Wenger admits to 'selective vision'
Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger has confirmed what many fans have always suspected - his view of controversial incidents is not always obstructed.
Wenger is notorious for claiming not to have seen certain incidents, often when one of his players is accused of committing a foul.
"At times I saw it, and I said I didn't to protect the player," said the 59-year-old Frenchman.
"It's because I could not find any rational explanation to defend him."
Wenger's reaction to post-match questioning over incidents when his players may have been in the wrong usually brings a wry smile to the face of fans and his admission will come as little surprise.
"This is a job where you have to have an optimistic view of human nature or you become paranoid," he added.
"You always have to think that a guy wants to do well.
"A coach is there to help. He must think that if he helps in the correct way the players will respond. You cannot be suspicious."
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Wengerwatch 2009/10
Aristoskank- Number of posts : 9733
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Wengerwatch 2009/10
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/8201233.stm
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Re: Wengerwatch 2009/10
What a bastard.
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On the contrary, good on him for admitting what we always knew was the case.
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see the thing i've never understood is why a simple no comment isn't acceptable
granted the interviewer would press you for information and say something along the lines of "ah but you must admit it was a very dangerous tackle - surely you can't deny the player had to be sent off" but you could always reply with a politician's answer and say something like "we'll analyse the match and myself and the player will view the sending off and review that part of the match internally"
or yno, just SOMETHING - "i didn't see it" was getting pretty old anyway.
granted the interviewer would press you for information and say something along the lines of "ah but you must admit it was a very dangerous tackle - surely you can't deny the player had to be sent off" but you could always reply with a politician's answer and say something like "we'll analyse the match and myself and the player will view the sending off and review that part of the match internally"
or yno, just SOMETHING - "i didn't see it" was getting pretty old anyway.
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Stimulus Package wrote:On the contrary, good on him for admitting what we always knew was the case.
I agree. But this surely is contrary to the fundamental basis of Wengerwatch. This thread will decline sharply if quotes are taken that show Wenger in a positive light. I will not stand for it.
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Hlebagone wrote:Stimulus Package wrote:On the contrary, good on him for admitting what we always knew was the case.
I agree. But this surely is contrary to the fundamental basis of Wengerwatch. This thread will decline sharply if quotes are taken that show Wenger in a positive light. I will not stand for it.
On the contrary, the basis of Wengerwatch is to document the apparent multiple personalities of Arsene Wenger, his quirks and foibles. Not everything on the previous Wengerwatch thread was critical.
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It's back
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Arsène Wenger's pint-sized Arsenal come in well under the radar
The Arsenal manager's apparent prejudice is just another kick in the teeth for the marginalised tall men of sport
The ability to make people feel bigger is generally seen as a positive attribute in a football manager. "Bill Shankly made you feel 10 feet tall" former players will say admiringly. If Arsène Wenger wants to feel 10 feet tall all he has to do is stand next to his forward line. Wenger seems determined to have the smallest team since the Wembley Wizards. Over the past few years he has been carrying out a process of miniaturisation in north London. Vieira, Henry and Adebayor have gone and in have come Eduardo, Rosicky and Arshavin. The more people tell the Arsenal manager he needs to buy someone muscular and imposing, the more determined he seems to field 11 pixies.
Perhaps there is a tactical reason for this. Possibly Wenger is football's answer to Cus D'Amato. Just as the great US boxing trainer spotted that huge modern heavyweights were vulnerable to a short guy getting in underneath their guard and unleashed Mike Tyson on the world, so the Frenchman is looking to undermine the likes of John Terry and Rio Ferdinand by fielding a set of strikers who can look right up the legs of their shorts. Or maybe Wenger is just trying to save money for his cash-strapped club – because obviously if you can buy all the squad's boots in the children's department you are going to save quite a bit in VAT.
I can't help wondering, though, if the Alsatian isn't simply a closet heightist. Wenger is, admittedly, pretty tall himself, but he may be one of those tall people who is in denial, perpetually responding to remarks that he is lofty by replying "No I'm not. I've just got big bones". As someone who has been able to whisper in a giraffe's ear without a springboard since he was 15, I have some sympathy. It is not always easy to face up to being tall – most mirrors are hung at such ludicrously low levels.
In fairness, Wenger would only be reflecting his sport's endemic heightist attitudes. "Such a good touch for a big man", the football commentators say, "So quick for a big man". So quick for a big man, indeed. Do these people ever watch athletics? I mean, Usain Bolt isn't exactly Ronnie Corbett, is he?
The perils of ordinary life are bad enough for those of us who suffer under the certain knowledge that our nasal hair will never sprout unnoticed. We have to cram ourselves under desks and bend double to reach work-surfaces. When it comes to sport, however, things are far, far worse. The tall person is the constant victim of athletic sizual stereotyping, forced to deny his or her true nature and always play at centre-half. While the short or the medium are allowed to jink and shimmy, those who find ourselves in the unfortunate position of always seeing eye-to-eye with Martin Keown must content themselves with being solid, commanding or towering. They will never know the freedom that results from being mercurial.
There are no greater exponents of this casual sizeism than the manufacturers of sports clothing and equipment. The people who make cricket whites, for example, labour under the illusion that the basic human shape is cubic. According to their philosophy If you have a 38in inside leg measurement you must also have a 38in waist. This is by no means true. As a consequence I, and no doubt hundreds of others like me, including Tim Tremlett in all probability, spent my teenage years torn between trousers that reached the top of my boots but had to be held up with braces and those that, while they didn't ever threaten to fall down around my ankles, didn't reach them either. Eventually I settled on the latter as marginally less embarrassing.
The shirt was another matter. In order to get one that was long enough to tuck into trousers I had to opt for a collar size marginally higher than Ian Bell's batting average. When I put on the shirt and sat on the floor I was often mistaken for a half-erected tent.
The shirt billowed, the trousers flapped at half-mast. As a result I invariably took the field looking as if I was making a bold but ill-advised bid to popularise culottes and a cape as suitable garments for our summer game. When play commenced things deteriorated still further, especially if it was windy. In even the slightest breeze my shirt became a sail. Bowling was almost impossible. With the wind in my favour I sped to the wicket at such velocity it was a minor miracle if I released the ball before colliding with first slip. If the breeze was against me I executed a kind of cricketing moonwalk, apparently advancing while actually travelling backwards. Of batting I will say nothing save that the average pad provided ample protection for my shin but left a yard or so of sensitive, bony thigh exposed and that even using the longest willow available left me with a batting stance that was once likened to the crouch of a constipated toad.
This is the kind of thing tall sports people have had to endure over the years. And now Wenger seems determined to make things worse by axing big players altogether. I think it is time a halt was called and he bought back Patrick Vieira. And you'd better agree. Because if you don't, next time you're at a match I'm going to come and sit in front of you.
The Arsenal manager's apparent prejudice is just another kick in the teeth for the marginalised tall men of sport
The ability to make people feel bigger is generally seen as a positive attribute in a football manager. "Bill Shankly made you feel 10 feet tall" former players will say admiringly. If Arsène Wenger wants to feel 10 feet tall all he has to do is stand next to his forward line. Wenger seems determined to have the smallest team since the Wembley Wizards. Over the past few years he has been carrying out a process of miniaturisation in north London. Vieira, Henry and Adebayor have gone and in have come Eduardo, Rosicky and Arshavin. The more people tell the Arsenal manager he needs to buy someone muscular and imposing, the more determined he seems to field 11 pixies.
Perhaps there is a tactical reason for this. Possibly Wenger is football's answer to Cus D'Amato. Just as the great US boxing trainer spotted that huge modern heavyweights were vulnerable to a short guy getting in underneath their guard and unleashed Mike Tyson on the world, so the Frenchman is looking to undermine the likes of John Terry and Rio Ferdinand by fielding a set of strikers who can look right up the legs of their shorts. Or maybe Wenger is just trying to save money for his cash-strapped club – because obviously if you can buy all the squad's boots in the children's department you are going to save quite a bit in VAT.
I can't help wondering, though, if the Alsatian isn't simply a closet heightist. Wenger is, admittedly, pretty tall himself, but he may be one of those tall people who is in denial, perpetually responding to remarks that he is lofty by replying "No I'm not. I've just got big bones". As someone who has been able to whisper in a giraffe's ear without a springboard since he was 15, I have some sympathy. It is not always easy to face up to being tall – most mirrors are hung at such ludicrously low levels.
In fairness, Wenger would only be reflecting his sport's endemic heightist attitudes. "Such a good touch for a big man", the football commentators say, "So quick for a big man". So quick for a big man, indeed. Do these people ever watch athletics? I mean, Usain Bolt isn't exactly Ronnie Corbett, is he?
The perils of ordinary life are bad enough for those of us who suffer under the certain knowledge that our nasal hair will never sprout unnoticed. We have to cram ourselves under desks and bend double to reach work-surfaces. When it comes to sport, however, things are far, far worse. The tall person is the constant victim of athletic sizual stereotyping, forced to deny his or her true nature and always play at centre-half. While the short or the medium are allowed to jink and shimmy, those who find ourselves in the unfortunate position of always seeing eye-to-eye with Martin Keown must content themselves with being solid, commanding or towering. They will never know the freedom that results from being mercurial.
There are no greater exponents of this casual sizeism than the manufacturers of sports clothing and equipment. The people who make cricket whites, for example, labour under the illusion that the basic human shape is cubic. According to their philosophy If you have a 38in inside leg measurement you must also have a 38in waist. This is by no means true. As a consequence I, and no doubt hundreds of others like me, including Tim Tremlett in all probability, spent my teenage years torn between trousers that reached the top of my boots but had to be held up with braces and those that, while they didn't ever threaten to fall down around my ankles, didn't reach them either. Eventually I settled on the latter as marginally less embarrassing.
The shirt was another matter. In order to get one that was long enough to tuck into trousers I had to opt for a collar size marginally higher than Ian Bell's batting average. When I put on the shirt and sat on the floor I was often mistaken for a half-erected tent.
The shirt billowed, the trousers flapped at half-mast. As a result I invariably took the field looking as if I was making a bold but ill-advised bid to popularise culottes and a cape as suitable garments for our summer game. When play commenced things deteriorated still further, especially if it was windy. In even the slightest breeze my shirt became a sail. Bowling was almost impossible. With the wind in my favour I sped to the wicket at such velocity it was a minor miracle if I released the ball before colliding with first slip. If the breeze was against me I executed a kind of cricketing moonwalk, apparently advancing while actually travelling backwards. Of batting I will say nothing save that the average pad provided ample protection for my shin but left a yard or so of sensitive, bony thigh exposed and that even using the longest willow available left me with a batting stance that was once likened to the crouch of a constipated toad.
This is the kind of thing tall sports people have had to endure over the years. And now Wenger seems determined to make things worse by axing big players altogether. I think it is time a halt was called and he bought back Patrick Vieira. And you'd better agree. Because if you don't, next time you're at a match I'm going to come and sit in front of you.
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19:06 - Wenger seen standing on the touchline.
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Wenger
He proved all the doubters wrong today...again!
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Wenger warns against complacency
Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger warned his side against complacency after their 2-0 win at Celtic in the first leg of a Champions League qualifier.
A place in the Champions League group stage is at stake and Wenger said: "We have a good advantage but it is 180 minutes and we are in front after 90.
"You want to play well for 180 and that is our purpose.
"We have to make sure we win the game at home, we have to take it seriously and it is a massive game."
Wenger conceded that his side's goals came in fortuitous fashion but believes the Gunners deserved their luck in an impressive performance.
Arsenal's first goal came when a Cesc Fabregas free-kick struck William Gallas on the back and beat the wrong-footed Celtic keeper Artur Boruc.
Celtic let in a second as defender Gary Caldwell diverted a low cross from Arsenal left-back Gael Clichy into his own net.
"It was a fierce battle," added Wenger. "We dominated the game but Celtic were always fighting and counter-attacking and in the end, despite being in control, we scored two lucky goals. But yes, of course, we merited the good fortune.
"I concede that we were lucky with the goals but we had plenty of opportunity in the first 15 minutes of the second half.
Arsenal getting complacent after two wins on the bounce? Surely not...
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Fey wrote:
Wenger
He proved all the doubters wrong today...again!
That's a shockingly good Feytoshop
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Rather amused at the way that "heightist" piece from the Grauniad veered off into a personal cri de cœur at the way the guy's own height has been the bane of his life
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Wenger compares Diaby to Vieira
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/8216693.stm
You don't even need to read the article.
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reading is for wimps
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Thanx for saving my time.Stimulus Package wrote:Wenger compares Diaby to Vieira
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/8216693.stm
You don't even need to read the article.
What's this obsession with watching paedophiles? Weird kind of voyeurism.
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If had the money I'd set up WengerTV, a 24 hour a day reality TV show based on the life of Arsene Wenger.
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LMAO. Think he's pretty boring, actually very boring, also when it comes to football. Bit amazed by the tactical changes this season. We usually always play the same & he always waits to long with subs.
By the way the new Vieira is playing at Feyenoord. Leroy -the Iron Man- Fer is his name. Will be the new definition of a midfield powerhouse, mark my words.
Fer >>>>>>>>>> Diaby
By the way the new Vieira is playing at Feyenoord. Leroy -the Iron Man- Fer is his name. Will be the new definition of a midfield powerhouse, mark my words.
Fer >>>>>>>>>> Diaby
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De Guzman wrote:LMAO. Think he's pretty boring, actually very boring, also when it comes to football. Bit amazed by the tactical changes this season. We usually always play the same & he always waits to long with subs.
By the way the new Vieira is playing at Feyenoord. Leroy -the Iron Man- Fer is his name. Will be the new definition of a midfield powerhouse, mark my words.
Fer >>>>>>>>>> Diaby
Yeah, Yeah, and Bruins was the next big thing.
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Though it doesn't take much to be >>> Diaby, I'm sure Fer will be a superstar if he's got your endorsement.
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Stimulus Package wrote:I'm sure Fer will be a superstar if he's got your endorsement.
You kidding. RVP didn't turn into a superstar yet. De Guz, Arses, and other dutchies w*nk about him like he is the next Cruijff
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Unflinching Frenchman wrote:Stimulus Package wrote:I'm sure Fer will be a superstar if he's got your endorsement.
You kidding. RVP didn't turn into a superstar yet. De Guz, Arses, and other dutchies w*nk about him like he is the next Cruijff
RVP is pretty damn good. I honestly don't think I've EVER heard anyone say he's the next Cruyff.
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Ramsey>Diaby
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Tweedle wrote:Unflinching Frenchman wrote:Stimulus Package wrote:I'm sure Fer will be a superstar if he's got your endorsement.
You kidding. RVP didn't turn into a superstar yet. De Guz, Arses, and other dutchies w*nk about him like he is the next Cruijff
RVP is pretty damn good. I honestly don't think I've EVER heard anyone say he's the next Cruyff.
Yeah. Everyone knows RVP is the next Van Basten.
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Unflinching Frenchman wrote:Stimulus Package wrote:I'm sure Fer will be a superstar if he's got your endorsement.
You kidding. RVP didn't turn into a superstar yet. De Guz, Arses, and other dutchies w*nk about him like he is the next Cruijff
True, but Guz isn't your typical Arsenal fan, and RVP is a fine player yet to reach his full potential. The Dutch hype machine is no worse than the English or Spanish hype machines, in my view.
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I value Guz's opinion highly but the RVP fanbase on this board is a bit much. None of the dutch players at this moment deserve the hype. Including Robben, who has won La Liga and two Premier league titles (excelling as an attacking player for a shit-on-stick Moaninho side, no less).
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Unflinching Frenchman wrote:I value Guz's opinion highly but the RVP fanbase on this board is a bit much. None of the dutch players at this moment deserve the hype. Including Robben, who has won La Liga and two Premier league titles (excelling as an attacking player for a shit-on-stick Moaninho side, no less).
RVP has the most assists in the best league in the world!! So I think he deserves quite a bit of hype. If his name was RvPerez from fucking south america he would be hyped to death on this place.
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Stimulus Package wrote: The Dutch hype machine is no worse than the English or Spanish hype machines, in my view.
Incorrect.
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Fey wrote:Unflinching Frenchman wrote:I value Guz's opinion highly but the RVP fanbase on this board is a bit much. None of the dutch players at this moment deserve the hype. Including Robben, who has won La Liga and two Premier league titles (excelling as an attacking player for a shit-on-stick Moaninho side, no less).
RVP has the most assists in the best league in the world!! So I think he deserves quite a bit of hype. If his name was RvPerez from fucking south america he would be hyped to death on this place.
I'm not sure. For instance, Luis Suarez is not hyped at all.
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Unflinching Frenchman wrote:Fey wrote:Unflinching Frenchman wrote:I value Guz's opinion highly but the RVP fanbase on this board is a bit much. None of the dutch players at this moment deserve the hype. Including Robben, who has won La Liga and two Premier league titles (excelling as an attacking player for a shit-on-stick Moaninho side, no less).
RVP has the most assists in the best league in the world!! So I think he deserves quite a bit of hype. If his name was RvPerez from fucking south america he would be hyped to death on this place.
I'm not sure. For instance, Luis Suarez is not hyped at all.
Maybe, but I have no part of that. Infact I agree with you that Suarez is hyped. Must be, because he is South American I reckon
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