Is selling Keane a mistake?

Glenijel Pranjic wrote:

DS wrote:Even with the extra games and injuries we have suffered, also being away mid season and had to catch up.

playing 50% of your games with 12 men is a great antidote to an injury crisis. Plus your squad cost about £70m more than ours, it should be able to cope.

The title is United's this season, if they don't win it it will because they threw it away. But Rafa getting his contract sorted out, and winning the Keane affair will only take the club forward.

DS wrote:

Glenijel Pranjic wrote:

DS wrote:Even with the extra games and injuries we have suffered, also being away mid season and had to catch up.

playing 50% of your games with 12 men is a great antidote to an injury crisis. Plus your squad cost about £70m more than ours, it should be able to cope.

The title is United's this season, if they don't win it it will because they threw it away. But Rafa getting his contract sorted out, and winning the Keane affair will only take the club forward.

You are still using this card.

L-r d wrote:

DS wrote:

Glenijel Pranjic wrote:

DS wrote:Even with the extra games and injuries we have suffered, also being away mid season and had to catch up.

playing 50% of your games with 12 men is a great antidote to an injury crisis. Plus your squad cost about £70m more than ours, it should be able to cope.

The title is United's this season, if they don't win it it will because they threw it away. But Rafa getting his contract sorted out, and winning the Keane affair will only take the club forward.

You are still using this card.

Glenn proved with his double sided view of Keane that he doesn't have a clue what he's saying. He just says anything for the sake of it. A poor mans saints.

L-r d wrote:

DS wrote:

Glenijel Pranjic wrote:

DS wrote:Even with the extra games and injuries we have suffered, also being away mid season and had to catch up.

playing 50% of your games with 12 men is a great antidote to an injury crisis. Plus your squad cost about £70m more than ours, it should be able to cope.

The title is United's this season, if they don't win it it will because they threw it away. But Rafa getting his contract sorted out, and winning the Keane affair will only take the club forward.

You are still using this card.

Glenn proved with his double sided view of Keane that he doesn't have a clue what he's saying. He just says anything for the sake of it. A poor mans saints.

Batman wrote:

Being serious now.

Would you not agree that this season is/was(depending on your view) Liverpools best chance to win the league.

Arsenal - lost loads of good players in the summer, not really signed anyone, injury problems. they will be lucky to finish in the top 4.

Chelsea - sold Robben, missed out on Robinho, problems with Drogba, injury to Essien, defence and most of the team is playing shit.

Man Utd - the Ronaldo transfer saga in the summer, Tevez's contract is still not sorted, Hargreaves out for the season, going off to play in the club world cup, injury problems to Ronaldo, Rooney, Rio, Scholes, etc...

Glenijel Pranjic wrote:

Batman wrote:

Being serious now.

Would you not agree that this season is/was(depending on your view) Liverpools best chance to win the league.

Arsenal - lost loads of good players in the summer, not really signed anyone, injury problems. they will be lucky to finish in the top 4.

Chelsea - sold Robben, missed out on Robinho, problems with Drogba, injury to Essien, defence and most of the team is playing shit.

Man Utd - the Ronaldo transfer saga in the summer, Tevez's contract is still not sorted, Hargreaves out for the season, going off to play in the club world cup, injury problems to Ronaldo, Rooney, Rio, Scholes, etc...

Being serious now Batman, do you think Manchester United are lucky to be top having benefited from several dubious refereeing decisions?

Chelsea sold Robben in 2007 btw.

Batman wrote:

Glenijel Pranjic wrote:

Batman wrote:

Being serious now.

Would you not agree that this season is/was(depending on your view) Liverpools best chance to win the league.

Arsenal - lost loads of good players in the summer, not really signed anyone, injury problems. they will be lucky to finish in the top 4.

Chelsea - sold Robben, missed out on Robinho, problems with Drogba, injury to Essien, defence and most of the team is playing shit.

Man Utd - the Ronaldo transfer saga in the summer, Tevez's contract is still not sorted, Hargreaves out for the season, going off to play in the club world cup, injury problems to Ronaldo, Rooney, Rio, Scholes, etc...

Being serious now Batman, do you think Manchester United are lucky to be top having benefited from several dubious refereeing decisions?

Chelsea sold Robben in 2007 btw.

Man Utd are top because of the form of our defence.

At the start of the season our defending wasn't good and we lost to Liverpool, dropped 2 points to Chelsea and lost to Arsenal.

Batman wrote:what were they?

Pierre Littbarski wrote:


Again!



* ronaldo/J Lloyd-Samuel incident at OT when the game was 0-0 and full time approaching - one of the worst pens ever awarded in the Prem ?

Rob Styles !!!



* Wes Brown's goal at Blackburn followed a quite blatant body check by Vidic on Blackburn keeper Jason Brown. United were 1-0 down at the time.


* Vidic clear red card at Villa in 0-0 draw - you have to allow for the rest of the game 10 v11 but also the following games where he would be missing through suspension.


* Vidic clear red card at Arsenal on Nasri. Arsenal won but United ran them pretty close in the last couple of mins and had a chance to get something out of the game which they might not have had if Vidic had been off.


* ronaldo clear red card at White Hart Lane on Dawson with the game at 0-0. this was during the "Redknapp revival" and who knows how the game would have finished had Spurs had some time 11 v 10.


* ronaldo red card not given at Stoke. A stoke player then gets red carded for foul on ronaldo and Tevez gets a late winner 11 v 10.

* Rooney not red carded v Chelsea for appauling dissent.

* Rooney not punished for stamp v Aalborg - not EPL, I didn't know it was happening in CL too


* Did I imagine this last one? - 4th official signals 3 mins injury time in Chelsea v United - Rio prof foul on Drogba just outside the box before the end of the minimum stoppage time. Ref blows for full time depriving Chelsea of chance to win game and Rio suspension.

Someone confirm please - that's how I remember it.

* Red card for WBA's Robinson, later rescinded with United only 1-0 up, with a knackered Rio and WBA looking lively






What have you got for Liverpool ?

A dodgy 1st goal at home to Hull and the 1st of Valencia's two Anfield yellows was dubious.


Hardly comparable.

By my reckoning Liverpool are owed 7 more huge refereeing favours than United between now and the end of the EPL season.

I'm sure none of the United fans on here would complain if that was the case

Batman wrote:I guess Rafa agreed with me and my fellow redbloods that signing Keane for £20m was a mistake.



But has Rafa made a bigger mistake in selling Keane and not replacing him?

VS

2008/09:

Keane
Apps - 23 (5)
Goals - 7
Assists - 5

Kuyt
Apps - 30 (2)
Goals - 7
Assists - 5

Most people would agree that Keane had yet to show his best form for Liverpool, probably because he never got any Rafa love.

Liverpool Forwards: Torres, Keane, Kuyt, Babel, Ngog.

Sunday, 24 May 2009
Barclays Premier League
Liverpool v Tottenham, 16:00

The last game of the season.

Spoiler:

COTR wrote:I think selling crouch was a mistake

Glenijel Pranjic wrote:

Batman wrote:what were they?

Pierre Littbarski wrote:


Again!



* ronaldo/J Lloyd-Samuel incident at OT when the game was 0-0 and full time approaching - one of the worst pens ever awarded in the Prem ?

Rob Styles !!!



* Wes Brown's goal at Blackburn followed a quite blatant body check by Vidic on Blackburn keeper Jason Brown. United were 1-0 down at the time.


* Vidic clear red card at Villa in 0-0 draw - you have to allow for the rest of the game 10 v11 but also the following games where he would be missing through suspension.


* Vidic clear red card at Arsenal on Nasri. Arsenal won but United ran them pretty close in the last couple of mins and had a chance to get something out of the game which they might not have had if Vidic had been off.


* ronaldo clear red card at White Hart Lane on Dawson with the game at 0-0. this was during the "Redknapp revival" and who knows how the game would have finished had Spurs had some time 11 v 10.


* ronaldo red card not given at Stoke. A stoke player then gets red carded for foul on ronaldo and Tevez gets a late winner 11 v 10.

* Rooney not red carded v Chelsea for appauling dissent.

* Rooney not punished for stamp v Aalborg - not EPL, I didn't know it was happening in CL too


* Did I imagine this last one? - 4th official signals 3 mins injury time in Chelsea v United - Rio prof foul on Drogba just outside the box before the end of the minimum stoppage time. Ref blows for full time depriving Chelsea of chance to win game and Rio suspension.

Someone confirm please - that's how I remember it.

* Red card for WBA's Robinson, later rescinded with United only 1-0 up, with a knackered Rio and WBA looking lively






What have you got for Liverpool ?

A dodgy 1st goal at home to Hull and the 1st of Valencia's two Anfield yellows was dubious.


Hardly comparable.

By my reckoning Liverpool are owed 7 more huge refereeing favours than United between now and the end of the EPL season.

I'm sure none of the United fans on here would complain if that was the case

COTR wrote:I think selling crouch was a mistake

I'm happy I don't have to hear Andy Gray blabbering on again about moving our best attacking player into a deeper position just to accomodate a flop

Batman wrote:[

He is entitled to his opinion. But i disagree with it.

Glenijel Pranjic wrote:

Batman wrote:[

He is entitled to his opinion. But i disagree with it.

you think that United would still be top had these decisions not gone their way?

Spoiler:

Glenijel Pranjic wrote:

DS wrote:Even with the extra games and injuries we have suffered, also being away mid season and had to catch up.

playing 50% of your games with 12 men is a great antidote to an injury crisis. Plus your squad cost about £70m more than ours, it should be able to cope.

The title is United's this season, if they don't win it it will because they threw it away. But Rafa getting his contract sorted out, and winning the Keane affair will only take the club forward.

L-r d wrote:

DS wrote:

Glenijel Pranjic wrote:

DS wrote:Even with the extra games and injuries we have suffered, also being away mid season and had to catch up.

playing 50% of your games with 12 men is a great antidote to an injury crisis. Plus your squad cost about £70m more than ours, it should be able to cope.

The title is United's this season, if they don't win it it will because they threw it away. But Rafa getting his contract sorted out, and winning the Keane affair will only take the club forward.

You are still using this card.

Glenn proved with his double sided view of Keane that he doesn't have a clue what he's saying. He just says anything for the sake of it. A poor mans saints.

Dick Grayson wrote:

Glenijel Pranjic wrote:

DS wrote:Even with the extra games and injuries we have suffered, also being away mid season and had to catch up.

playing 50% of your games with 12 men is a great antidote to an injury crisis. Plus your squad cost about £70m more than ours, it should be able to cope.

The title is United's this season, if they don't win it it will because they threw it away. But Rafa getting his contract sorted out, and winning the Keane affair will only take the club forward.

This is now sounding tired and pathetic, it stopped being funny about a week ago! Get over it and get real...YOUR problems have nothing to do with us!

Glenijel Pranjic wrote:I feel like you're avoiding answering my question because the honest answer is that United would not be top.

Am I right?

COTR wrote:

Dick Grayson wrote:

Glenijel Pranjic wrote:

DS wrote:Even with the extra games and injuries we have suffered, also being away mid season and had to catch up.

playing 50% of your games with 12 men is a great antidote to an injury crisis. Plus your squad cost about £70m more than ours, it should be able to cope.

The title is United's this season, if they don't win it it will because they threw it away. But Rafa getting his contract sorted out, and winning the Keane affair will only take the club forward.

This is now sounding tired and pathetic, it stopped being funny about a week ago! Get over it and get real...YOUR problems have nothing to do with us!

You are a top class lawyer dick

Try to refute the facts

Batman wrote:

Glenijel Pranjic wrote:I feel like you're avoiding answering my question because the honest answer is that United would not be top.

Am I right?

You Want The Truth?












You Can't Handle The Truth!













United would not be top of the league if this didn't happen:


Wigan 1-1 Liverpool


Liverpool 1-1 Everton


Stoke 0-0 Liverpool









Man Utd are top of the league because of this man:

L-r d wrote:

Batman wrote:

Glenijel Pranjic wrote:I feel like you're avoiding answering my question because the honest answer is that United would not be top.

Am I right?

You Want The Truth?












You Can't Handle The Truth!













United would not be top of the league if this didn't happen:


Wigan 1-1 Liverpool


Liverpool 1-1 Everton


Stoke 0-0 Liverpool









Man Utd are top of the league because of this man: