The Great Arshavin Thread

Fuck off. wrote:Arshavin could use both his feet. I have seen him excel at LM, RM, second striker, and heck, even CM. RVP sucks in the left side - lack of balance, sloppy run, can't cut in with his right (letting the FB make overlapping runs), and overt reliance on his left foot to shoot. Besides, he could hit to the stands on a regular basis. But on form, he could be a damn good player.

Fuck off and go and watch more Arsenal games and you'll realise your talking out of your arse

The Professor wrote:Zenit are talking crap again. It's widely reported we got him for £10m plus another £2m success related add ons.

It isn't even confirmed that you've got him yet, so any paper talk on the question of the fee is pure speculation.


That you think you've got a player for half his value is hilarious, Agooner. Absolutely chuffin' hilarious. No way have Arsenal paid anything less than 15 million, just as they paid nearly 16 for Nasri.

If this goes through, it truly marks the end of Wenger's experiment and constitutes an admission of failure on his part. If it doesn't, your club look like complete dickwads.

Either way, I'm happy.

Fuck off. wrote:Arshavin could use both his feet. I have seen him excel at LM, RM, second striker, and heck, even CM. RVP sucks in the left side - lack of balance, sloppy run, can't cut in with his right (letting the FB make overlapping runs), and overt reliance on his left foot to shoot. Besides, he could hit to the stands on a regular basis. But on form, he could be a damn good player.

He pisses all over Real Madrid's attackers.

Calling his dribbling 'sloppy' is laughable.

Before he played at Arsenal he was a left winger so are you basically saying that before he joined Arsenal he 'sucked'?

Ray Parlour wrote:

Fuck off. wrote:Arshavin could use both his feet. I have seen him excel at LM, RM, second striker, and heck, even CM. RVP sucks in the left side - lack of balance, sloppy run, can't cut in with his right (letting the FB make overlapping runs), and overt reliance on his left foot to shoot. Besides, he could hit to the stands on a regular basis. But on form, he could be a damn good player.

Fuck off and go and watch more Arsenal games and you'll realise your talking out of your arse

They're just boring these days.

Tweedle wrote:Before he played at Arsenal he was a left winger so are you basically saying that before he joined Arsenal he 'sucked'?

I assume that is a rhetorical question and let it pass. Btw I'm not saying he sucked. I'm just saying Arshavin is a better player.

He probably is a better dribbler. But he can't cross a ball as well as RVP and he can't strike a ball or finish as well as RVP.

If you don't think RVP can dribble its probably worth watching his goal verses Blackburn in his first season for us, when he dribbled past about 3/4 players.

The Professor wrote:Zenit are talking crap again. It's widely reported we got him for £10m plus another £2m success related add ons.

I haven't seen that. If the fee is more than £10m Arsenal will have to declare it anyway so no point arguing, but everywhere I've looked the fee is reported at around £15m.

Fuck off. wrote:

Ray Parlour wrote:

Fuck off. wrote:Arshavin could use both his feet. I have seen him excel at LM, RM, second striker, and heck, even CM. RVP sucks in the left side - lack of balance, sloppy run, can't cut in with his right (letting the FB make overlapping runs), and overt reliance on his left foot to shoot. Besides, he could hit to the stands on a regular basis. But on form, he could be a damn good player.

Fuck off and go and watch more Arsenal games and you'll realise your talking out of your arse

They're just boring these days.

And Real Madrid are playing Galactico football?

Apparently Arshavin will wear no23 not 13!

No, we're playing like shite. We also have some decent players left in the team. Higuain and Robben aren't doing bad actually.

Tweedle,
I said he makes sloppy runs when he is on the left. I didn't say he has trouble dribbling past players. But he is tailor-made for pass and move, and 1-2s than using his pace to dribble past the defenders and set a goal (or score them). OTOH Arshavin could do both, and has a good ball retention (unlike Hleb, he could be more penetrating). He has a good first touch, and could hit the ball well. Arshavin is a more complete player in my books.

Tweedle wrote:

Fuck off. wrote:Arshavin could use both his feet. I have seen him excel at LM, RM, second striker, and heck, even CM. RVP sucks in the left side - lack of balance, sloppy run, can't cut in with his right (letting the FB make overlapping runs), and overt reliance on his left foot to shoot. Besides, he could hit to the stands on a regular basis. But on form, he could be a damn good player.

He pisses all over Real Madrid's attackers.

Calling his dribbling 'sloppy' is laughable.

Before he played at Arsenal he was a left winger so are you basically saying that before he joined Arsenal he 'sucked'?

Not over Robben or Higuain.

Yes he does.

Robben hasn't hit anywhere near the heights that he hit in his first season at Chelsea and that's about the level than RVP plays at (maybe slightly lower I'll admit).

Re Higuain we'll see...

@ Tweeds


Half a season doesn't make Rapist Van Persie into the second coming of our lord and saviour, just as one season doesn't turn Adebayor into a guaranteed 30 goal a season striker.

His form is excellent, admittedly, but how old is he and how long have we had to wait to see it even over a short period of half a season?

How long? Since he fully recovered from injury.

Last season he was a walking crock and the season before that, when he was fit he managed 11 goals in 17 games and was in similar form to what he is now.

I'm overplaying it i'll admiot but we're all a bit guilty of that aren't we

Robben has been awesome lately..to be fair.

I would rather have Van Persie over Robben but they don't play the same place. RVP is very talented and certainly don't understand Zizoued with his view especially now when he has finally had an extended period without injury. Just like Robben he has shown that when he isn't injuried he is a very good player. With regards to Arshavin he has looked quite good when I have seen him but I think most people simply haven't seen him enough in the russian league to comment.
All in all it is a very good move for Arsenal and like Kas said I will keep an eye out for Arsenal to see how it goes.

Zenit say the deal is done, and the deal is worth 16.9 according to F365.

Zenit St Petersburg claim
that Arsenal have finally signed Andrei Arshavin - but for much more
than the reported £12million fee.
The Russian playmaker's on-off move to the Emirates Stadium
dominated transfer deadline day with the deal not being confirmed by
the close of play on Monday.
Gunners boss Arsene Wenger told Sky Sports News on Monday that
the deal would go through and was being held up as it was yet to be
ratified by the Premier League.
The Premier League is expected to finalise the paperwork on
Tuesday to allow Arshavin to seal his switch and Zenit claim the move
has gone through.
"Zenit, Arsenal and Andrei Arshavin have concluded talks in London," the report on fc-zenit.ru reads.
"An FC Zenit source has informed Fontanka that the talks were
successful, and Andrei Arshavin is moving to Arsenal. The signed
documents have already been sent to the English Football Association
[Premier League].
"A source close to the discussions has told Fontanka that the terms of the deal are financially suitable to Zenit.
"The St Petersburg club will receive £16.5million - £15m for the
transfer of the player and £1.5m compensation for breaking a long-term
contract.
"In addition there is a further 500,000 Euros in bonuses which
Arshavin has not yet received which will not be paid and instead make
up part of the transfer sum.
"The overall sum of the transfer is around USD 24m [£16.9m]."
Arshavin revealed on his personal website details of the deal should be announced later today.
It is believed all the relevant complex documentation is in
place at the Premier League, but yet to be formally ratified because of
administration delays caused by the severe snow that crippled London's
transport networks yesterday.
Asked if he was now an Arsenal player, the Russia international
said: "I think so. The negotiations came to a close and there will be
details [on Tuesday].
"Now I can say only one thing - that if I play for Arsenal, it will be at number 23."

That's still not good enough for me. I'm still waiting for an official confirmation on arsenal.com

Tweedle wrote:How long? Since he fully recovered from injury.

Kinda my point, that a player who is frequently injured cannot be assessed in the same way.

Last season he was a walking crock and the season before that, when he was fit he managed 11 goals in 17 games and was in similar form to what he is now.

See Saha, Louis.

I'm overplaying it i'll admiot but we're all a bit guilty of that aren't we

I dunno, he's the best player in your team this season (by some distance given how worn out/crap Cesc has been and how lazy/casual Adebayor has been) so I can understand the hype, and he is clearly a very talented player. But problems with injuries combined with an arsehole of an attitude (while raping or otherwise) suggest that this sort of form will probably be the exception rather than the rule. Time will tell.

DS wrote:Zenit say the deal is done, and the deal is worth 16.9 according to F365.

Zenit, Arsenal and the player all say the deal is done, we are waiting for the Premier League to ratify.

He could still be a huge flop you never know. I rate him highly but changing leagues and style after so long could always be a disaster. If he even takes 2 months to adapt, that's long enough to mean no cl next season. Which is enough for a lot of players to want out in the summer, which is enough for Arsenal to dissapear into mid table for the next 20 years

L-r d wrote:He could still be a huge flop you never know. I rate him highly but changing leagues and style after so long could always be a disaster. If he even takes 2 months to adapt, that's long enough to mean no cl next season. Which is enough for a lot of players to want out in the summer, which is enough for Arsenal to dissapear into mid table for the next 20 years

Hlebagone wrote:

L-r d wrote:He could still be a huge flop you never know. I rate him highly but changing leagues and style after so long could always be a disaster. If he even takes 2 months to adapt, that's long enough to mean no cl next season. Which is enough for a lot of players to want out in the summer, which is enough for Arsenal to dissapear into mid table for the next 20 years

Now there is a doom story.

If we came 5th, I think Ade would certainly want to leave.

Aside from that, I think we might be able to hang onto our top names for one more season. If we didn't finish in the top four again then they'd be off.

Losing Cesc and RVP are the biggest risks aside from Ade. I don't think Cesc ever wants to join Real and currently they're the only big team seriously interested in him.

RVP really likes it at Arsenal as far as I can work out. I can't see either Real or Barca chasing him in the summer either.

when Juventus were relegated for a couple of seasons how many of their stars stayed?

How many of Arsenal's stars would stay if they finished 5th? I can only think of Almunia and possibly Jay Simpson.

Tweedle wrote:If we came 5th, I think Ade would certainly want to leave.

Aside from that, I think we might be able to hang onto our top names for one more season. If we didn't finish in the top four again then they'd be off.

Isn't this season the last one where 4th place gets you into the CL? I thought they were bringing in a CL place for the FA cup winners next season.

Glenijel Pranjic wrote:when Juventus were relegated for a couple of seasons how many of their stars stayed?

How many of Arsenal's stars would stay if they finished 5th? I can only think of Almunia and possibly Jay Simpson.

And Eboué possibly but only because no one else would take him.

Of course he could buy out his contract, which is probably what would happen if we finished 5th.

Glenijel Pranjic wrote:when Juventus were relegated for a couple of seasons how many of their stars stayed?

How many of Arsenal's stars would stay if they finished 5th? I can only think of Almunia and possibly Jay Simpson.

I think Wilshere, Traore and Merida would hang around for a bit, since they must be on about 15 grand a week...

President Darkie wrote:

Tweedle wrote:If we came 5th, I think Ade would certainly want to leave.

Aside from that, I think we might be able to hang onto our top names for one more season. If we didn't finish in the top four again then they'd be off.

Isn't this season the last one where 4th place gets you into the CL? I thought they were bringing in a CL place for the FA cup winners next season.

Really? I thought that was just rumoured?

Would the FA cup runner up get the CL spot in the winner had qualifed by the league?