Rooney is honest !

Ray Parlour wrote:Bullshit

Typical United decision at Old Trafford. People call us sore losers but it would've been justice if Campbell had dropped kicked Rooney at the final whistle.

Eh Rooney woulda probably took that soft fag to an earlier retirement in league two. and yeah i was joking i loved that dive. 49 and out

L r dd wrote:

Ray Parlour wrote:Bullshit

Typical United decision at Old Trafford. People call us sore losers but it would've been justice if Campbell had dropped kicked Rooney at the final whistle.

Eh Rooney woulda probably took that soft fag to an earlier retirement in league two. and yeah i was joking i loved that dive. 49 and out

Ray Parlour wrote:Bullshit

Typical United decision at Old Trafford. People call us sore losers but it would've been justice if Campbell had dropped kicked Rooney at the final whistle.

Justice in the Martin Keown sense of the world?

If you want to talk about shameless behaviour on a football field then how about Arsenal chavving it up after Van Nistelrooy missed a penalty? Yeah, it's really tough and impressive getting paid 50 grand a week and ganging up with your mates to shove someone around. Great example they set to all those youngsters watching the highest profile match of the season...

Rather bullying than diving..... Playful banter

Spider Crouch wrote:

Unflinching Frenchman wrote:Klinsmann is mroe honest player than Rooney(Gerrard, or any "English" players) ever will be.

Oh please.

As if this is the bastion of "honesty". In a World Cup final to boot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB7Y33VteME

I remember that dive. I saw it in real time then as a wee ten year old, and my father was explaining to me "that's how Germans are", and why it was filthy to cheat, let alone in a WC final.

DD wrote:

Spider Crouch wrote:

Unflinching Frenchman wrote:Klinsmann is mroe honest player than Rooney(Gerrard, or any "English" players) ever will be.

Oh please.

As if this is the bastion of "honesty". In a World Cup final to boot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB7Y33VteME

I remember that dive. I saw it in real time then as a wee ten year old, and my father was explaining to me "that's how Germans are", and why it was filthy to cheat, let alone in a WC final.

Exactly

And that's why Germany's titles don't count for shit, everyone knows they would never have won anything without cheating

Axeslammer wrote:

DD wrote:

Spider Crouch wrote:

Unflinching Frenchman wrote:Klinsmann is mroe honest player than Rooney(Gerrard, or any "English" players) ever will be.

Oh please.

As if this is the bastion of "honesty". In a World Cup final to boot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB7Y33VteME

I remember that dive. I saw it in real time then as a wee ten year old, and my father was explaining to me "that's how Germans are", and why it was filthy to cheat, let alone in a WC final.

Exactly

And that's why Germany's titles don't count for shit, everyone knows they would never have won anything without cheating

They won and they got the trophy and that is what it is all about.

I think the Rooney penalty incident against Slovenia illustrates the dilemma over diving, from a player's perspective...lrd has also alluded to this but I don't remember in which thread.

Let me use the Etoo-Ferdinand incident in the 2008 CL semifinal as a more clear example: Ferdinand fouled Etoo, but the striker just about stayed on his feet. However in trying to do so, he lost a bit of momentum and balance which prevented him from breaking free and possibly scoring. Had he gone down, he could have had a penalty.

So players think "even if the foul is minor and only reduced my chances of scoring by 10%, why should I not go down and get what my team and I deserve, which is a better scoring chance? "

Rooney probably could have stayed on his feet, but the shirt tug prevented him from scoring.

Similarly, when a goalkeeper rushes out, all players nowadays dive over his oustretched arm or leg, just leaving their leg trailing for as long as possible to make sure they make contact and it looks legitimate.

Because if they stayed on their feet and tried to go around the keeper or jump over him, they would lose that crucial second, or go a little bit wider than they want to, and thus, the scoring chance is ruined.

You can also look it at from another perspective - if some talentless defender is kicking you or tackling really rough for the past 85 minutes instead of trying to play the ball fairly, I would not hesitate in diving when one of his rough plays happen in the penalty box or in a good free kick position, or if he's already on a yellow.

Why should I, as a skillful attacking player, put up with borderline unethical play of an inferior defender and not resort to unethical acts myself...only so that some naive fans can continue clutching to their "my team and players are honest" slogan?

This diving thing is not as black and white as people make it sound. I don't think there's a simple solution to it at all, unless they introduce a much more rigid, technology-based, solution to the current highly subjective refereeing in football.

I agree with Kas - the 'divers' (forwards) have to deal with as much foul play as defenders or goalkeepers.
If they are going to retroactively ban players for diving they should do it for any other foul play as well. If a defender gets away with a shirt tug stopping a goalscoring chance they should be banned as well. As it is now defenders get away with far too many consistent niggling fouls. Look how difficult Crouch has it, he is constantly penalised for doing what the defenders do to him. Forwards should continue diving for as long as they have to put up with defenders constantly going through the back of them.

Super Granero wrote:

Axeslammer wrote:

DD wrote:

Spider Crouch wrote:

Unflinching Frenchman wrote:Klinsmann is mroe honest player than Rooney(Gerrard, or any "English" players) ever will be.

Oh please.

As if this is the bastion of "honesty". In a World Cup final to boot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB7Y33VteME

I remember that dive. I saw it in real time then as a wee ten year old, and my father was explaining to me "that's how Germans are", and why it was filthy to cheat, let alone in a WC final.

Exactly

And that's why Germany's titles don't count for shit, everyone knows they would never have won anything without cheating

They won and they got the trophy and that is what it is all about.

If that was the case Capello would still be in charge of Real Madrid

The hypocrisy knows no limits.

This thread is right up there.

blutgraetsche wrote:The hypocrisy knows no limits.

This thread is right up there.

How do you mean?

If you're talking about Axe's/Fey's "German cheats" comments - you know to take that with a pinch of salt.

Klinsmann was a horrendous diver, but we loved him in the end because he took the piss out of himself. But he does still to this day maintain he wasn't a diver. Which is of course rubbish.

Rooney has dived, that's not even up for debate (although I've yet to see him dive quite as spectacularly as Klinsmann did in the WC final in 1990, when he somehow manages to elevate himself off the ground on the second roll ).

This bullshit that he's too honest is bollocks. We all know that. He has dived, and I'm sure will do in the future. But he's still someway off doing i so utterly spectacularly as some of his peers. Or Klinsmann