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Man, that was an ugly game.
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Six wrote:Did you actually see the game Puro?
Algeria were lucky to go into half time with 10 men. Only the way Egypt's penalty was taken was dodgy. Otherwise its 3 of the most blatant red cards you will ever see.
Gaëtan Dugas wrote:the referee didn't have a good game, the first yellow (that lead to the red) was harsh to say the least. A better ref would have either given it, or given a final warning for the penalty foul.
Agreed that the first yellow to Hashish was harsh, but the penalty decision was correct IMO. And I think the Egypt striker was the last man and through on goal, so it could have been a direct red anyway.
Penalty was definitely dodgy, ref shouldn't have allowed it. All the other reds were correct decisions.
Algeria remind me of an African version of Greece. Two lines of 4 behind the ball, sitting deep and staying organised. Then they have some good height, strength, and pace to score the odd goal that gets them their results. Won't be easy for England in the World Cup...they'll have to move the ball about quickly and have their creative players (Rooney, Joe Cole) in form.
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Super Solari wrote:I have already explained this just before the cup started in case anybody would bring it up which people rarely do to be fair. The reasons is first that it is a tradition but more importantly is that it helps develop the infrastructure of the hosting nations and with Africa being as poor as it is they need that much more. In these times it is even more needed because with ACN getting more attention then previously and therefore more money through sponsors there is more money and therefore even better chances of developing infrastructure.kas wrote:Was having the old "should the African Cup be held in Jan, during the club season" debate again yesterday, and someone actually made a very good point - I've heard this argument before, but am surprised why it doesn't come up more often:
Why the f@ck is the African Cup held every 2 years?
The World Cup is every 4 years. The Euros are every 4 years. The Copa America is now also every 4 years. So why on earth do the Africans need to play every 2 years?
More money is the only factor that I can think of. Surely if it was brought in line with other int'l tournaments, European clubs wouldn't mind so much even if it was in Jan/Feb, as they would only lose their players once in 4 years.
What's the point of building all these stadiums if they can't put a proper fucking playing surface on it. Every game in this tournament has been ruined by the ball bobbling all over the place.
Aristoskank- Number of posts : 9733
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kas wrote:Every game in this tournament has been ruined by the ball bobbling all over the place.
You've got to be kidding. This tournament has been fantastic, far more exciting than the last World Cup or Euros. The pitches have been a bit dodgy but the games have hardly been 'ruined' because of it.
When England, Spain, Germany, France, Italy, Greece, Portugal, Belgium, Holland, Denmark and the rest produce a tournament with half the entertainment that the Cup of Nations produces then they may have a right to complain. Until then it's just racism, continental prejudice and self-interest talking.
I haven't seen as gripping a game as last night's in years of European international football. I couldn't give a fuck about an uneven playing surface. Not every game has to be about Messi trying to dribble the ball in from 60 yards.
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Are you being sarcastic?
The tournament has had some exciting games, but the overall quality has been poor. If I had a penny for every occasion when a team had a great counter attack going, only for a player to make an absolute mess of the final pass...
Maybe it's just because I fell for the hype about many of these African teams and had overly high expectations of them.
And okay, "ruined" is probably an exaggeration, but the pitches are definitely not up to standard for a top international event.
The other thing that I noticed and didn't like was how often teams that took the lead in a game, slowed down the pace and tried to hang on till the end, instead of continuing to play their natural game.
Last night's game was definitely entertaining, but that's to be expected in Africa's version of Germany-Holland. I don't see what relevance the cheap Messi dig has either
The tournament has had some exciting games, but the overall quality has been poor. If I had a penny for every occasion when a team had a great counter attack going, only for a player to make an absolute mess of the final pass...
Maybe it's just because I fell for the hype about many of these African teams and had overly high expectations of them.
And okay, "ruined" is probably an exaggeration, but the pitches are definitely not up to standard for a top international event.
The other thing that I noticed and didn't like was how often teams that took the lead in a game, slowed down the pace and tried to hang on till the end, instead of continuing to play their natural game.
Last night's game was definitely entertaining, but that's to be expected in Africa's version of Germany-Holland. I don't see what relevance the cheap Messi dig has either
Aristoskank- Number of posts : 9733
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kas wrote:Are you being sarcastic?
No.
The tournament has had some exciting games, but the overall quality has been poor.
I'm talking about entertainment, not 'quality'.
If I had a penny for every occasion when a team had a great counter attack going, only for a player to make an absolute mess of the final pass...
Then you'd have a few pennies. Counterattacks get fucked up all the time, in every tournament. Try again.
Maybe it's just because I fell for the hype about many of these African teams and had overly high expectations of them.
In which case that's your fault.
And okay, "ruined" is probably an exaggeration, but the pitches are definitely not up to standard for a top international event.
'Ruined' is definitely an exaggeration. Ask yourself what motivated it.
The other thing that I noticed and didn't like was how often teams that took the lead in a game, slowed down the pace and tried to hang on till the end, instead of continuing to play their natural game.
Wow, teams playing international games trying to protect a lead. You never see that in the Euros. It's not like Greece won the Euros in 2004 using the exact same tactic.
Last night's game was definitely entertaining, but that's to be expected in Africa's version of Germany-Holland. I don't see what relevance the cheap Messi dig has either
The opening game of the tournament was stunning. The first round of games saw upsets in virtually every match. Cameroon-Zambia was incredible to watch, Ivory Coast-Algeria likewise.
I would much rather watch this tournament than watch Holland or England beat Slovakia 2-0 thanks to a free kick that shouldn't have been given and a centreback heading in a corner and nothing else happening in the whole game. Or watching Messi dribble constantly so that the one time it comes off the commentator can wet himself about how classy world quality classness Messi is.
African football is the future of the game, and obviously has the most potential for improvement. Virtually all the best club sides in the world have an African player starring for them, yet African FAs are for the most part utterly hopeless, and CAF seem to still be living in the 19th century. Get that sorted and instead of being the lowly, easily disparaged tournament that is seen as a disruption to the all important yet incredibly predictable European calendar the Cup of Nations could become the world's premier international tournament.
Think about it, and have a great day.
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Did you watch Nigeria v Zambia? if you did please shut the fuck up.
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L r dd wrote:Did you watch Nigeria v Zambia? if you did please shut the fuck up.
Did you watch Man Utd vs. Leeds?
If you did then shove it up your arse.
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I don't think it is mainly stadiums that get built as a result of these cups just like Euro's/WC's don't just produce stadiums. I agree that the playing surface isn't that great and it was the same case in the last but I don't know why this is the case to be honest. I can only imagine how much better it would be if they could improve this but that didn't stop the cup from being very entertaining last time around.kas wrote:Super Solari wrote:I have already explained this just before the cup started in case anybody would bring it up which people rarely do to be fair. The reasons is first that it is a tradition but more importantly is that it helps develop the infrastructure of the hosting nations and with Africa being as poor as it is they need that much more. In these times it is even more needed because with ACN getting more attention then previously and therefore more money through sponsors there is more money and therefore even better chances of developing infrastructure.kas wrote:Was having the old "should the African Cup be held in Jan, during the club season" debate again yesterday, and someone actually made a very good point - I've heard this argument before, but am surprised why it doesn't come up more often:
Why the f@ck is the African Cup held every 2 years?
The World Cup is every 4 years. The Euros are every 4 years. The Copa America is now also every 4 years. So why on earth do the Africans need to play every 2 years?
More money is the only factor that I can think of. Surely if it was brought in line with other int'l tournaments, European clubs wouldn't mind so much even if it was in Jan/Feb, as they would only lose their players once in 4 years.
What's the point of building all these stadiums if they can't put a proper fucking playing surface on it. Every game in this tournament has been ruined by the ball bobbling all over the place.
So I can't see why they should reschedule the cup allthough sadly that is what will happen by 2016 according to Blatter. So now it will be played in the summer which will exclude several west/central african countries. Thanks Europe.
Don't think this cup has been as entertaining as the one they had in Ghana in 2008 but instead teams have been better organised which will only help teams in the future. If there is one lesson that is to be learned from this edition it is that merely having the best players no longer produces that good results.
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I don't think it will be moved to the summer...what I did read was they may change it so that it's still bi-annual, but in odd years so that it doesn't clash with the World Cup. That makes sense.
The only problem is the way they're implementing it: 2012 will remain in place, but instead of postponing 2014 to 2015, they're bringing it forward to 2013
The only problem is the way they're implementing it: 2012 will remain in place, but instead of postponing 2014 to 2015, they're bringing it forward to 2013
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Bubbles wrote:kas wrote:Are you being sarcastic?
No.
The tournament has had some exciting games, but the overall quality has been poor.
I'm talking about entertainment, not 'quality'.
If I had a penny for every occasion when a team had a great counter attack going, only for a player to make an absolute mess of the final pass...
Then you'd have a few pennies. Counterattacks get fucked up all the time, in every tournament. Try again.
Maybe it's just because I fell for the hype about many of these African teams and had overly high expectations of them.
In which case that's your fault.
And okay, "ruined" is probably an exaggeration, but the pitches are definitely not up to standard for a top international event.
'Ruined' is definitely an exaggeration. Ask yourself what motivated it.
The other thing that I noticed and didn't like was how often teams that took the lead in a game, slowed down the pace and tried to hang on till the end, instead of continuing to play their natural game.
Wow, teams playing international games trying to protect a lead. You never see that in the Euros. It's not like Greece won the Euros in 2004 using the exact same tactic.
Last night's game was definitely entertaining, but that's to be expected in Africa's version of Germany-Holland. I don't see what relevance the cheap Messi dig has either
The opening game of the tournament was stunning. The first round of games saw upsets in virtually every match. Cameroon-Zambia was incredible to watch, Ivory Coast-Algeria likewise.
I would much rather watch this tournament than watch Holland or England beat Slovakia 2-0 thanks to a free kick that shouldn't have been given and a centreback heading in a corner and nothing else happening in the whole game. Or watching Messi dribble constantly so that the one time it comes off the commentator can wet himself about how classy world quality classness Messi is.
African football is the future of the game, and obviously has the most potential for improvement. Virtually all the best club sides in the world have an African player starring for them, yet African FAs are for the most part utterly hopeless, and CAF seem to still be living in the 19th century. Get that sorted and instead of being the lowly, easily disparaged tournament that is seen as a disruption to the all important yet incredibly predictable European calendar the Cup of Nations could become the world's premier international tournament.
Think about it, and have a great day.
Ohh shut the fuck up you whinging little bitch. Most of the fucking games i watched were shit and i mean shit you c**t. And btw messi's the best player in the world live with it!!!!
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Well Blatter wants it to be moved by 2016. Hopefully he won't be succesful but when you have the FIFA president behind it then it wouldn't surprise me at all.kas wrote:I don't think it will be moved to the summer...what I did read was they may change it so that it's still bi-annual, but in odd years so that it doesn't clash with the World Cup. That makes sense.
The only problem is the way they're implementing it: 2012 will remain in place, but instead of postponing 2014 to 2015, they're bringing it forward to 2013
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Super Solari wrote:Well Blatter wants it to be moved by 2016. Hopefully he won't be succesful but when you have the FIFA president behind it then it wouldn't surprise me at all.kas wrote:I don't think it will be moved to the summer...what I did read was they may change it so that it's still bi-annual, but in odd years so that it doesn't clash with the World Cup. That makes sense.
The only problem is the way they're implementing it: 2012 will remain in place, but instead of postponing 2014 to 2015, they're bringing it forward to 2013
I hope he is. Lets face it 90% of the games have 70% empty stadiums, it doesn't mean that much to many of the countries for one reason or another. Lots of players fake injuries or oither stuff to miss it. It's a bit of a mess in world cup year especially but even overall i think definitely one every 3-4 years restores some logic to the tournament.
I really liked the last few african nations but this one has been shite.
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Please explain this part Lrd.L r dd wrote:Super Solari wrote:Well Blatter wants it to be moved by 2016. Hopefully he won't be succesful but when you have the FIFA president behind it then it wouldn't surprise me at all.kas wrote:I don't think it will be moved to the summer...what I did read was they may change it so that it's still bi-annual, but in odd years so that it doesn't clash with the World Cup. That makes sense.
The only problem is the way they're implementing it: 2012 will remain in place, but instead of postponing 2014 to 2015, they're bringing it forward to 2013
I hope he is. Lets face it 90% of the games have 70% empty stadiums, it doesn't mean that much to many of the countries for one reason or another. Lots of players fake injuries or oither stuff to miss it. It's a bit of a mess in world cup year especially but even overall i think definitely one every 3-4 years restores some logic to the tournament.
I really liked the last few african nations but this one has been shite.
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kas wrote:Super Solari wrote:I have already explained this just before the cup started in case anybody would bring it up which people rarely do to be fair. The reasons is first that it is a tradition but more importantly is that it helps develop the infrastructure of the hosting nations and with Africa being as poor as it is they need that much more. In these times it is even more needed because with ACN getting more attention then previously and therefore more money through sponsors there is more money and therefore even better chances of developing infrastructure.kas wrote:Was having the old "should the African Cup be held in Jan, during the club season" debate again yesterday, and someone actually made a very good point - I've heard this argument before, but am surprised why it doesn't come up more often:
Why the f@ck is the African Cup held every 2 years?
The World Cup is every 4 years. The Euros are every 4 years. The Copa America is now also every 4 years. So why on earth do the Africans need to play every 2 years?
More money is the only factor that I can think of. Surely if it was brought in line with other int'l tournaments, European clubs wouldn't mind so much even if it was in Jan/Feb, as they would only lose their players once in 4 years.
What's the point of building all these stadiums if they can't put a proper fucking playing surface on it. Every game in this tournament has been ruined by the ball bobbling all over the place.
So all they should either build stadia with perfect surfaces or none at all?
The pitches are playable, i have seen PL pitches in worse state.
Developing poor infrastructure is not the only reason why the tournament is held every 2 years though, other reasons include:
- It's the best avenue to showcase African talents. There are hardly any scouts in most African countries and the African CL is a no nothing competition that hardly gets any coverage outside the continent. For most talents, it's the best place for them to be spotted by European scouts.
- To help generate income for CAF - the poorest football organistation in the world.
- It's one of the few major events Africans look forward to. This competetion is huge on the continent! Do u know how much joy it brings to people over there? To make people wait every 4 years just because it doesn't suit Europeans would be a joke.
By the way, too much fussed is made about African players missing matches for their clubs because of the tournamnet, but what about South Americans who play on thursdays and fly back to their clubs on Friday(a day before most matches are played) thereby not allowing them enough time to recover for their clubs matches? Do u know how many matches Carlos Vela for example misses for us because of international commitments? do u think they are any fewer over 2 years than say Eboue misses during that same period?
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The Professor wrote:kas wrote:Super Solari wrote:I have already explained this just before the cup started in case anybody would bring it up which people rarely do to be fair. The reasons is first that it is a tradition but more importantly is that it helps develop the infrastructure of the hosting nations and with Africa being as poor as it is they need that much more. In these times it is even more needed because with ACN getting more attention then previously and therefore more money through sponsors there is more money and therefore even better chances of developing infrastructure.kas wrote:Was having the old "should the African Cup be held in Jan, during the club season" debate again yesterday, and someone actually made a very good point - I've heard this argument before, but am surprised why it doesn't come up more often:
Why the f@ck is the African Cup held every 2 years?
The World Cup is every 4 years. The Euros are every 4 years. The Copa America is now also every 4 years. So why on earth do the Africans need to play every 2 years?
More money is the only factor that I can think of. Surely if it was brought in line with other int'l tournaments, European clubs wouldn't mind so much even if it was in Jan/Feb, as they would only lose their players once in 4 years.
What's the point of building all these stadiums if they can't put a proper fucking playing surface on it. Every game in this tournament has been ruined by the ball bobbling all over the place.
So all they should either build stadia with perfect surfaces or none at all?
The pitches are playable, i have seen PL pitches in worse state.
Developing poor infrastructure is not the only reason why the tournament is held every 2 years though, other reasons include:
- It's the best avenue to showcase African talents. There are hardly any scouts in most African countries and the African CL is a no nothing competition that hardly gets any coverage outside the continent. For most talents, it's the best place for them to be spotted by European scouts.
- To help generate income for CAF - the poorest football organistation in the world.
- It's one of the few major events Africans look forward to. This competetion is huge on the continent! Do u know how much joy it brings to people over there? To make people wait every 4 years just because it doesn't suit Europeans would be a joke.
By the way, too much fussed is made about African players missing matches for their clubs because of the tournamnet, but what about South Americans who play on thursdays and fly back to their clubs on Friday(a day before most matches are played) thereby not allowing them enough time to recover for their clubs matches? Do u know how many matches Carlos Vela for example misses for us because of international commitments? do u think they are any fewer over 2 years than say Eboue misses during that same period?
Well said Prof.
Allthough I do think the standards have to be raised with regards to the pitches. But I agree that it is laughable if they have to choose between bad pitches or no pitches at all. Though not sure if this is really what Kas was saying.
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Bubbles wrote:kas wrote:Are you being sarcastic?
No.
The tournament has had some exciting games, but the overall quality has been poor.
I'm talking about entertainment, not 'quality'.
You'd love Avatar
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Just want to comment on the Nigeria v Zambia game cos i had money on Nigeria to win in 90 mins and was to pissed at it to comment at the time.
Nigeria will get killed in the world cup. This team plays at 1mph has a dreadful coach and absolutely no midfield. Sometimes the players didn't recieve a pass due to waiting for it to come actually moving after passing it forward does not exist in their minds. Winning a free kick is no good because Mikel takes them all and he's useless at everything, just hits it in the air with no pace and makes it clear where he's going to hit it, so the other team can be prepared. Idiotic team. I hoped Zambia would win with 5 minutes left.
Also doesn't it show how foolish things in Africa can be, banning Togo for the next 2 african nations? Who the hell made that decision
Nigeria will get killed in the world cup. This team plays at 1mph has a dreadful coach and absolutely no midfield. Sometimes the players didn't recieve a pass due to waiting for it to come actually moving after passing it forward does not exist in their minds. Winning a free kick is no good because Mikel takes them all and he's useless at everything, just hits it in the air with no pace and makes it clear where he's going to hit it, so the other team can be prepared. Idiotic team. I hoped Zambia would win with 5 minutes left.
Also doesn't it show how foolish things in Africa can be, banning Togo for the next 2 african nations? Who the hell made that decision
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Agree with some of that.
We definitely needed to change the formation. Ironically, we played our best football in the semi-final and got knocked out.
We should definitely go two upront from now on. We're not disciplined enough in a 4-3-3 and create nowhere near enough chances, all posession with no cutting edge.
This should be the team from now on:
-------------------Enyeama-------------
Yussuf--------Nwaneri--------Yobo---------Taiwo
Odemwingie--------Mikel-----Etuhu-------Obasi
------------------Uche---------Martins
We definitely needed to change the formation. Ironically, we played our best football in the semi-final and got knocked out.
We should definitely go two upront from now on. We're not disciplined enough in a 4-3-3 and create nowhere near enough chances, all posession with no cutting edge.
This should be the team from now on:
-------------------Enyeama-------------
Yussuf--------Nwaneri--------Yobo---------Taiwo
Odemwingie--------Mikel-----Etuhu-------Obasi
------------------Uche---------Martins
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You were slightly better because you went behind so early, so had to somewhat abandon that negative approach and play with just a little bit of urgency. Odemwingie isnt good enough on the right for me. I'd consider trying to turn Yakubu into an AM.
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110% wrote:Bubbles wrote:kas wrote:Are you being sarcastic?
No.
The tournament has had some exciting games, but the overall quality has been poor.
I'm talking about entertainment, not 'quality'.
You'd love Avatar
If by that you mean I'd prefer to watch Avatar than another shit football match then you're right. However, I'd much rather watch the Egypt-Algeria game all over again, knowing what happened, than watch Avatar.
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L r dd wrote:You were slightly better because you went behind so early, so had to somewhat abandon that negative approach and play with just a little bit of urgency. Odemwingie isnt good enough on the right for me. I'd consider trying to turn Yakubu into an AM.
No, we were dominating from the offset. the goal came against the run of play. A fully-fit Martins would have taken all his chances, but overrall we didn't deserve to progress in the tournamant.
Odemwingie is one of our best players. The only one who is direct, and insists on upping the tempo.
Yakubu into an AM
He is immobile as it is, making him the vocal point of our atack would be the worst move of the century. Obinna, Obasi, Odemwingie, Uche and Martins are all much better.
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Whenever i seen him he just seems like an idiot who runs. He wouldn't be bad up top but on the right a decent LB can shut him out easy. I just want Mikel out of the way so Yakubu although slow is one with brains and would not waste every good break like Mikel does.
Martins was decent but you can never rely on him to bury the chances, and also i think playing with a fellow striker would benefit him a lil more for sure. The sub v Zambia to take Yakubu off for Martins was just disgraceful, that manager couldn't just change the formation one little bit. I'd like to see
---------Etuhu---Mikel---Someone
--------------Yakubu-------
-------Odemwingie----Martins
Ideally Mikel dropped but it seems he gets a place due to being a Chelsea player.
Martins was decent but you can never rely on him to bury the chances, and also i think playing with a fellow striker would benefit him a lil more for sure. The sub v Zambia to take Yakubu off for Martins was just disgraceful, that manager couldn't just change the formation one little bit. I'd like to see
---------Etuhu---Mikel---Someone
--------------Yakubu-------
-------Odemwingie----Martins
Ideally Mikel dropped but it seems he gets a place due to being a Chelsea player.
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4-3-1-2 could work since we are quite adept in posession, but that shouldn't be a suprise since our midfield rivals most in Africa.
I haven't been a fan of Mikel but as you hav said his status will mean he's never dropped. Moving him further back may be a viable option.
If we are to have a player in the AM role it would need to be one of Obinna, Obasi or Uche. They are much more mobile, quicker and have better vision than the Yak.
The Yak should only be used in emergency situations like great-grandfather Kanu
I haven't been a fan of Mikel but as you hav said his status will mean he's never dropped. Moving him further back may be a viable option.
If we are to have a player in the AM role it would need to be one of Obinna, Obasi or Uche. They are much more mobile, quicker and have better vision than the Yak.
The Yak should only be used in emergency situations like great-grandfather Kanu
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Re: African Cup of Nations
i was listen WF phone in, the other day and tim asked the African correspondent, something that i was wondering myself.
which is, why does all the top Africa teams play some sort of 4-3-3 formation, when it clearly doesn't fit the profile of their team.
ivory coast for example i think would be best suited to play a 4-4-2 formation with Yaya and Zakora, providing the platform for two wingers to get forward and great havoc down the wings and play balls in for Drogba and another striker.
---Kalou/Kieta---Yaya---Zakora---Gervinho
-------------Drogba---Kieta/Kalou
it gets all their best players on the pitch and gets rid of the wasted 3 man in midfield and provides good over for their defense.
and of course, cameroon, would be playing a 4-3-2-1 formation.
which is, why does all the top Africa teams play some sort of 4-3-3 formation, when it clearly doesn't fit the profile of their team.
ivory coast for example i think would be best suited to play a 4-4-2 formation with Yaya and Zakora, providing the platform for two wingers to get forward and great havoc down the wings and play balls in for Drogba and another striker.
---Kalou/Kieta---Yaya---Zakora---Gervinho
-------------Drogba---Kieta/Kalou
it gets all their best players on the pitch and gets rid of the wasted 3 man in midfield and provides good over for their defense.
and of course, cameroon, would be playing a 4-3-2-1 formation.
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Re: African Cup of Nations
It reall makes no sense. Bar Egypt none of the African teams are disciplined enough, and it doesn't get the best our of them.
A 4-4-2 with two strict defensive midfielders is the best way forward for them.
Even in that formation Zokora and Yaya can both play as box to box midfielders.
Similar to how Essien and Appiah were for Ghana.
Nigeria can't do it because Mikel is way too lethargic and Etuhu and Olofinjana maybe aren't up to the level of the others.
A 4-4-2 with two strict defensive midfielders is the best way forward for them.
Even in that formation Zokora and Yaya can both play as box to box midfielders.
Similar to how Essien and Appiah were for Ghana.
Nigeria can't do it because Mikel is way too lethargic and Etuhu and Olofinjana maybe aren't up to the level of the others.
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- Post n°417
Re: African Cup of Nations
Bubbles wrote:110% wrote:Bubbles wrote:kas wrote:Are you being sarcastic?
No.
The tournament has had some exciting games, but the overall quality has been poor.
I'm talking about entertainment, not 'quality'.
You'd love Avatar
If by that you mean I'd prefer to watch Avatar than another shit football match then you're right. However, I'd much rather watch the Egypt-Algeria game all over again, knowing what happened, than watch Avatar.
no, I meant that with avatar you argue about the quality of the acting, the storyline etc whereas with the ACON you are happy to be entertained. Avatar is entertaining if you watch it without that chip on your shoulder.
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- Post n°418
Re: African Cup of Nations
Super Guti wrote:The Professor wrote:kas wrote:Super Solari wrote:I have already explained this just before the cup started in case anybody would bring it up which people rarely do to be fair. The reasons is first that it is a tradition but more importantly is that it helps develop the infrastructure of the hosting nations and with Africa being as poor as it is they need that much more. In these times it is even more needed because with ACN getting more attention then previously and therefore more money through sponsors there is more money and therefore even better chances of developing infrastructure.kas wrote:Was having the old "should the African Cup be held in Jan, during the club season" debate again yesterday, and someone actually made a very good point - I've heard this argument before, but am surprised why it doesn't come up more often:
Why the f@ck is the African Cup held every 2 years?
The World Cup is every 4 years. The Euros are every 4 years. The Copa America is now also every 4 years. So why on earth do the Africans need to play every 2 years?
More money is the only factor that I can think of. Surely if it was brought in line with other int'l tournaments, European clubs wouldn't mind so much even if it was in Jan/Feb, as they would only lose their players once in 4 years.
What's the point of building all these stadiums if they can't put a proper fucking playing surface on it. Every game in this tournament has been ruined by the ball bobbling all over the place.
So all they should either build stadia with perfect surfaces or none at all?
The pitches are playable, i have seen PL pitches in worse state.
Developing poor infrastructure is not the only reason why the tournament is held every 2 years though, other reasons include:
- It's the best avenue to showcase African talents. There are hardly any scouts in most African countries and the African CL is a no nothing competition that hardly gets any coverage outside the continent. For most talents, it's the best place for them to be spotted by European scouts.
- To help generate income for CAF - the poorest football organistation in the world.
- It's one of the few major events Africans look forward to. This competetion is huge on the continent! Do u know how much joy it brings to people over there? To make people wait every 4 years just because it doesn't suit Europeans would be a joke.
By the way, too much fussed is made about African players missing matches for their clubs because of the tournamnet, but what about South Americans who play on thursdays and fly back to their clubs on Friday(a day before most matches are played) thereby not allowing them enough time to recover for their clubs matches? Do u know how many matches Carlos Vela for example misses for us because of international commitments? do u think they are any fewer over 2 years than say Eboue misses during that same period?
Well said Prof.
Allthough I do think the standards have to be raised with regards to the pitches. But I agree that it is laughable if they have to choose between bad pitches or no pitches at all. Though not sure if this is really what Kas was saying.
Yes, that's not what I meant. My argument was that if the African Cup is held every 2 years to help infrastructure development, but the infrastructure that is developed is shite, then what's the point? Better to hold it every 4 years and get some quality pitches/stadiums built. Though I guess it's a fair point that a B-grade stadium is better than none at all.
Regarding the South American players, a huge fuss is made about that too. Maybe not so much in England which has fewer players from that region, but in Spain for example, you'll hear incessant complaints about the "FIFA virus". Not sure Vela is the best example to prove your point though, it's hardly like he'd start every game if not for those pesky qualifiers with Mexico eh?
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- Post n°419
Re: African Cup of Nations
Brilliant time for the AFON Final on at the same time as Arsenal vs Manchester United
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- Post n°420
Re: African Cup of Nations
it's cruel of the Premier League to schedule the fixtures this way, bearing in mind that half of Africa supports either Man Utd or Arsenal.
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