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    Post by TheCrazy58 Fri Sep 04, 2009 8:53 pm

    L r dd wrote:
    TheCrazy58 wrote:What would Ferg or Rooney do if they were subjected to the same abuse week in week out?

    Im sure Fergie has got his fair share of abuse from grounds my friend.

    For being a drunken maniac with a crook son but that is quite different from being called a paedo.


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    Post by L r dd Fri Sep 04, 2009 8:54 pm

    TheCrazy58 wrote:
    L r dd wrote:
    TheCrazy58 wrote:What would Ferg or Rooney do if they were subjected to the same abuse week in week out?

    Im sure Fergie has got his fair share of abuse from grounds my friend.

    For being a drunken maniac but that is quite different from being called a paedo.

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    Post by Sheffield gunner Fri Sep 04, 2009 8:56 pm

    Stimulus Package wrote:
    TheCrazy58 wrote: It's staggering that AW has had to put up with this for 13 years and it speaks volumes for the pathetic hypocracy in English football - if a British manager was subjected to same levels of defamation it would have been acted upon much much sooner.

    I don't think he's had pedo chants for the whole 13 years but I do agree, the chants are as abusive as anything out there and bugger all is done about it. I find them funny, of course, but I still don't think he should have to tolerate that.

    Actually they have been going on from very early on in Wenger's career here in England. I think some people have tried to justify the chants as a 'humorous' critique of Wenger's recent youth policy, but it comes from long before that. I remember there were rumours spread about this, and I believe the insinuation was that some of the tabloid press found it rather amusing at the time and that Arsenal had to quietly threaten them. Not that this accounts for the way it has spread around grounds.
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    Post by TheCrazy58 Fri Sep 04, 2009 9:01 pm

    Commentators always clam up when this kind of abuse is quite audible in live match broadcasts. They could say something for a start and possibly even refuse to do live coverage from grounds with persistently offending home supporters. Then the clubs might do something about it.

    So no live match broadcasts from OT, Anfield or WHL.


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    Post by Aristoskank Fri Sep 04, 2009 9:01 pm

    I helped spread those rumours. I feel a bit guilty now.
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    Post by TheCrazy58 Fri Sep 04, 2009 9:02 pm

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    Post by EMP Tue Sep 08, 2009 4:41 pm

    TheCrazy58 wrote:Quite right too. However, Amazon were refusing to withdraw it only yesterday saying that'll be giving into censorship ( Rolling Eyes ) etc....but they'd been frightened off by the prospect of being blackballed and possibly the prospect of being sued. It's staggering that AW has had to put up with this for 13 years and it speaks volumes for the pathetic hypocracy in English football - if a British manager was subjected to same levels of defamation it would have been acted upon much much sooner.

    You are aware that Dave Jones has had to put up with that shit for years. I think it happened again last season. Jones was wrongly accused of paedophilia when he worked in a care home. There was no credible evidence against him, but Southampton disgracefully sacked him before it went to trial. He was completely vindicated.
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    Post by Aristoskank Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:55 am

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/8258287.stm

    Arsene Wenger has criticised Manchester City boss Mark Hughes for defending Emmanuel Adebayor's alleged stamp on Arsenal's Robin van Persie.

    Hughes asked for the Togo striker to be "cut a bit of slack" after the incident during City's 4-2 win over Arsenal.

    But the Gunners boss retorted: "You ask 100 people, 99 will say it's very bad and the hundredth will be Mark Hughes."

    The Football Association have charged Adebayor with violent conduct and City must respond by 1800 BST on Wednesday.

    In the lead-up to the incident Adebayor had managed to avoid Van Persie's sliding tackle before his right boot caught the Dutchman in the face, leaving him needing treatment for a cut.

    Did Wenger insist on Van Persie getting banned when he kicked someone in the head (who was standing up, and hadn't just tried to cripple him) in the CL a couple of seasons back?

    No.

    Did Wenger insist on Henry getting banned for his 'inciting' of the Spuds fans with his celebration a few seasons back?

    No.

    Did the Arsenal player rightly banned for cheating have his ban overturned by the authorities just because he's an Arsenal player?

    Yes.

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    Post by Aristoskank Sat Sep 19, 2009 6:03 pm

    Our job is not to talk too much but to win games.

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    Post by Aristoskank Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:35 am

    Hughes has a Wenger moment:

    Manchester City will not discipline striker Craig Bellamy after an altercation with a fan in Sunday's 4-3 defeat at Manchester United.

    The police and the Football Association are both looking at the incident.

    Asked if the club would take any action against Bellamy, City's assistant boss Mark Bowen told BBC Radio 5 live: "No. I don't think there is any need to.

    "My take is that he thought the fella might spit in his face or something," added Bowen.

    "He came very close and moved towards him. Craig, with an open hand, just pushed the fella away."

    City manager Mark Hughes has also defended Wales captain Bellamy's actions, saying: "I did not see it but the guy should not have been on the pitch. That is not acceptable."

    Bowen thinks that assaulting a man already being restrained doesn't warrant any disciplinary action, because he 'moved towards' Bellers and the player thought the guy might spit on him.

    An exceptionally shameless response from Man City's management. No doubt Goater will be happy with this.
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    Post by Aristoskank Sat Oct 31, 2009 12:51 pm

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/8331399.stm

    Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger believes Kieran Gibbs can force his way into England's 2010 World Cup squad.

    England coach Fabio Capello watched left-back Gibbs, 20, turn in a fine display during the Gunners' 2-1 Carling Cup win over Liverpool on Wednesday.

    "Gibbs will get games and has already this season," said Wenger of the England Under-21 star, who has made 27 first-team appearances for Arsenal.

    "If Capello asks my opinion, I'll give a positive one. He's ready to step up."


    A player whose only consistent run in the Arsenal team (more than 2 games in a row) resulted in Arsenal losing more than they won, is somehow ready for the England team?

    Only Arsene. Only Arsenal.
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    Post by Hlebagone Sat Oct 31, 2009 1:43 pm

    Yeah. he's no Wayne Bridge.
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    Post by Aristoskank Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:13 pm

    Is that honestly the best you can do?


    If Fergie said Danny Welbeck was ready for the England squad then I'd have the same response.
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    Post by Hlebagone Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:27 pm

    To be honest, we are pretty weak at left back outside Ashley Cole. Bridge has been consistently underwhelming for years now. Baines is probably too slow. I'm running out of names already. Lescott i suppose...
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    Post by Aristoskank Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:30 pm

    The question isn't whether there are problems with other leftbacks in the England squad.

    The question is whether Gibbs is good enough, or experienced enough. So far, he is neither. However, such is the desperation of the press to see an Arsenal-produced English player in the squad that they ask Wenger these dumb questions and he gives them retarded answers.

    Makes me sick. If Walcott played for West Ham he wouldn't be anywhere near the England squad.
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    Post by debaser Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:34 pm

    Hlebagone wrote:To be honest, we are pretty weak at left back outside Ashley Cole. Bridge has been consistently underwhelming for years now. Baines is probably too slow. I'm running out of names already. Lescott i suppose...

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    Post by fcb Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:51 am

    Stimulus Package wrote:The question isn't whether there are problems with other leftbacks in the England squad.

    The question is whether Gibbs is good enough, or experienced enough.

    Aren't those two related? If there were no other English LBs around, would you still rather play a CB or LW there instead of Gibbs?
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    Post by Aristoskank Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:05 pm

    Yes, I'd rather play an established, experienced player out of position than someone in their correct position who has proven pretty catastrophic in the few games he's played.

    Look at Arsenal's results with Gibbs in the team. He's a calamity, the Titus Bramble of overrated Arsenal leftbacks.
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    Post by Aristoskank Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:54 am

    http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Wenger-accuses-Atletico-Madrid-of-tapping-up-Arsenal-whizzkid-article212223.html

    Arsene Wenger has accused Atletico Madrid of “tapping up“ Arsenal whizzkid Fran Merida.

    Mirror Sport revealed last month that 19-year-old Merida has stalled on signing a new long-term contract with Arsenal because Atletico Madrid had made the Spanish midfielder aware of their interest.

    Wenger has warned that Merida will not have a future at Arsenal unless he signs a new deal and the club fear they may lose him when his contract expires at the end of the season.

    Gunners boss Wenger said: “Some clubs are doing work behind our back to destabilise him and we cannot stop that, but it is a fact.

    “I can’t say I’m annoyed by other clubs going after our players because we do it as well. But we do it legally.

    “The difference is that we do not do what is not allowed by the law. We try to get the best player everywhere when it is allowed by the rules.

    “For example, in this case, Fran Merida is at the end of his contract at the end of the season, but we know as well that means he could be contacted on January 1, 2010.

    “We are not naive enough to believe that will happen at midnight on January 1 - that he gets the first phone call.”

    Merida’s representatives are due for further talks with Arsenal within the next fortnight but the Spaniard has yet to establish himself in the Premier League and Atletico’s offer to take him back to Spain is tempting him.

    Wenger added: “He’s in the squad. But we make room for the players we sign on longer term contracts and, as long as they do not commit, we do not plan to make room for them.”
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    Post by Aristoskank Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:03 pm

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/8385487.stm


    Wenger blames referee for defeat at Chelsea, says the Arshavin goal should have stood, couldn't see anything wrong with his player kicking the goalkeeper at shoulder height. Says that 'you cannot trust referees' when they give such explanations for their decisions. Says they were denied a penalty at Sunderland 'because it's Vela, because it's Eduardo'.

    Bet he doesn't get a touchline ban.
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    Post by L r dd Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:06 pm

    Haha that's ridiculous. Eduardo's foot was at least 7ft in the air FFS. And they lost 0-3 not 0-1.
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    Post by Tom Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:13 pm

    And we should have had a penalty.
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:23 pm

    Eduardo kicked through Cech's hands to get the ball. Farcical that he could even bitch about that.
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    Post by Super Progress Mon Nov 30, 2009 5:19 pm

    MadVillain™️ wrote:Eduardo kicked through Cech's hands to get the ball. Farcical that he could even bitch about that.
    When I saw the replay I couldn't tell if Cech had it completely under control though. But I agree that his foot seemed high up. So while Wenger might be talking shit he might be doing it for a reason. Perhaps he does now that what he is saying is crap but simply trying to change focus in a Mourinho like way. Correct me if im wrong but Wenger hasn't always been of the Ferguson/Mourinho mould in terms of farcial comments after games has he?

    If not then I think it might have to do with this "new" "young" team he has built that simply isn't mentally strong. Hence the deflections. Allthough his Drogba comment. Laugh
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    Post by Aristoskank Fri Dec 18, 2009 2:45 pm

    Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger is 'moaning like a drain' says Tony Pulis

    Arsene Wenger was accused on Thursday of "moaning like a drain" as fellow Premier League managers dismissed his complaints about both the Wolverhampton Wanderers team that faced Manchester United and the fixture schedule.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/arsenal/6836032/Arsenal-manager-Arsene-Wenger-is-moaning-like-a-drain-says-Tony-Pulis.html


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    Post by Romford Pele Fri Dec 18, 2009 2:45 pm

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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Sun Dec 27, 2009 1:32 pm

    Wenger: Long throws are unfair

    Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger would like kick-ins to be introduced after claiming teams with long-throw specialists have an "unfair advantage".

    The Arsenal boss witnessed his side torn apart by two Rory Delap deliveries in their visit to Stoke last season, when the former Republic of Ireland international set up both goals in the then-newly promoted side's 2-1 win.

    It was a tactic which made a large contribution to Stoke's survival.

    But as the Frenchman prepares his Arsenal team to play top-four rivals Aston Villa at the Emirates Stadium on Sunday - on an expansive pitch which reduces the threat of long throw-ins - the 60-year-old suggested kick-ins would allow the game to flow better.

    He told the club's official website: "(The rule I would change would be) maybe to play throw-ins by foot. Why not? I think it would make the game quicker."

    Wenger believes the advantage gained by teams possessing long-throw specialists is unfair.

    "For example at Stoke, for Rory Delap it is like kicking the ball," he added.

    "It is a little bit of an unfair advantage. He is using a strength that is usually not a strength in football."

    Radical though it sounds, Wenger insists the suggestion would not be the most revolutionary change to the game as football evolved to its current format.

    "Football is the most popular team game in the world and one day some crazy guy said 'we don't use the hands'," added the manager.

    "How could you have imagined on that day a game that is completely natural to play with your hands would become the most popular sport?"


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    Post by Super Progress Sun Dec 27, 2009 1:38 pm

    The Santa Stalker™️ wrote:
    Wenger: Long throws are unfair

    Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger would like kick-ins to be introduced after claiming teams with long-throw specialists have an "unfair advantage".

    The Arsenal boss witnessed his side torn apart by two Rory Delap deliveries in their visit to Stoke last season, when the former Republic of Ireland international set up both goals in the then-newly promoted side's 2-1 win.

    It was a tactic which made a large contribution to Stoke's survival.

    But as the Frenchman prepares his Arsenal team to play top-four rivals Aston Villa at the Emirates Stadium on Sunday - on an expansive pitch which reduces the threat of long throw-ins - the 60-year-old suggested kick-ins would allow the game to flow better.

    He told the club's official website: "(The rule I would change would be) maybe to play throw-ins by foot. Why not? I think it would make the game quicker."

    Wenger believes the advantage gained by teams possessing long-throw specialists is unfair.

    "For example at Stoke, for Rory Delap it is like kicking the ball," he added.

    "It is a little bit of an unfair advantage. He is using a strength that is usually not a strength in football."

    Radical though it sounds, Wenger insists the suggestion would not be the most revolutionary change to the game as football evolved to its current format.

    "Football is the most popular team game in the world and one day some crazy guy said 'we don't use the hands'," added the manager.

    "How could you have imagined on that day a game that is completely natural to play with your hands would become the most popular sport?"


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    This isn't even funny. When did he become such a loser, I mean this is absolutely pathetic.

    "It is a little bit of an unfair advantage. He is using a strength that is usually not a strength in football."

    What is next? He wants to change the rule so you can't make headers because the game is called football. Doh
    It is like he is reading this board and loves to have people talk about so he has to constantly come up with this bullshit.
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    Post by Allez les rouges Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:08 am

    I know that to side with or even sympathize with Wenger on this board is frowned upon but could it not be that he has a point here? OK, the long thrown-ins as things stand are perfectly legal, but largely undefendable as they are especially because no offside applies; you could well argue that it's almost cheating.

    I mean just chucking the ball into the goal from forty yards, I don't know what that is, but it isn't football. A legitimate tactic certainly, but I don't see why it's out of order to even have a debate on the matter.

    Wenger a loser Doh. Of course, an Arsenal fan isn't even allowed to pass comment here Rolling Eyes

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    Post by Aristoskank Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:57 am

    Allez les rouges wrote:I know that to side with or even sympathize with Wenger on this board is frowned upon but could it not be that he has a point here?

    No. It's like saying those teams with direct free kick specialists have an unfair advantage over those who don't.

    OK, the long thrown-ins as things stand are perfectly legal, but largely undefendable as they are especially because no offside applies; you could well argue that it's almost cheating.

    Being able to argue something doesn't make that argument a valid one.

    I mean just chucking the ball into the goal from forty yards, I don't know what that is, but it isn't football. A legitimate tactic certainly, but I don't see why it's out of order to even have a debate on the matter.

    Because Wenger wouldn't be talking about this if his side had a long throw specialist and a targetman or two.

    You can't chuck the ball into the goal from forty yards, or rather, you can but it wouldn't count as a goal.

    Wenger a loser Doh. Of course, an Arsenal fan isn't even allowed to pass comment here Rolling Eyes

    Certainly not when that passing comment is a defense of possibly the most stupid thing Wenger has ever said, and the only reason you're defending it it because it was said by Wenger.

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