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    Post by Torrente Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:29 pm

    Jaime wrote:
    Torrente wrote:Also, predictably very little noise has been made about Arbeloa's horror show against Pato. If that had been Marcelo we would have had a mountain of editorials about how Marcelo can't defend. But last night Pato went past Arbeloa as much as he felt like it, and Arbeloa was very lucky that none of those occasions resulted in a goal.

    The only time he was badly beaten was on the goal that was disallowed. Anyone can get beat in a 1 v 1 situation against a good player like Pato but I don't recall Pato ever being completely unmarked as he was in the first game against Milan. And this is Marcelo's biggest flaw. In 1 v 1 defending he does ok but he cannot man mark to save his life.

    But getting dribbled so easily by a talented player is just as bad as being bad at man-marking IMO. This is basically why Marcelo got slaughtered after the Sevilla game since Navas went passed him time and time again.

    And there were certainly more times than the Pato goal when Arbeloa was skinned. I remember a counter-attack where Seedorf gave a pass to Pato in the first half and he dribbled Arbeloa very easily without even being on the run (I think Pepe ended up blocking Pato's pass to the penalty spot), as well as 1 or 2 more occasions in the second half where Albiol had to make a last-ditch tackle to cover for him. So basically, Pato raped Arbeloa a hell of a lot worse than he did Marcelo in the Bernabeu, yet somehow Marcelo gets slaughtered after the first game while no criticism went Arbeloa's way this time.

    I'm not saying Arbeloa is a bad defender, just wanted to point out a lot of the hypocrisy in the press, where not only was Arbeloa not criticized, but he was actually praised for his performance. Ironically, I think only Goal.com was the only news source I saw that gave Arbeloa a low rating for his performance.
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    Post by Jaime Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:35 pm

    Marcelo got slaughtered after the Sevilla match because Navas beat him every time and he completely left Navas unmarked on the first goal by the little dwarf.

    I do remember the Seedorf counter. Arbeloa was caught out, no doubt. I don't remember a single dangerous opportunity for Pato in the entire second half although I could be mistaking.

    Anyhow, certainly not a raping imo. At best an arsehole tickling.
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    Post by Cristiano Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:50 pm

    Jaime wrote:Marcelo got slaughtered after the Sevilla match because Navas beat him every time and he completely left Navas unmarked on the first goal by the little dwarf.

    I do remember the Seedorf counter. Arbeloa was caught out, no doubt. I don't remember a single dangerous opportunity for Pato in the entire second half although I could be mistaking.

    Anyhow, certainly not a raping imo. At best an arsehole tickling.

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    Post by Torrente Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:07 pm

    Agreed, though Arbeloa was a bit lucky with the goal being disallowed or he would have certainly qualified for a "spanking".
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    Post by Torrente Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:15 pm

    [quote="Cristiano"]
    Jaime wrote:Marcelo got slaughtered after the Sevilla match because Navas beat him every time and he completely left Navas unmarked on the first goal by the little dwarf.

    I do remember the Seedorf counter. Arbeloa was caught out, no doubt. I don't remember a single dangerous opportunity for Pato in the entire second half although I could be mistaking.

    Anyhow, certainly not a raping imo. At best an arsehole tickling.

    Check out the second-last page of the CL group thread. As a form of protest over the over-use of the word "rape" for games, we came up with a rape scale so avoid over-using the term. The scale is:

    -Testicle-fondling
    -Ass-tickling
    -Spanking
    -Rape


    There was some discussion over whether there should be a 5th category called getting "Laudruped", but I don't think that sounds scary enough. I would advocate for a "Guti horror show" as the last category. This would involve some of the most disgusting things imaginable done to a person, things much too graphic to even attempt to picture them. I would not want to see a game where a player suffers a Guti horror show that's for sure.
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    Post by Jaime Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:49 pm

    [quote="Torrente"]
    Cristiano wrote:
    Jaime wrote:Marcelo got slaughtered after the Sevilla match because Navas beat him every time and he completely left Navas unmarked on the first goal by the little dwarf.

    I do remember the Seedorf counter. Arbeloa was caught out, no doubt. I don't remember a single dangerous opportunity for Pato in the entire second half although I could be mistaking.

    Anyhow, certainly not a raping imo. At best an arsehole tickling.

    Check out the second-last page of the CL group thread. As a form of protest over the over-use of the word "rape" for games, we came up with a rape scale so avoid over-using the term. The scale is:

    -Testicle-fondling
    -Ass-tickling
    -Spanking
    -Rape


    There was some discussion over whether there should be a 5th category called getting "Laudruped", but I don't think that sounds scary enough. I would advocate for a "Guti horror show" as the last category. This would involve some of the most disgusting things imaginable done to a person, things much too graphic to even attempt to picture them. I would not want to see a game where a player suffers a Guti horror show that's for sure.

    "Laudruped" also has no sexual undertones. Guti horrow show is on the right track...but there has got to be clever way to pun it or something.
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    Post by Cristiano Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:59 pm

    lol!

    I've just read it.


    On another note Pellegrini should just cancell training for tomorow and just show them this Barca V Rubin Kazan match. So they can see what good defending looks like.
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    Post by Torrente Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:36 pm

    We will not jump into a decision, so the 5th category is still open for discussion. This is too important to just rush into ok
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    Post by Super Progress Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:50 am

    Jaime wrote:Marcelo got slaughtered after the Sevilla match because Navas beat him every time and he completely left Navas unmarked on the first goal by the little dwarf.

    I do remember the Seedorf counter. Arbeloa was caught out, no doubt. I don't remember a single dangerous opportunity for Pato in the entire second half although I could be mistaking.

    Anyhow, certainly not a raping imo. At best an arsehole tickling.
    Me and my friend paid special attention to Arbeloa and we were impressed. Pato is a world class talent so like you said he can get past anybody with a little space. He got past Arbeloa once in a one on one. In terms of man marking he spanked Pato, with at times some dirty tricks but that is part of defending at times. If you notice Seedorf and Ambrosini tried to get the ball to Pato many times in the build up and many times because of his good marking they delayed the pass and Pato got in a worse position to get it or they would just pass sideways or something. So Arbeloa had a general good game imo except that one dribble(acceptable) and getting caught out of position one time.

    Ramos' performance is more impressive. He looked like the Ramos he used to be. He showed that he can certainly defend well unlike what that stupid commentators say when they throw that cliche. He took care of Dinho and Zambrotta because unlike Arbeloa he didn't have anybody infront of him coming back to help. If Ramos can defend that well we can keep our offensive players further up the field like we used with Figo/Zidane chilling. His contration has been bad in the last season but last night he was pretty sharp and not bad going forward either allthough he has to improve his crossing but that is only partly his fault since A) Benzema/Higuain had bad movement in the box B) He rarely got the ball in a good crossing position and the one time he did Higuain and Benzema were horrible placed.

    Boy that was a long post about fullbacks. Very Happy

    P.S. Pato got Laudruped. afro
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    Post by Jaime Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:36 am

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    Yikes
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    Post by Torrente Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:02 pm

    Somebody has to pay a little visit to that Pepe el brujo. That son of a bitch is ruining our season Evil or Very Mad
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    Post by Torrente Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:42 pm

    Latest update is that Ronaldo does not have to be operated, so he will recover just on time for the clasico, and thankfully he won't have to play in Portugal's qualifiers. Overall that might just be a better deal for us than have him recover to some extent for the Portugal qualifiers only for him to get injured again.

    I have to admit that I miss Polaroid Crying or Very sad
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    Post by Jaime Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:54 pm

    Torrente wrote:Latest update is that Ronaldo does not have to be operated, so he will recover just on time for the clasico, and thankfully he won't have to play in Portugal's qualifiers. Overall that might just be a better deal for us than have him recover to some extent for the Portugal qualifiers only for him to get injured again.

    I have to admit that I miss Polaroid Crying or Very sad

    No

    http://www.marca.com/2009/11/05/futbol/equipos/real_madrid/1257436925.html
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    Post by TM Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:01 pm

    Looks like that vodoo guy wasnt joking Sad
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    Post by Cristiano Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:01 pm

    Torrente wrote:Latest update is that Ronaldo does not have to be operated, so he will recover just on time for the clasico, and thankfully he won't have to play in Portugal's qualifiers. Overall that might just be a better deal for us than have him recover to some extent for the Portugal qualifiers only for him to get injured again.

    I have to admit that I miss Polaroid Crying or Very sad

    Especially in that first half against Milan, he would have had a field day. I couldn't help but think that during that first half.
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    Post by Super Progress Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:02 pm

    Torrente wrote:Latest update is that Ronaldo does not have to be operated, so he will recover just on time for the clasico, and thankfully he won't have to play in Portugal's qualifiers. Overall that might just be a better deal for us than have him recover to some extent for the Portugal qualifiers only for him to get injured again.

    I have to admit that I miss Polaroid Crying or Very sad
    Actually I don't miss Polaroid after the Milan game. However in the games before I was hoping he would be back soon. However now I would like to see the formation from against Milan some times and maybe a tweak here and there.
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    Post by Torrente Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:54 pm

    Cristiano wrote:
    Torrente wrote:Latest update is that Ronaldo does not have to be operated, so he will recover just on time for the clasico, and thankfully he won't have to play in Portugal's qualifiers. Overall that might just be a better deal for us than have him recover to some extent for the Portugal qualifiers only for him to get injured again.

    I have to admit that I miss Polaroid Crying or Very sad

    Especially in that first half against Milan, he would have had a field day. I couldn't help but think that during that first half.

    I also thought about what it would have been like if we had Robben. The cornholing he would have given Zambrota would have been unhuman. Not to mention if BOTH players had been in the field No

    @SH

    Polaroid could have certainly played instead of Marcelo. Even better, I think a lineup with only one of Higuain or Benzema, without Marcelo (or with Marcelo as LB) and with both Polaroid and Granero would be truly devastating.
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    Post by Jaime Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:56 pm

    Torrente wrote:
    Cristiano wrote:
    Torrente wrote:Latest update is that Ronaldo does not have to be operated, so he will recover just on time for the clasico, and thankfully he won't have to play in Portugal's qualifiers. Overall that might just be a better deal for us than have him recover to some extent for the Portugal qualifiers only for him to get injured again.

    I have to admit that I miss Polaroid Crying or Very sad

    Especially in that first half against Milan, he would have had a field day. I couldn't help but think that during that first half.

    I also thought about what it would have been like if we had Robben. The cornholing he would have given Zambrota would have been unhuman. Not to mention if BOTH players had been in the field No

    @SH

    Polaroid could have certainly played instead of Marcelo. Even better, I think a lineup with only one of Higuain or Benzema, without Marcelo (or with Marcelo as LB) and with both Polaroid and Granero would be truly devastating.

    ok
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    Post by Torrente Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:00 pm

    La noche oscura de Raul

    Manuel Pellegrini repitió alineación por primera vez en la temporada. Un detalle insignificante si no fuese porque en esa formación no estaba Raúl. El capitán, en la «panchina», como dicen los italianos. En un partido grande, el «siete» no entraba en los planes iniciales del entrenador. Un secreto que dejó de serlo en el entrenamiento previo al enfrentamiento.

    Ahí se vio a un Raúl taciturno. Más serio de lo normal. Sabía lo que le esperaba. Y él no tiene dobleces. Cuando está enojado lo saben hasta en el país vecino. En la sesión de trabajo se ejercitó en la banda izquierda, mientras los puestos de delanteros estaban reservados para Higuaín o Benzemá. Se retiró del campo sin apenas estirar y sabiendo que no estaría en el campo inicialmente.

    Pellegrini se decantaba por la velocidad en detrimento de la experiencia. Ante este tipo de resoluciones, Raúl sigue sin encontrar un analgésico que borre el gesto confuso que desprende su rostro. Llegó al estadio con cara de pocos amigos. Refugiado en su ipod, fue el primero en descender el autobús para alcanzar el vestuario. No tenía prisa, pero no quiso fracturar su parafernalia habitual.

    Se refugió en la caseta y no quiso saber nada de la espectacular luna que vigilaba San Siro. No apareció en el calentamiento y su perfil se hizo visible cuando los suplentes tomaron asiento en el banquillo. Gesto adusto. Cara de pocos amigos. Como en San Petesburgo, cuando Bernd Schuster le dejó en el banquillo en lugar de Higuaín.

    http://www.abc.es/20091104/deportes-futbol/oscura-noche-raul-20091104.html


    No

    Let's hope this isn't Raul's first warning for Pellegrini for what's to come. I don't mind that he would look annoyed by not playing (even though one could argue that since he's captain he should put up a brave face), but barely stretching in the warmups or not showing up for them is a bad sign. Let's hope the story is exaggerated, as it can always be the case with Spanish sources.
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    Post by Jaime Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:05 pm

    Despicable behaviour if true. I would punish him the same as Guti. It is disrespectful to the manager and his teammates.
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    Post by Super Progress Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:12 pm

    Torrente wrote:
    Cristiano wrote:
    Torrente wrote:Latest update is that Ronaldo does not have to be operated, so he will recover just on time for the clasico, and thankfully he won't have to play in Portugal's qualifiers. Overall that might just be a better deal for us than have him recover to some extent for the Portugal qualifiers only for him to get injured again.

    I have to admit that I miss Polaroid Crying or Very sad

    Especially in that first half against Milan, he would have had a field day. I couldn't help but think that during that first half.

    I also thought about what it would have been like if we had Robben. The cornholing he would have given Zambrota would have been unhuman. Not to mention if BOTH players had been in the field No


    @SH

    Polaroid could have certainly played instead of Marcelo. Even better, I think a lineup with only one of Higuain or Benzema, without Marcelo (or with Marcelo as LB) and with both Polaroid and Granero would be truly devastating.
    The reason I want Marcelo to play is that Ronaldo doesn't keep width enough and considering that our interplay isn't all that and probably will never be on the level of say Barca when you consider that Ronaldo-Kaka aren't the most creative duo and more dangerous on the counter. We could also switch Ronaldo to the right so he can also cross with his right at times and then have Granero on the left.

    Benzema and Higuain have to take some lessons in box play before we play them against big team because we simply didn't create enough in the box when you consider how much interplay we had outside it.

    Against Atletico I suspect Quique will go more defensive then we are used to seeing Atletico when they play at home. If so then I hope Granero plays instead of Benzema/Higuain.
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    Post by Dick Grayson Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:35 pm

    I got my RM CR9 shirt today!

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    Post by TM Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:36 pm

    Just the one? Grr
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    Post by Dick Grayson Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:37 pm

    TM wrote:Just the one? Grr

    I bet you havent go one!!!
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    Post by TM Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:21 pm

    Actually I have three: Home, Away and Alternative Kit. All with CR69 on the back ok Cool
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    Post by MightyBarca Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:32 am

    TM wrote:Actually I have three: Home, Away and Alternative Kit. All with CR69 on the back ok Cool

    Should have atleast put kaka on one and benzema on another.
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    Post by Jaime Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:10 am

    Raúl se ve suplente en el derbi

    Raúl no las tiene todas consigo. Pese a haber rotado en los dos últimos partidos, el capitán del Real Madrid no se ve en el once titular en el derbi del sábado en el Calderón. "En los dos últimos partidos el equipo ha jugado bien y supongo que seguiran los mismos once", dijo en rueda de prensa.

    "No sé si voy a jugar el derbi -continuó Raúl-. Ya he dicho que el equipo estuvo bien ante Getafe y Milan y supongo que no habrá cambios. Pero no me considero incompatible con ningún futbolista del mundo".

    Sobre el tema de su suplencia y las palabras de Marcelo en las que aseguraba que "Raúl debe entenderlo", el capitán fue tajante: "No tengo que entender nada. Lo que tengo que hacer es trabajar para ayudar al equipo cuando sea necesario. Pero por ahora no puedo quejarme de cómo me va la temporada".

    Preguntado sobre si es bueno que haya un equipo tipo, Raúl comentó que "ésa es una pregunta para el entrenador. En una temporada tan larga es difícil mantener un mismo equipo, pero hay momentos en los que se puede repetir. Son diez meses y hay tiempo para todo.

    Raúl, experto en derbis -11 goles frente al Atlético- analizó el de este sábado: "Siempre son partidos complicados, sobre todo en el Calderón. El Atlético ha mejorado mucho en los últimos partidos. Contra el Chelsea merecieron ganar y su nivel de confianza es más alto ahora a pesar de haberse quedado fuera de la Champions. Sabemos que es un partido muy grande y eso nos sirve de motivación".

    El delantero blanco expresó sus deseos de pronta recuperación a su compañero Cristiano Ronaldo: "Ahora lo que tiene que tener es tranquilidad, paciencia y calma para recuperarse totalmente. Espero que pronto esté bien".

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    Post by Dick Grayson Fri Nov 06, 2009 7:35 am

    TM wrote:Actually I have three: Home, Away and Alternative Kit. All with CR69 on the back ok Cool

    YOU hated him so much - so why with CR on ALL 3 eh? Gay.
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    Post by TheCrazy58 Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:41 am

    For what it's worth, Balague said on Revista de la Liga that Pellegrini has Perez's blessing to kick Raul and Guti out.
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    Post by Jaime Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:03 pm

    TheCrazy58 wrote:For what it's worth, Balague said on Revista de la Liga that Pellegrini has Perez's blessing to kick Raul and Guti out.

    Well, it's not a stunning revelation of any kind. It's no secret that Florentino and Raul don't have a good relationship, not after Florentino systematically ran out all of Raul's best friends in the team (Redondo, Hierro, Morientes...) during his first stint as president. It will be interesting to see how the situation develops because I don't see it as a real possibility to simply marginalise the two. If they are not playing, eventually they will have to leave the club.

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