Essien aside.

If we're going to 'raid' the Premiership then i'd rather we took Mascherano and Xabi Alonso from Liverpool - not that they would sell of course, hopefully they have more substance about these things than Berlusconi.

David Villa, Sergio Ramos and Frey would be ideal additions as well, not that we'll sign any of them.

Probably get more shite like Senderos and Flamini, extend 'Goldenballs' contract and re-sign Cafu and Serginho. Should probably get Billy back from Modena as well.

Hands off

COTR wrote:

King Pipita wrote:It's one thing if the club is selling him to an RM, Barca, Man U type thing where he is okay with the move. Forcing him to go to Man City when he wants to stay is cynical in the extreme and for all that money, what type of message does that send to the rest of the players? People often say that there is no loyalty left in football, and it seems this is true of clubs as well as players. Milan are rewarding Kaka's loyalty to them by kicking him out the door.

They are simply weighing up their options as any responsible business would do. It is still more likely they will tell city to fuck off but any club which did not entertain the thought of what a £100 million cash injection could influence them would be a bit foolish.

The actual team is not all that healthy at the minute so a complete renovation would probably help Milan in the long run, while at the minute it would be horrible to lose kaka.

It's a difficult one because it's hard to know whether I would be happy accepting £100 million for gerrard or torres. I genuinely do not know which would be the option that served liverpool best in the long term.

If Gerrard left for City purely because of wages you would be howling mad. But when it is reversed and a club boots a loyal player like Kaka purely for money (which Berlusconi has plenty of), all of a sudden its just business. I think loyalty runs both ways and sadly, there isn't much of it left in football on either side.

King Pipita wrote:

COTR wrote:

King Pipita wrote:It's one thing if the club is selling him to an RM, Barca, Man U type thing where he is okay with the move. Forcing him to go to Man City when he wants to stay is cynical in the extreme and for all that money, what type of message does that send to the rest of the players? People often say that there is no loyalty left in football, and it seems this is true of clubs as well as players. Milan are rewarding Kaka's loyalty to them by kicking him out the door.

They are simply weighing up their options as any responsible business would do. It is still more likely they will tell city to fuck off but any club which did not entertain the thought of what a £100 million cash injection could influence them would be a bit foolish.

The actual team is not all that healthy at the minute so a complete renovation would probably help Milan in the long run, while at the minute it would be horrible to lose kaka.

It's a difficult one because it's hard to know whether I would be happy accepting £100 million for gerrard or torres. I genuinely do not know which would be the option that served liverpool best in the long term.

If Gerrard left for City purely because of wages you would be howling mad. But when it is reversed and a club boots a loyal player like Kaka purely for money (which Berlusconi has plenty of), all of a sudden its just business. I think loyalty runs both ways and sadly, there isn't much of it left in football on either side.

I completly agree with you. That is the perspective that is often forgotten, allthough in a sense i understand it because it is easier for fans to organise their hate on a player who they can boo or whatever, but when it is a club doing it that is something else. It leaves Kaka is difficult place because he know sees that they don't value him as much as he has valued them. When Real came knocking he was more willing however Milan made it seem like amount in the world would get him but now they are showing to be quite the cynical themselves. Very sad Milan fans inded.

Kaka: Deeply reluctant to join City
• Adviser to Sheikh Mansour rubbishes transfer stories
• Brazilian believed to be keen on staying at Milan



The prospects of Kaká making a world-record January transfer from Milan to Manchester City appeared to be over last night after a highly placed source close to City's owner claimed widespread reports of a £100m bid were "absolutely ridiculous". Kaká himself is also understood to be deeply reluctant to join City – whatever the fee and salary package – unless there is a change of manager.

The adviser to Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan, City's billionaire owner, told Observer Sport from Abu Dhabi last night that media coverage of City's offer for the Milan player, plus reported £500,000-a-week wages, was wildly unrealistic – giving credence to growing rumours in Italy that the story has been hyped up by Milan owner Silvio Berlusconi, in an attempt to earn good publicity when no move materialises and Kaká stays at the San Siro. First reports of the "£100m" bid appeared on a website owned by Berlusconi.

"The reports are absolutely ridiculous and so far wide of the mark it's unreal," said the source, who claimed that while contact had been made with Milan, any deal for the former Fifa World Player of the Year would involve an offer nearer to £50m than the reported £100m. "Kaká would command a price around that of previous world-best players. But at the moment it is difficult to pick an exact number."

Luís Figo and Zinedine Zidane, who also won the Fifa award, were bought for £38m and £46m respectively, with the latter figure representing the current world record for a transfer, which was paid by Real Madrid to Juventus for the French midfielder in 2001.

The adviser also claimed that, contrary to reports, negotiations have still to reach an advanced stage for Kaká, that no formal contact has been with the player, and that a defining element of financing any deal would have to include intellectual property rights to make it commercially realistic.

"A hundred million, in pounds or euros, is ridiculous," he said. "It doubles the previous record for a transfer and, in the current economic climate, how could there possibly be a return on that or a salary of £500,000 a-week? You could do so much else with that amount of money. And, whatever happens, there would be no lump sum payment: payments would be over time.

"You have to remember also that the player has not even been spoken to by us – he is simply one of a list that interests Mark Hughes. We merely said, 'Ok, this might be nice.' It's a process like viewing a house. If you like what you see, then you take it on a stage. It should be remembered that Manchester City's owner is an intelligent man. He will not just throw money at anything. And Gary Cook [City chief executive] was formerly at Nike so knows all about intellectual property rights."

David Beckham's lucrative remuneration packages at Real Madrid and Los Angeles Galaxy – he is thought to earn £25m a year at the US club – were financed by earnings from his intellectual property including image rights. Kaká, a devoutly religious man whose highly respectable image has already attracted blockbuster deals with Armani and Adidas, would be sure to generate millions in off-field earnings, which would be a complex part of any proposed deal.

But regardless of the financial obstacles, Kaká's reluctance to join a club of City's stature also appears to have hardened. While City still expect to meet Kaká's father Bosco Leite this week, sources close to the player suggested last night that Kaká would want City to appoint José Mourinho "or a manager of close calibre" to convince him he would be moving to an "appropriate platform", and that City would be capable of rapidly establishing themselves as "one of the best eight teams in the world".

Kaká is in regular contact with Brazil team-mates Robinho and Elano, who have found Hughes hard to work with at Eastlands, the latter complaining publicly about a lack of communication from the manager. Kaká has also told advisers he would not consent to a move from Milan unless the club had a coherent strategy to challenge for the Champions League trophy. The 26-year-old would further seek assurances that Sheikh Mansour will neither lose interest in City and walk away nor significantly reduce his investment in the club, as Roman Abramovich has done at Chelsea.

Kaká's long-term adviser Diogo Kotscho told Observer Sport: "We have to see a good project, a winning project, for any club to be eligible to have a player like Kaká. We have to be convinced that

Manchester City can turn themselves – in the short term – into one of the best eight teams in the world."

Bringing Mourinho to Manchester would help, and City are understood to have made moves in that direction. According to one of the former Chelsea manager's closest advisers, the sheikh's representatives contacted Mourinho's camp shortly after their September takeover to offer him the City job with immediate effect. Mourinho swiftly rejected a proposal that would have doubled his already lucrative salary at Internazionale. He has, however, monitored City's progress since and such is his desire to return to English football has not ruled out the possibility of joining them next season.

Mourinho's conditions would be similar to Kaká's – the promise of a front-seat role in a "very great project" coupled with a financial offer that would be extremely difficult to resist. Even the combination of both, however, are not guaranteed to bring City success in the pursuit of the pair with the political turmoil at Real Madrid another significant complication.

Ramon Calderon's resignation as Real president over allegations of vote rigging has opened the path for candidates for the post to base their election campaign around the pursuit of Kaká. The player himself would prefer a move to Madrid, Manchester United or Chelsea –should Abramovich resolve his financial difficulties.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/jan/18/kaka-manchester-city-milan

Good to hear but either way quite cynical by Berlu but that is what you would expect from such a guy. This might not be true either but I still don't quite believe that this will happen and we will see Kaka in a Man City shirt.

Super Madrid wrote:Good to hear but either way quite cynical by Berlu but that is what you would expect from such a guy. This might not be true either but I still don't quite believe that this will happen and we will see Kaka in a Man City shirt.

At this stage I don't know what to believe. I hate Berlusconi.

Telegraph:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/mancity/4279566/Kakas-Manchester-City-deal-to-spark-AC-Milan-raid-on-Premier-League.html


Kaka's Manchester City deal to spark AC Milan raid on Premier League
AC Milan will use the £103 million they expect to receive from Manchester City for Kaka to make a series of raids on the Premier League and thoroughly restructure their ageing squad.


By Duncan White and Rory Smith
Last Updated: 10:52PM GMT 17 Jan 2009
Kaka move could spark Premier League raid from AC Milan
Cash flow: Kaka move could spark Premier League raid from AC Milan Photo: GETTY IMAGES

Top of their list of targets are the Arsenal pair Emmanuel Adebayor and Gael Clichy, with Milan prepared to part with close to £40 million to bring them to the San Siro. Inadvertently, City will turn the Milan club into a powerful Premier League predator.

Arsene Wenger, the Arsenal manager, lost Mathieu Flamini to Milan in the summer and the Italian club have been keen on bringing Adebayor and Clichy to the San Siro after Arsenal so impressively eliminated them from the Champions League last season.

But City manager Mark Hughes said last night there was still some way to go to complete the proposed world-record deal for Kaka. “There’s plans to speak to his father because he is his main adviser so at some point that meeting has to take place,” Hughes said.

“It’s not a simple transfer. It’s not a case of talking to the club, then talking to the boy and getting the deal done in 24 or 48 hours. If it is to be completed it will be very complex because there are so many elements to it.”

Crucially Silvio Berlusconi, the Milan owner, has made it clear it will be “very difficult” to keep the Brazilian at the club and compared his situation with that of Andrei Shevchenko before he moved to Chelsea in the summer of 2006. “Nothing is decided yet but it is very difficult to ask someone to stay and respect his contract when he has been offered such a huge amount of money,” Berlusconi said.

While losing Kaka will hurt Milan, it will allow the club to revitalise an ageing squad. The cash from the projected deal would be used to secure the £8.5 million signing of Liverpool’s Daniel Agger and, if sources close to the club are to be believed, Chelsea’s unsettled centre-back Alex.

The deal will also be good news for David Beckham, who is on loan at Milan, as should the Kaka deal go through, the club will increase their efforts to secure the former captain, whose global profile will help limit the impact of losing a sponsors’ favourite.

Sources in Milan suggested the club will also use the cash to move for Italy goalkeeper Gianluigi Buffon of Juventus — a long-standing City target himself — as well as doing some refurbishing work on their San Siro stadium.

The pursuit of Kaka has not prevented City making moves for other targets. They are favourites to sign Craig Bellamy from West Ham and Steve Bruce hinted yesterday that they are also interested in signing his Wigan player Wilson Palacios.




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So two very different stories. I will say this, telegraph has been more reliable in the past. When Calciopoli broke, they were one of the first English papers to say we wanted to sign Zambo. Then Galliani revealed last year, that we indeed were, but because of our points docking, we couldn't.

Galliani: Kaka solves credit crunch
Sunday 18 January, 2009
Milan general manager Adriano Galliani was verbally abused by angry fans, but explains why he would never have sold Kaka a year ago and is now reconsidering.

“Milan and Kaka have not signed anything with Manchester City. As for me, I have the same feelings as the fans and love this club, but as general manager I have to keep sentiment and reasoning together.

“I believe a football club should live off its own resources and not a magnate, as when the patron is no longer able or willing to spend immense sums, things can crumble.”

Galliani was in the stands for Saturday night’s 1-0 win over Fiorentina and at half-time had to be protected by stewards as hoards of furious supporters shouted abuse and waved cash at the transfer guru.

He had said a year ago when Real Madrid made a record-breaking offer that he did not want to be remembered as the man who sold Kaka.

With £108m on the table Galliani is now apparently willing to accept that fate in the Rossoneri history books.

“Nothing has happened to push him towards Manchester. We are in a particularly difficult time with financial problems all over the world and those spread to football.

“What has changed from a year ago? Quite simply, the world is worth half of what it was. Things have changed.”

At the final whistle, all the Milan players took turns to hug Kaka in what felt increasingly like a farewell.

The banners at San Siro ranged from ‘Ricky, grow old with us’ and ‘This is your home’ to insults against the club.

Newspapers have suggested a shopping list with the £108m, including Emmanuel Adebayor, Gael Clichy and Michael Essien, but Galliani warned the money would not be splashed out.

“It is impossible to replace Kaka and there is no point getting a second-rate player. If he leaves then we would go on without him, but Kaka has not left yet.”

“There is no point making hypotheses over what Milan would do with the money, now we have to consider what to do.

“There are debts and they have to be paid. I think a virtuous club should cover its expenses with its own income.

“Unfortunately football is built in a certain way so now you cannot carry on without the cheques from a patron, as other clubs keep on raising the financial bar.”

Milan’s money comes from patron Silvio Berlusconi, but as he has been elected Prime Minister of Italy, he cannot direct so many resources to the side.

Galliani seemed tired and down after the 1-0 victory and emerged to hundreds of fans chanting slogans against his administration.

“No, it will not be an easy night for me, nor will those to come.”

Me neither and Berlu is a c**t.
I really though that Milan after last season would invest more and make better moves but it has been pathetic considering what a flop it was to get 5.place.

It confirmed what I remember a chief writer on a danish football magazine wrote:
"Juventus have the will+chance but they lack the brain(Secco), Inter have the will+chance but lack the brain. Milan though has the brain+chance but lack the will."

That might not seem like a strange statement to you but to me it was something strange to say. For me it seemed clear that there would no reason for Milan not to want to win stuff. But it has turned out to be true and Milan never truly started getting younger players or make sure that the current players don't keep becoming to sure of their places(Pirlo,Seedorf,Kaka)
Milan does have bright heads they just for some reason don't want to use it. the possibly purchase of Agger proves that especially at the reported price. With Real I can always hope things go bad because then the president will be thrown out on his ass but Berlu has total control. He can't be bothered yet he won't sell either.

ciao ciao Ricky,

Well at least he isambitious! Going to a low-classed team to turn them into a top team...sended by god himself. He has so much class!!

Pirlo wrote:



ciao ciao Ricky,

mother fuckers at milan

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:

Newspapers have suggested a shopping list with the £108m, including Emmanuel Adebayor, Gael Clichy and Michael Essien, but Galliani warned the money would not be splashed out.


“There are debts and they have to be paid. I think a virtuous club should cover its expenses with its own income.[/b]

Yeah, like any fan with half a brain expected you to actually SPEND the money Fester At least for once in his life he's honest.


@Supermadrid: Your post sums up my exact sentiments to be honest.

Here's a guy(Berlusconi) who's really rich but he wants to run a club on peanuts. The bad thing is the fact that he owns the club and will never sell it, cause it gives him this sort of prestige his ego demands. His strategy over the past few years:

-)spend the minimum amount possible on transfers and try and reinforce with the cheapest options available. Every now and then buy a decent player to sell the season tickets and keep the fans from going berserk.

-)have Galliani spread the propaganda 24/7: we didn't qualify for the Champs League cause we focused on the World Club Cup, the taxes in Italy are so high and that's why we can't sign big players, Milan is a few mil in the red etc. Other clubs have hundreds of millions in debt and yet spend money and reinforce their squads. Inter have a much larger debt than us, their owner is not a multi-billionaire like Berlusconi yet they invest money in their team, year in year out. Maybe they're exempt from paying taxes, eh Galliani?

-) Keep Carlo the puppet to the bench, cause any other coach would demand players and spending and well, you don't really wanna do that.


There's no point in people actually buying shirts, season tickets and giving money to the club in general as everything ends up straight into the pockets of those c**ts.

If the transfer goes through, I think there are a few more implications for football.

First of all, I see this as the birth of another force in Europe. If Kaka goes to City, they will be able to attract far better players than they could the day before the Kaka saga. Where before the Benzemas of the world saw Man City as a rich but mediocre club, is now a team that boast Kaka and Robinho and with a few more players could challenge for the Prem and CL. You really have to wonder if Villa or Silva would reject them now that they are on the rise.

Another thing that this shows is the clear emergence of the EPL as the strongest league. I still love the style of La Liga and I respect Serie A but more and more stars are being drained from both leagues into the EPL and I'd expect more to continue with Man City leading the way. Foreign money is making mediocre English clubs into big spenders and they are having less and less trouble attracting the stars that used to reject them. In the EPL massive transfer funds are the only way to compete now. If Arsenal can't find some more money somewhere, even Arsene's best work won't keep them in the top 4 for many more seasons.

I think this will also exacerbate another problem: the poaching of talented youngsters that has been going on. This is becoming a bigger and bigger problem and with the Man Citys coming along, it will only get worse. If City can blow that much on Kaka and others, what will prevent them from spending peanuts poaching the best young talent from around Europe. And furthermore, teams like Arsenal, Man Utd, Liverpool can't spend with City so they try to close the gap by poaching prospects from other countries to keep up.

To combat this, some sort of regulations must be put in place. Maybe in Spain they could allow professional contracts at 18, or maybe they could ban transfers from players under the age of 18 . I don't know what is the right answer but I think it's clear that something has to be done. If not, I fear that what has happened to France, Germany, Holland, Brazil, Argentina, and Portugal will happen to Spain and Italy as well (especially Spain).

Clearly, there isn't much in the way of another oil billionaire to take over another EPL club and do the same thing. EPL clubs are clearly more attractive to foreign investors. They already are run under the corporate model where clubs in Spain and Italy are much less professional and seem to use more under the table management styles. Maybe if this were to change, more investment would come to Spain (or Italy) but it's hard to know and the way things are run are unlikely to change.

One thing is certain from all of this. If the people running La Liga and Calcio want to keep their prestige and quality up with that of the EPL, they need to change the way they're doing things to make it less easy for big money spenders to raid their leagues of talent.

I am not sure about that rant, in the 80's and the 90's the top English player would go to Serie A or La Liga, specially Serie A, because these clubs would be more interesting prospects then playing in the EPL, these clubs were spending like hell.
Its only a reverse of roles, this time EPL have the money to spend, so players will be attracted to the EPL.
Dont get me started on poaching, La Liga clubs have been poaching youngsters for years now, specially from SA, why the crying when others are doing, what you are used to do.
Liverpool, Man Utd, Arsenal dont have to match these guys, there are always other players in the market who are as good or better even, these clubs are giants of European football and nothing will really change, except for a few years of success for City.

I dont see, how this is different from RM paying 45 m for Zidane, they did get Zidane from the most successful domestic side in Italy Juve.
The only difference is the stature of RM and City, so I say, that is the reason why they are paying 100 m, if it was Man Utd or Liverpool 60 m probably would get Kaka.

Well Real Madrid are reported to have made a bid...

DS
First of all there used to be a rule of how many foreigners you could have in your team.The difference was that back then the 3 foreigners that were allowed had to be of a high class for different reasons. One being that fans won't have foreigners who aren't at least special in some way.
If you look at Real Madrid during the 80's it was made up of own produced stars. Barca had several catalans and even some spaniards but the 3 allowed were of high class like Koeman,Romario,Laudrup .

I don't know enough about the 90's since I didn't follow football untill around 00 but when La Liga was strongest (99-04 the spending was done by Barca,Real and Betis with Denilson. Atletico was were relegated and only returned in 02 and didn't spend alot in the start allthough after the 06 they started to use money. After that there is big gap to the other clubs who still were quite good.

And what players have spanish clubs poached from South America. Do you mean buy or poached?

Same you got them young and didnt pay what they will actual worth, Lionel Messi was said to be retiring from football because of his injury, signed for Barca who had the resources to treat him.
You just out resourced SA clubs, the English clubs are doing the same, they gave better wages.

The foreigners will is not really a hinder, the players you get would not even be qualified for work permit in England, 2ndly these arent as expensive as their European counter part so you either move them or loan them to make space for another SA talent.

DS wrote:Same you got them young and didnt pay what they will actual worth, Lionel Messi was said to be retiring from football because of his injury, signed for Barca who had the resources to treat him.
You just out resourced SA clubs, the English clubs are doing the same, they gave better wages.

The foreigners will is not really a hinder, the players you get would not even be qualified for work permit in England, 2ndly these arent as expensive as their European counter part so you either move them or loan them to make space for another SA talent.

bwahhh... We actually train the players and don't buy the finish/semi finished product at 17/18. There is a HUGE difference.

How many academy players have made the starting XI in Manutd lately??

Many of the EPL clubs are just a collection of mercenaries now. Who cares whether ManUtd has a stadium in Manchester or Milano. The squad would be the same.

DS wrote:Same you got them young and didnt pay what they will actual worth, Lionel Messi was said to be retiring from football because of his injury, signed for Barca who had the resources to treat him.
You just out resourced SA clubs, the English clubs are doing the same, they gave better wages.

The foreigners will is not really a hinder, the players you get would not even be qualified for work permit in England, 2ndly these arent as expensive as their European counter part so you either move them or loan them to make space for another SA talent.

No it wasn't the case of Boca not being able to afford it but they simply didn't want to. It was a case of Boca's scouts simply not rating Messi.
The whole bone problem with Messi makes him something of a rare case so i wouldn't exactly use him as an example. Dos Santos is one that fits the bill more i would say.

Real didn't have many foreigners in their youth because it had to be Pavones but recently the last 2 years or so it has started to follow the trend of other european clubs by using more foreigners in the youth but i suspect this will stop soon if Eugenio Martínez Bravo wins the election.
Don't where this south american stuff comes from because they can't pro contracts untill they are 18.

Anyway I don't think this is the end like King Papita because Real/Barca will always be big and it will only improve the youths chance and since they are quite good in Spain at that it won't be a big problem. Would prob mean that Real might buy more spaniards which i won't either way so fine with me.