FC Bayern 2011

Özil wrote:

Didn't you want to reserve the no. 10 for Kroos?

Anyway, I don't know what to think of this transfer. I mean Robben is a great player, but I have some doubts that he is what Bayern need.

Apart from that, you did need a credit to buy him? Is your Festgeldkonto empty then?

And isn't he quite injury-prone btw.?

Kroos won't go back to Bayern.

I just hope that he'll finally have his breakthrough season in Leverkusen. If he does, I'd want us to sign him even, and play a 4-2-3-1 with Marin, Kroos and Özil in the attacking midfield.

FAZ: "Wie viel Sauce Hollandaise verträgt die Weißwurst?"

http://www.faz.net/s/RubBC20E7BC6C204B29BADA5A79368B1E93/Doc~E16473EC4C42B40F4BF570B2465A40581~ATpl~Ecommon~Scontent.html

lol we cant wait 5 years for kroos, maybe hes good enough then, i think özil will be our future player

new rumour

rafinha is joining us, according to kicker.de

if its true i think you can get a ride of this credit rumour

------butt

rafinha-buyten-demichlis-lahm

-----bommel--tymo
---------schweini

robben---------ribery
-------gomez


------rensing

görlitz-breno-badstuber-pranjic

-----ottl----altintop
-------sosa/baumjohann

müller-------olic
-------klose/toni

YES!! Much better...

http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/startseite/513824/artikel_Transferhammer_Der-FC-Bayern-holt-auch-noch-Rafinha.html

srna would be the better choice


good deal for bayern would be

rensing + lell/görlitz + 10 millions (or sosa) they need some creativity, its only the question is sosa creativ

we get neuer and rafinha

I think Bayern really want Neuer, which is why they're not getting Enke now. They just want to wait a year or two and then go for the real, long-term solution.

rafinha deal is not true

from markus hörwick

Srna would have been better indeed, but Rafinha is quality and probably the best RB you could realistically sign at this point of time.

He was booed by the Schalke fans today, I think he will definitely leave, would be surprised if he doesn't.

Left footed Robben playing on the right wing, while right footed Ribery plays on the left actually makes a lot of sense, even if that sounds paradox at first. If properly supported by attacking fullbacks (e.g. Lahm and Rafinha, or Pranjic & Lahm), them cutting in creates space for the fullbacks, creates goal scoring opportunities for themselves and their team mates, and makes it easier for them to change positions (Ribery moving to the right and Robben to the left and vice versa). Those positional changes will be more 'fluid' and more difficult to defend against, and your attacking game will be less predictable in general.

But to perfect such 'fluid' wing play, you'll need time for the team to gel. Ribery and Robben seem to have a good understanding already though.

That was a remarkable debut for an overhyped Dutchy.

No Rafinha. That's the disadvantage of winning the game yesterday.

Just imagine we had squeaked by in the first three matches...

I think it's a mistake that Hoeneß doesn't want to sign any more players. As I wrote earlier, you should have invested in the defence.

De Guzman wrote:That was a remarkable debut for an overhyped Dutchy.

Robben is not overhyped, he is an excellent player. He is just a class A c**t and very injury prone.

Seems like you did not have to take a loan to finance the Robben deal, as BILD claimed earlier. Rummenigge in his incomparable arrogance:

Rummenigge: Er hat ein starkes Spiel gemacht. In Robben und Ribery haben wir zwei Superspieler. Wenn die am Laufen sind, haben wir eine Flügelzange, die höchste Qualität hat. Geld schießt eben doch Tore. Zumal, wenn es vom Festgeldkonto kommt und nicht über Kredit.

http://www.spox.com/de/sport/fussball/bundesliga/0908/News/karl-heinz-rummenigge-es-wird-schwer-uns-zu-schlagen-fc-bayern-muenchen.html


'Festgeldkonto' hasn't totally vaporised yet it seems. Clearly a dig at the Real Madrids of this world.

Translation please? What is Festgeldkonto?

blutgraetsche wrote:I think it's a mistake that Hoeneß doesn't want to sign any more players. As I wrote earlier, you should have invested in the defence.

had they done that, they'd be clear favorites for CL.

Even with Robben-Ribery ( ), you can't afford to carry mediocre defenders.

Before everyone gets carried away with "Robbery", have Robben's injury problems been permanently fixed? Supposedly there was some Chinese doctor who made him re-learn how to walk and run, and changed his entire diet and training lifestyle.

If he's just going to get injured every other month, then it won't quite work out that well will it...

kas wrote:Translation please? What is Festgeldkonto?

Fixed deposit account. Before Bayern signed Ribery and Toni a few years ago, they had more than €150m in cash on the bank. That should have decreased by now, but apparently, there is still more than enough cash left to pay for Robben without needing to take a loan.

According to Bayern fans who analysed their (publically accessible) balance sheet and other financial info, there should still be around €100m left. This doesn't mean that Bayern don't take loans at all, of course. Their stadium is financed by a long term loan, for example.

blutgraetsche wrote:

De Guzman wrote:That was a remarkable debut for an overhyped Dutchy.

Robben is not overhyped, he is an excellent player. He is just a class A c**t and very injury prone.

Agree with the addition that he's very selfish. tends to forget players around him, because he's looking too much at his own feet / going for own glory. Has improved a bit in that department, but still some work needs to be done.

By the way 'overhyped' was intended for Otto.

Unflinching Frenchman wrote:
had they done that, they'd be clear favorites for CL.

Even with Robben-Ribery ( ), you can't afford to carry mediocre defenders.

Yeah, true. Thing is, compared to the CL heavyweights, they simply lack a class goal keeper and a quality, experienced central defence. Pranjic offers a lot going forward, but as a fullback, he is not totally reliable defensively. And Pranjic on the left means that Lahm will have to play on the right - he is more effective on the left.

kas wrote:Before everyone gets carried away with "Robbery", have Robben's injury problems been permanently fixed? Supposedly there was some Chinese doctor who made him re-learn how to walk and run, and changed his entire diet and training lifestyle.

If he's just going to get injured every other month, then it won't quite work out that well will it...

It's not just Robben who is injury prone, Ribery tends to miss quite a few matches due to injuries every season, too. I don't know if Robben has improved in this respect, but at least he can / will have top notch medical treatment from Dr. Müller-Wohlfahrt, Bayern's renown former chief medical staff who is in charge of the German national team, too.

But even without Robben and Ribery, a 4-3-3 seems to be the best system considering the players Bayern have at their proposal. But they can (and should) be flexible in this respect, can switch systems and play a 4-4-2 or 4-5-1 if necessary. Even with its faults (defence), their squad allows them to be flexible.

blutgraetsche wrote:Left footed Robben playing on the right wing, while right footed Ribery plays on the left actually makes a lot of sense, even if that sounds paradox at first. If properly supported by attacking fullbacks (e.g. Lahm and Rafinha, or Pranjic & Lahm), them cutting in creates space for the fullbacks, creates goal scoring opportunities for themselves and their team mates, and makes it easier for them to change positions (Ribery moving to the right and Robben to the left and vice versa). Those positional changes will be more 'fluid' and more difficult to defend against, and your attacking game will be less predictable in general.

But to perfect such 'fluid' wing play, you'll need time for the team to gel. Ribery and Robben seem to have a good understanding already though.

That's pretty much the way to go in modern football. Have fullbacks to offer width, and use your wingers to cut-in and create chances or make runs into the box to score and receive passes.

150 million

Where did it come from...just past success?

So what's stopping them from buying more defenders and Neuer right away rather than wait?

Good business practice - not spending more than you earn, but still be pretty successful, so they were loaded with cash over the years. That was Bayern's business philosophy for decades, but this changed with the signings of Ribery and Toni. Prior to that, Bayern were often criticised for being too 'stingy', especially for a club that has the ambition to win the CL.

Schalke won't sell Neuer (they would have bought him if possible I think). But typical for Bayern, it's either Neuer or nobody else.
Hoeneß / the club and Van Gaal seem to believe that investments in the defence are not necessary.

Van Gaal refuses to take part in football discussion shows (former players and other 'experts' discussing matchday events) and will only give post match interviews to reporters, as Bayern officially confirms.

http://www.bild.de/BILD/sport/fussball/bundesliga/vereine/bayern/2009/09/01/van-gaal/boykottiert-kollegen-und-experten-tv-extrawurst.html

blutgraetsche wrote:Van Gaal refuses to take part in football discussion shows (former players and other 'experts' discussing matchday events) and will only give post match interviews to reporters, as Bayern officially confirms.

http://www.bild.de/BILD/sport/fussball/bundesliga/vereine/bayern/2009/09/01/van-gaal/boykottiert-kollegen-und-experten-tv-extrawurst.html

I see the honeymooon is well and truly over

Just read an article on L'equipe about O. Kahn saying that Rensing better leave Bayern because he has been playing poorly. Not a very nice advice from the old goalkeeper. That won't help Rensing get better for sure. Kahn is really a twat.

Alive and Kicking wrote:Just read an article on L'equipe about O. Kahn saying that Rensing better leave Bayern because he has been playing poorly. Not a very nice advice from the old goalkeeper. That won't help Rensing get better for sure. Kahn is really a twat.

Doesn't matter at this moment : Rensing is finished anyway.

He is right that Rensing should leave, but the timing is ridiculous. For years, Kahn said repeatedly that Bayern should put their trust in Rensing, that he needs time and support to become a good keeper and worthy successor to him. But now, knowing that the transfer season is over, he tells him to leave?

Rensing is not good enough for Bayern. Their management made a mistake to believe otherwise, as he did himself. But the way he was treated by both Klinsmann and Van Gaal was a disgrace. Both made him #1 for Bayern, just to put him on the bench a few matches later.

He should have left Bayern years ago, when he was #2 behind Kahn with no real chance to get any match practice. Those years he wasted, he had the promise of the club to become Kahn's long term successor, he can never get back. While other young keepers like Neuer and Adler developed well, having the trust and support of their clubs, Rensing stagnated. And after numerous mistakes, he lost confidence, which is crucial for a goal keeper.

Back in the days, he was the first choice goal keeper of the German youth teams, ahead of Adler even. A real waste that is very typical for Bayern youngsters.