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Goal of the quarter final?

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Post n°61

Re: Goal of the quarter final?

by BoBo Vieri 32 Thu Apr 16, 2009 9:30 pm

Stimulus Package wrote:

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:You tried to produce a similar example (Macheda's goal) and then you refuted it. You built up a strawman and then knocked it down.

Anyway, both those goals needed an element of luck. Adebayor's was more impressive because you need great technique and agility to pull off a move like that plus i also thought the pass from cesc and control from ade were both very good.

I produced an essentially identical example, of a goal which required a lot of skill to do but which most people doubt the player thought through before he did it. No strawman, because I didn't make out that Macheda's unintentional goal proved that Adebayor's was unintentional. I was using it illustratively.

If you're going to get into accusations of logical fallacies then at least learn what they are first. I've told you this before, so you don't have any excuses.

The thing is the Macheda is example isn't identical, yet you brought it up, and then knocked it down - strawman argument.

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Post n°62

Re: Goal of the quarter final?

by Aristoskank Thu Apr 16, 2009 9:41 pm

Only if by knocking it down I claimed to have knocked down your argument, which I didn't. You're getting confused between logic and rhetoric.

Technically, you could argue the two goals have nothing to do with one another, in which case it isn't a strawman, it's a red herring...

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Post n°63

Re: Goal of the quarter final?

by BoBo Vieri 32 Thu Apr 16, 2009 9:44 pm

Why did you mention it then?

the two goals do have something to do with eachother - they are both goals.

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Post n°64

Re: Goal of the quarter final?

by Aristoskank Thu Apr 16, 2009 9:54 pm

Do you even know what you're arguing for anymore?

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Post n°65

Re: Goal of the quarter final?

by BoBo Vieri 32 Thu Apr 16, 2009 9:56 pm

Stimulus Package wrote:Do you even know what you're arguing for anymore?

Yes

I take it you don't, and that's why you're not addressing the points i made.

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Re: Goal of the quarter final?

by fcb Thu Apr 16, 2009 9:58 pm

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:I take it.

Well that clears up a lot.

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Post n°67

Re: Goal of the quarter final?

by Aristoskank Thu Apr 16, 2009 9:58 pm

You're right Bobo, I'm beaten all ends up by the sheer force of your words and have no response...

lol!

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Post n°68

Re: Goal of the quarter final?

by Deluded F*ck™ Thu Apr 16, 2009 9:59 pm

kas wrote:

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:I take it.

Well that clears up a lot.

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Post n°69

Re: Goal of the quarter final?

by fcb Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:01 pm

Dragões azuis e brancos wrote:

kas wrote:

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:I take it.

Well that clears up a lot.

btw, sorry Bobo, but it just had to be done Razz

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Post n°70

Re: Goal of the quarter final?

by BoBo Vieri 32 Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:01 pm

Are you going to disappear from the board for a few weeks now, like the last time you got upset on here? Don't cry!

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Post n°71

Re: Goal of the quarter final?

by BoBo Vieri 32 Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:02 pm

kas wrote:

Dragões azuis e brancos wrote:

kas wrote:

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:I take it.

Well that clears up a lot.

btw, sorry Bobo, but it just had to be done

i should've seen it coming Razz

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Post n°72

Re: Goal of the quarter final?

by Guest Fri Apr 17, 2009 12:40 am

Diego
Ronaldo ( i doubt he would do it again)
Ade (see above)
Senna
Kieta (for the build up play)
Lampard

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Post n°73

Re: Goal of the quarter final?

by Romford Pele Fri Apr 17, 2009 1:16 pm

Stimulus Package wrote:

Dragões azuis e brancos wrote:
I thought you'd have realised that mine was in (half) jest... I'm suprised and dissapointed that you of all people didn't pick up such subtle hints.

It's the continent card, not the race card, BTW. Henry scores that goal and most footy forums go into meltdown

In truth, I was referring to Rape Parlour's responses and didn't think you were being entirely serious.

However, since you've brought it up - it was a beautiful goal, and to say it wasn't intentional I don't mean it was an unintentional fluke, just that it wasn't premeditated. He tried something on instinct and it came off beautifully. If that's the sort of goal you most admire then of course it's the best of the round.

As to the continent issue, you're right I suppose. Ronaldo did that cheeky backheel last year and it was an instinctive flick with none of the agility of Adebayor's strike yet it got wanked over something chronic. It's not that I think Adebayor's in any way a bad player, I just think he's not up there with Eto'o and Drogba as yet in the very top bracket of strikers. Still, he's >>> Henry.

Surely if it is has been done instinctly then it is on purpose?

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Post n°74

Re: Goal of the quarter final?

by Aristoskank Fri Apr 17, 2009 1:37 pm

Ray Parlour wrote:Surely if it is has been done instinctly then it is on purpose?

On purpose, yes. Intentionally, in a premeditated fashion, no.

The interview I saw, Adebayor said he was trying to trap the ball differently and that when it presented itself like that he just went for it. I don't think he thought through the move before he did it. You might say this actually makes it a better goal. I wouldn't, but you could say that in showing such a great ability to improvise without having to think it through he showed more natural talent than any of the other goals.

If someone had said that, instead of turning this into some Arsenal/African/Darkie issue then much of the nonsense of the last couple of pages wouldn't have had to take place. I'm in no way saying it was a fluke, because Adebayor's shown that sort of agility and reactions before.