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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Fri Jan 29, 2010 5:43 pm

    Allez les rouges wrote:Not taking finances into account, although Stoke have spent quite a lot recently, I can understand the emotional reaction of "that's not football at all" in their case, but seems ridiculously harsh and inappropriate for Villa recently, money or no. I can't imagine Stoke beating anyone 6-4...

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    Post by The Pröfessör Fri Jan 29, 2010 6:01 pm

    The Santa Stalker™ wrote:
    Allez les rouges wrote:As I've said, they are indeed excessively long-ball for my tastes too but a team like Stoke deserves that criticism more than Villa, who were excellent on Wednesday.

    Stoke are doing what the can with the budget they have. And it's not like they cannot play at all with some of the players the have - Etherington, Lawrence, Fuller & Tuncay for example.

    MON spends way more than Stoke so he deserves more criticism.

    That's not a valid excuse TS - see Burnley.

    Are Stoke any less talented?

    It's just pure cowardice by their manager.

    I also reckon Stoke's budget isn't any smaller than atleast 1/3 of La liga sides.
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    Post by L r dd Fri Jan 29, 2010 6:16 pm

    Burnley are going down Stoke are a solid prem team now who can attract decent players due to that status. I get you don't like teams who play certain football. But to consider it wrong or cowardice is a bit ridiculous. Learn to combat it and they'll change or struggle. Whine and you get nowhere. I like the different mix we have.
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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Fri Jan 29, 2010 6:17 pm

    Very Happy

    Burnley are 18th, Stoke are 12th

    Stoke >> Burnley

    that's just maths

    at least 1/3 of La Liga sides would finish below Stoke if they were in the EPL
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    Post by The Pröfessör Fri Jan 29, 2010 6:37 pm

    L r dd wrote:Burnley are going down Stoke are a solid prem team now who can attract decent players due to that status. I get you don't like teams who play certain football. But to consider it wrong or cowardice is a bit ridiculous. Learn to combat it and they'll change or struggle. Whine and you get nowhere. I like the different mix we have.

    Only because they lost their manager.

    They turned u over at home, did the same to us but we got lucky, playing football.

    Wigan under Paul Jewell played decent stuff too.

    West ham - who are skint - play good football etc

    My point is u can survive in the league playing football even if your budget isn't the biggest.

    My gripe is with managers like Tony Pulis who take the easy option and play nothing resembling football. I can understand teams playing the long ball but Stoke take it to another level. There's absolutely NO midfield play in a match involving Stoke. I have always felt i have wasted some valuable minutes of my life after watching them play.
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Fri Jan 29, 2010 10:22 pm

    The Professor wrote:
    The Santa Stalker™️ wrote:
    Allez les rouges wrote:As I've said, they are indeed excessively long-ball for my tastes too but a team like Stoke deserves that criticism more than Villa, who were excellent on Wednesday.

    Stoke are doing what the can with the budget they have. And it's not like they cannot play at all with some of the players the have - Etherington, Lawrence, Fuller & Tuncay for example.

    MON spends way more than Stoke so he deserves more criticism.

    That's not a valid excuse TS - see Burnley.

    Are Stoke any less talented?

    It's just pure cowardice by their manager.

    I also reckon Stoke's budget isn't any smaller than at least 1/3 of La liga sides.

    I've said before that all the money in the EPL really doesn't help the quality of footy at the bottom end cos the vast majority of managers just want to survive and will resort to percentages to do so... and I don't blame them one bit cos of the financial implications.

    WBA & Middlesbrough played the best footy out of all the teams in the relegation scrap last season & guess what, they finished in the bottom 2.
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    Post by Pierre Littbarski Fri Jan 29, 2010 10:49 pm

    The Santa Stalker™️ wrote:

    I've said before that all the money in the EPL really doesn't help the quality of footy at the bottom end cos the vast majority of managers just want to survive and will resort to percentages to do so... and I don't blame them one bit cos of the financial implications.

    WBA & Middlesbrough played the best footy out of all the teams in the relegation scrap last season & guess what, they finished in the bottom 2.

    Forget the EPL, WBA were one of the better footballing sides in europe last season but couldn't defend set-pieces/high balls into the box.

    People who appreciate neat footballing sides - great.

    People who think everyone should play like that and no one should do long ball - twats.
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    Post by Aristoskank Tue Feb 09, 2010 2:06 pm

    Arsene Wenger blames media for Michael Ballack row

    Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger has blamed the media for causing a row with Chelsea's Michael Ballack following his team's 2-0 defeat at Chelsea on Sunday.

    Wenger claims he was misreported by the press and insists he was "full of compliments and praise" for Chelsea.

    "I find it completely unfair, you take one word of my press conference to turn it around, every time.

    "You did it at Villa, you did it at Chelsea, but every time I was positive towards the opponents," he said.

    "If you want I can say nothing in my press conferences, don't worry," warned Wenger.

    Ballack was unhappy with Wenger's comment that "we didn't get a demonstration of football" from Chelsea in Sunday's match.

    "Wenger always says things like this when he loses to find an excuse," said the Germany captain.

    "It is my job to take a distance from that and analyse the game in a calm way with a cool head and to analyse what is right."

    "I have to live with all the conclusions that Chelsea are a much better side, but I believe what I believe."

    Chelsea midfielder Ballack also labelled Arsenal one-dimensional, saying: "We knew the way Arsenal play. It is always the same style."

    "That is what Manchester United showed when they played them and what we did.

    "We derived the win because we were very effective, and that was our strategy."

    Ballack, who joined Chelsea from Bayern Munich in 2006, believes the title race is now between the Stamford Bridge outfit and Manchester United.

    Chelsea's victory on Sunday put them two points clear of Manchester United in the Premier League table, and nine in front of the Gunners.

    "If you look now, it seems like a race between Manchester United and us. But four weeks ago, you could see how it was [different] and it can go quick when teams lose points," the 33-year-old added.

    Threatening to do a Fergie probably won't win him any favours.

    Still, good to see he's keeping his chin up and not blaming others.
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    Post by Sheffield gunner Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:28 pm

    I'm not particularly keen on defending Wenger at the moment, but he does have a fair point. I don't think many people will disagree with what he said about Villa, and he was (for the most part) positive about them. Against Chelsea, he made a few stupid comments, but again, for the most part he gave an accurate assessment of their performance. Naturally the press look to create stories, which is why what he said about Villa got distilled down to "Wenger says you play crap football" when reported to O'Neill, and he reacted just as the press desired and gave them a story to run with.

    There's nothing new in this though, and Wenger throwing his toys out the pram won't help him.
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    Post by Allez les rouges Wed Feb 10, 2010 11:19 am

    I was going to add here or on the Arsenal thread that whereas there was good cause for him after the United game to tear several strips out of his players' inadequate performance, there was a reason why he retreated into excuses after the Chelsea game, as he had only himself to blame with his mystifying tactics and selection.
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    Post by Aristoskank Sat Feb 20, 2010 11:05 am

    Wenger describes referee against Porto as 'incompetent or dishonest' and describes how once the referee is in the middle of the action he can no longer allow a quick free kick.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/8524424.stm

    See from 2:30 onwards.