Wengerwatch 2009/10

Blackburn actually haven't been too bad for the past four months or so.

To be fair to Bendtner (to be fair), "he only scores consolations" is a bit misleading. For example, his goal at Camp Nou was potentially crucial...it's only Messi's ensuing exhibition that rendered Bendtner's goal a "consolation". Similarly, last night if someone (could arguably be him) had scored the 2nd goal, maybe his wouldn't just be a consolation, but a crucial goal in a comeback draw.

In other words, had those games gone completely differently to how they actually went, Bendtner's consolations might not have been consolations.

You know what Kas, if Bendtner had scored the winning goals in games against Man Utd, Barca, Liverpool, Villa, Everton, Chelsea, Spurs and Man City then he would have scored important goals against big teams.

But you know what Kas, he didn't, so he hasn't.

You know what Kas, if Van Persie wasn't a crock or a rapist he might have actually scored 20 goals in a single season.

You know what Kas, if I wasn't lazy, useless at football and decided smoking hash and reading Sartre was more important to me at 16 than playing sport then I could have been the best player in the world.

You know what Kas, if Napoleon had been successful in his attempts to invade Russia then the entire history of Europe from that point onwards would have been radically different.

You know what Kas, if the things that actually happened didn't actually happen, and other things that didn't actually happen actually happened, then the world would be a different place.


Serious motherfucking

Tweesus wrote:Blackburn actually haven't been too bad for the past four months or so.

During which time Bendtner hasn't scored against them.

Which only reinforces my point about him being quite shit.

Dr Adel Sabah wrote:

Tweesus wrote:Blackburn actually haven't been too bad for the past four months or so.

During which time Bendtner hasn't scored against them.

Which only reinforces my point about him being quite shit.

Well i consider all the premier league teams pre 1999 to have been 'abit shit' so shall we write off all of Cantona's goals as well?

I'm not as anti-Bendtner as you are but I'm not exactly a Bendtner lover either. I think that he's a decent premier league player though and he's filled in adequately in the absense of RVP. I think we've managed better without RVP and with Bendtner than Utd would have managed without Rooney and with Berbatov' or Liverpool without Torres and with N'gog.

All that shows is that you've overhyped Van Persie's talent and importance to the team.


Anyone can score tap ins.

Hardly. It proves that you've underhyped Bendtner's contribution morelike. If RVP had been fit all season then using his 7 goals in 11 games stat from his first 11 games, he'd have got us roughly 25 goals over the course of the season. Compared to bendtner's 7(?), you could assume that we'd have picked up a fair few more points and would be top of the league.

Dr Adel Sabah wrote:In other words, had those games gone completely differently to how they actually went, Bendtner's consolations might not have been consolations.

You know what Kas, if Bendtner had scored the winning goals in games against Man Utd, Barca, Liverpool, Villa, Everton, Chelsea, Spurs and Man City then he would have scored important goals against big teams.

But you know what Kas, he didn't, so he hasn't.

You know what Kas, if Van Persie wasn't a crock or a rapist he might have actually scored 20 goals in a single season.

You know what Kas, if I wasn't lazy, useless at football and decided smoking hash and reading Sartre was more important to me at 16 than playing sport then I could have been the best player in the world.

You know what Kas, if Napoleon had been successful in his attempts to invade Russia then the entire history of Europe from that point onwards would have been radically different.

You know what Kas, if the things that actually happened didn't actually happen, and other things that didn't actually happen actually happened, then the world would be a different place.


Serious motherfucking

Ok ok calm down. I'm not exactly in the "Bendtner is prolific and well on his way to becoming world class" camp either. In fact, I'm pretty far away from it.

Tweesus wrote:Hardly.

Did you not just directly compared Van Persie to Torres and Rooney?

I think it's fair to say that such a comparison overrates Van Persie's talent and importance. This is a guy who has never played more than half a season for your club - how important can he be?

It proves that you've underhyped Bendtner's contribution morelike.

Scoring consolations against Barca and the odd goal against Stoke or Hull isn't much of a contribution when you offer fuck all else to the side.

If RVP had been fit all season then using his 7 goals in 11 games stat from his first 11 games, he'd have got us roughly 25 goals over the course of the season.

Van Persie has never been fit all season.

You are assuming his goalscoring would have continued at the same rate, even if by some miracle he had remained fit for more than a couple of months.

That's a serious stretch, even for a man with an arse as loose as yours.

Compared to bendtner's 7(?), you could assume that we'd have picked up a fair few more points and would be top of the league.

You can assume anything you like. Didn't Bendtner get you winners against Stoke and Wolves? If you're taking him out for Van Persie in your hypothetical bullshit scenario of Van Persie being fit all season, that's 6 points you can knock off your total straightaway.

debaser wrote:

Robert F'gerald Earle MBE wrote:

debaser wrote:Well, Mr E has just guaranteed Bendtner will score tonight. Wonder what odds he is for opening goal

Yes, yes I think I probably have. I don't care anymore, I officially stopped liking football at 7PM on Sunday. We're on a break, not answering any calls and no drunken 2AM texts because I've flushed my phone down the toilet

Oooh you were lucky. Obviously the karmic powers decided to only slightly mock your dangerous tempting of fate with a consolation goal..

Can I assume your latest facebook update is:

Robert Fitzgerald Earle MBE and Football are back in a relationship

Spot on Debbie - she came running back, desperate for a reconciliation. What cna I do, she's a prickteasing bitch but I love her

Dr Adel Sabah wrote:

Tweesus wrote:If RVP had been fit all season then using his 7 goals in 11 games stat from his first 11 games, he'd have got us roughly 25 goals over the course of the season.

Van Persie has never been fit all season.

You are assuming his goalscoring would have continued at the same rate, even if by some miracle he had remained fit for more than a couple of months.

That's a serious stretch, even for a man with an arse as loose as yours.

If we take Van Persie's goalscoring stats from 2010 (0 goals in 1 game) and extrapolate that over the whole of 09/10, we see that his being fit wouldn't have helped at all, as he would've ended the season with 0 goals in 38 games. Which is slightly worse that Bendtner. Evidence

Dr Adel Sabah wrote:Did you not just directly compared Van Persie to Torres and Rooney?

Yes, yes I did. They're each the number one strikers in their team in essentially a 4-5-1 style formation. I haven't compared their respective abilities.

I think it's fair to say that such a comparison overrates Van Persie's talent and importance. This is a guy who has never played more than half a season for your club - how important can he be?

How long is a piece of string? Fact of the matter is that we haven't won anything in any of those four seasons. If he'd played a whole season for one of those, might that stat be different? Its possible. Given how he's played when he has been fit, I'd speculate that it would.

Scoring consolations against Barca and the odd goal against Stoke or Hull isn't much of a contribution when you offer fuck all else to the side.

Well that's not true. He offers an outlet to us when the defence is under pressure and although he's not got much of a workrate to write home about, he does perform cog-like duties every now and again. The teams looked a lot more like a team with him in there than it did when Eduardo was the only option.So he must be doing smething right.

Van Persie has never been fit all season.

Well he was in his first two seasons but we had Henry and Bergkamp back then so he was only really used as a sub.

You are assuming his goalscoring would have continued at the same rate, even if by some miracle he had remained fit for more than a couple of months.

That's a serious stretch, even for a man with an arse as loose as yours.

Is it? Is this not what a scientist would do? Extrapolate primary evidence?

You can assume anything you like. Didn't Bendtner get you winners against Stoke and Wolves? If you're taking him out for Van Persie in your hypothetical bullshit scenario of Van Persie being fit all season, that's 6 points you can knock off your total straightaway.

Fine, but in my assumptions, we're adding 18 goals to the total - some of those will clearly switch drawn games to won games.

Tweesus wrote:

Dr Adel Sabah wrote:
You are assuming his goalscoring would have continued at the same rate, even if by some miracle he had remained fit for more than a couple of months.

That's a serious stretch, even for a man with an arse as loose as yours.

Is it? Is this not what a scientist would do? Extrapolate primary evidence?

Hows abouts I measures the temperature at 4am, 6am, 8am, 10am and midday. Why I'd get a fairly steady increase in temperature. I shall just extrapolate that data to prove that by midnight it will be at least 40 degrees

debaser wrote:

Tweesus wrote:

Dr Adel Sabah wrote:
You are assuming his goalscoring would have continued at the same rate, even if by some miracle he had remained fit for more than a couple of months.

That's a serious stretch, even for a man with an arse as loose as yours.

Is it? Is this not what a scientist would do? Extrapolate primary evidence?

How's abouts I measures the temperature at 4am, 6am, 8am, 10am and midday. Why I'd get a fairly steady increase in temperature. I shall just extrapolate that data to prove that by midnight it will be at least 40 degrees

debaser wrote:

Tweesus wrote:

Dr Adel Sabah wrote:
You are assuming his goalscoring would have continued at the same rate, even if by some miracle he had remained fit for more than a couple of months.

That's a serious stretch, even for a man with an arse as loose as yours.

Is it? Is this not what a scientist would do? Extrapolate primary evidence?

Hows abouts I measures the temperature at 4am, 6am, 8am, 10am and midday. Why I'd get a fairly steady increase in temperature. I shall just extrapolate that data to prove that by midnight it will be at least 40 degrees

Unless your Amr Zaki, football doesn't follow that sort of model though does it?

Tweesus wrote:

Dr Adel Sabah wrote:Did you not just directly compared Van Persie to Torres and Rooney?

Yes, yes I did. They're each the number one strikers in their team in essentially a 4-5-1 style formation. I haven't compared their respective abilities.

Yes you did. Yes, you did, as soon as you started talking about how much better Arsenal would cope hypothetically if hypothetically Van Persie were injured and hypothetically if Bendtner were his replacement and if hypothetically Rooney were injured and hypothetically Berbatov were his replacement and all that.

I think it's fair to say that such a comparison overrates Van Persie's talent and importance. This is a guy who has never played more than half a season for your club - how important can he be?

How long is a piece of string?

http://www.google.co.uk/

Fact of the matter is that we haven't won anything in any of those four seasons. If he'd played a whole season for one of those, might that stat be different? Its possible. Given how he's played when he has been fit, I'd speculate that it would.

Five seasons. It's five seasons since you won anything.

Scoring consolations against Barca and the odd goal against Stoke or Hull isn't much of a contribution when you offer fuck all else to the side.

Well that's not true. He offers an outlet to us when the defence is under pressure and although he's not got much of a workrate to write home about, he does perform cog-like duties every now and again. The teams looked a lot more like a team with him in there than it did when Eduardo was the only option.So he must be doing smething right.

Being better than Eduardo is like beating a quadriplegic in a shoelace tying competition.

Van Persie has never been fit all season.

Well he was in his first two seasons but we had Henry and Bergkamp back then so he was only really used as a sub.

I'm sure if he'd played more then he would have got injured.

You are assuming his goalscoring would have continued at the same rate, even if by some miracle he had remained fit for more than a couple of months.

That's a serious stretch, even for a man with an arse as loose as yours.

Is it? Is this not what a scientist would do? Extrapolate primary evidence?

Debbie's already shown where you've gone wrong here.

You can assume anything you like. Didn't Bendtner get you winners against Stoke and Wolves? If you're taking him out for Van Persie in your hypothetical bullshit scenario of Van Persie being fit all season, that's 6 points you can knock off your total straightaway.

Fine, but in my assumptions, we're adding 18 goals to the total - some of those will clearly switch drawn games to won games.

Why 'clearly'? Does Van Persie have a useful knack of getting goals against more physical sides the like of which you tend to struggle against?

I'd say the opposite is true - Van Persie offers you something extra against the better sides, like Spurs last night. Since you've been comprehensively outplayed by almost every decent side you've faced this season, I see no reason why a miraculously fully fit Van Persie would have made that much difference to your season. He would have made a difference, of course. He is a better player than Bendtner, of course.

But this crap about he'd be on a par with Rooney and you would have won a trophy and all that is just crap. He came on last night and despite putting in an excellent sub appearance, you still lost the game. Tells you something.

Well we're bringing in Chamakh over the summer so the whole Bendtner issue will be resolved anyway...