Worst coach of the WC so far.

No one has mentioned Raddy Antic

If he'd taken off a striker for a midfielder v Ghana between 45 and 60 mins he has an easy 0-0 draw.

When I saw Kuzmanovic I thought he'd worked it out and that Zigic would come off but he took off Milijas

Noah and the Bale wrote:

110% wrote:

rza wrote:After Capello's worst game as an England coach, I thought no one could beat him as a clown coach of the first games. And then enter Paul Le Guen, and he made Capello look like a Mourinho by playing SWP instead of Cole. I can't believe any coach, especially a European coach, would play Eto in the right wing of a 4-5-1 and continue with that formation for 90 minutes even when the team is losing. It gets even worse when you mention the fact he preferred Webo as a centre forward, and even Idrissou was told to get into the box while was doing the defending. Was he doing a Mourinho without Milito?

I'll defend capello here on the swp versus cole point, milner was being raped for pace, he was hardly going to put the slower cole on. When swp came on the threat from that side disappeared. Joe cole is the type of guy to bring on in the last 15 mins of a game if you need a goal. He wouldn't last much longer so no point bringing him on in the first half then half to sub him again later.

Where do you get this idea? Cole will be as fit as a fiddle - he's made this clear in interviews with the press.

Joe Cole is the type of player we need on the pitch if we require some creativity and decent crossing. Leaving him to come on for the last 15 minutes is a criminal waste of talent in my opinion

I agree 110%, SWP was a purely defensive substitution. Capello is a conservative coach remember. Though I think he would've been better off with Warnock there mind

Olé wrote:

debaser wrote:Well, no. But I'm not being paid to pick a Cameroon squad! I can't believe there is not a single Cameroon footballer who can play on the wing..

I'm sure there are some Camerunian wide players in the lower leagues of European football, but good enough to play at an international standard

Pierre's favourite Tchoyi (plays in Austria) was at RW in the African Cup of Nations and although he wasn't as awesome as Pierre told us, he looked a decent player. But Le Guen didn't pick him

Olé wrote:

rza wrote:After Capello's worst game as an England coach, I thought no one could beat him as a clown coach of the first games. And then enter Paul Le Guen, and he made Capello look like a Mourinho by playing SWP instead of Cole. I can't believe any coach, especially a European coach, would play Eto in the right wing of a 4-5-1 and continue with that formation for 90 minutes even when the team is losing. It gets even worse when you mention the fact he preferred Webo as a centre forward, and even Idrissou was told to get into the box while was doing the defending. Was he doing a Mourinho without Milito?

I'm going to defend Le Guen. That Cameroon squad is one of the most unbalanced imaginable: He has four defensive midifelders in N'Guemo, Mbia, Makoun and Song. Of the forwards available three of the them are target-men and the only one with any sort of mobility is Eto'o. I personally don't see what other way he could play

--Mbia---Song---Makoun

----------Emana----------

-------Eto'o---Webó------

I posted the same line up in Cameroon's group thread. Isn't Idrissou a winger?

He's a striker. 1.90 according to Wikipedia.

Kimbo wrote:I can't remember 1990 no. And to be honest i'm sick of people bleating on about past examples of teams drawing their first game and doing well, plenty of teams have also drawn their first game and bombed out. My problem is this, Englands squad is rotten, it's a boys club, big tough Capello was supposed to sort it out before this cup, and he hasn't. England needs a major change in mentality before we challenge for a cup.

Kimmy, you're never going to change the players mentality. Terry, Gerrard, Rio and Rooney aren't going to suddenly turn into saints because Capello is around. It doesn't really bother me what they do off the pitch to be honest, as long as on it they're doing the job. Unfortunately, Capello is to blame for england not doing it on the pitch as his decision to tell them the team only a few hours before the kick off is stupid - it doesn't give them time to go through their games in their head and work out how they're going to link up with who. Rooney may have been preparing to play as a lone striker and then a few hours before kick of he gets told he's being played with Heskey.

The Goal-keeper situation is ridiculous. He should have come out and said who his number 1 was months ago and stuck with him.

Maybe I was sub consciously thinking about Dhorasoo.

Who mentioned off the pitch antics? I don't care about that, Andy Carroll is a mentalist but I would pick him over Heskey any day. My problem is with this never changing squad, we're terrified of changing and don't want to give players a proper chance. Ashley Young is the perfect example, I think he has started 1 game for England despite being one of the most productive players in the league for 3 seasons. Well sooner or later we will have to do it, because this average lot are like a broken down old rover.

Ashley Young is down the pecking order because he hasnt pushed on to the next level. Wingers is something England have in huge numbers right now. The team looks similar all of a sudden again. But Gerrard Lampard in centre mid hopefully is over. carragher coming back also didn't help. Rooney Heskey is a fairly new partnership. Lennon on the right and barry in the centre is a 2-3 year new thing. Johnson as rb is also. We had a great qualifying game due to one gk mistake suddenly Capello has lost all credibility with many fans its crazy.

I couldn't agree more with Kimbo

What level are Walcott, SWP, Lennon, and Milner operating on that Young isn't? 17 assists this season, 18 assists last season, 24 assists the season before.

Luis wrote:

Kimbo wrote:I can't remember 1990 no. And to be honest i'm sick of people bleating on about past examples of teams drawing their first game and doing well, plenty of teams have also drawn their first game and bombed out. My problem is this, Englands squad is rotten, it's a boys club, big tough Capello was supposed to sort it out before this cup, and he hasn't. England needs a major change in mentality before we challenge for a cup.

Kimmy, you're never going to change the players mentality. Terry, Gerrard, Rio and Rooney aren't going to suddenly turn into saints because Capello is around. It doesn't really bother me what they do off the pitch to be honest, as long as on it they're doing the job. Unfortunately, Capello is to blame for england not doing it on the pitch as his decision to tell them the team only a few hours before the kick off is stupid - it doesn't give them time to go through their games in their head and work out how they're going to link up with who. Rooney may have been preparing to play as a lone striker and then a few hours before kick of he gets told he's being played with Heskey.
The Goal-keeper situation is ridiculous. He should have come out and said who his number 1 was months ago and stuck with him.

Are you saying Rooney can't manage to juggle two thoughts in his head Luis ?

1) I will be playing by myself up front as I have been all season with Man U
2) I will be playing with Heskey as I have been for years with England


I am maintaining that England played well in the first match and there is little to be worried about. This is the difference Rob Green stopping a simple ball or Lennon providing a simple pass for a tap in makes.

Re: Kimbo's point. The only limiting factor for Capello is the players at his disposal. Mentality has little to do with. He really has not left a single player out who would make a meaningful difference. Possibly Johnson but that is a stab in the dark. You keep going on about Young. He has been poor for Villa most of the season. Why on earth is he supposedly England's answer despite being in the squads and not being good enough anytime he has managed to get on ?

People are saying Young has been poor but so has Heskey and SWP, both of them hardly even played this season.

They've not been poor for England luis

L r dd wrote:They've not been poor for England luis

Oh sorry, it's just that COTR's point was about club football. Has Young been poor for England?

Luis wrote:People are saying Young has been poor but so has Heskey and SWP, both of them hardly even played this season.

Heskey has been great for England Luis. You would need to be pretty damn stupid to question why he has been included in the squad after the qualification process.

Young and SWP are both average. There is little point discussing who out of them is the more average.

KUYT #6 wrote:

Luis wrote:People are saying Young has been poor but so has Heskey and SWP, both of them hardly even played this season.

Heskey has been great for England Luis. You would need to be pretty damn stupid to question why he has been included in the squad after the qualification process.

Young and SWP are both average. There is little point discussing who out of them is the more average.

You said Young has been poor for Villa that's why he's not in the England squad, then you say Heskey's been good for England so thats why he's got a place...so what are you basing selection on, club or country? Fucking hell, talk some sense mate.

Luis wrote:

L r dd wrote:They've not been poor for England luis

Oh sorry, it's just that COTR's point was about club football. Has Young been poor for England?

When he has played yeah. Heskey got into the England team for being great at club level as did SWP. Maybe they've declined since but they've been decent for England. young hasnt been good enough to get into england squads. Anytime he has he has looked out of his depth. His inclusion would be unwarranted especially in a position where we have numerous very good players.

Young has been shit for England so far.

Young hasn't been tested as far as i'm concerned.

Luis wrote:

You said Young has been poor for Villa that's why he's not in the England squad, then you say Heskey's been good for England so thats why he's got a place...so what are you basing selection on, club or country? Fucking hell, talk some sense mate.

Luis what I said made perfect sense. Don't blame me if you can't put two and two together

To summarize

Heskey HAS played well under Capello therefore Capello will obviously continuing picking him, regardless of club form.

Young has not played well when called up by Capello and has not played well in the league this year therefore is obviously NOT being picked by Capello

Simple stuff mate

Kimbo wrote:Young hasn't been tested as far as i'm concerned.

Got a decent amount of minutes in at least 1 match though, and he was awful. Milner on the other hand had some minutes and looked lively and made a goal. Thats why he got on the plane.

KUYT #6 wrote:

Luis wrote:

You said Young has been poor for Villa that's why he's not in the England squad, then you say Heskey's been good for England so thats why he's got a place...so what are you basing selection on, club or country? Fucking hell, talk some sense mate.

Luis what I said made perfect sense. Don't blame me if you can't put two and two together

To summarize

Heskey HAS played well under Capello therefore Capello will obviously continuing picking him, regardless of club form.

Young has not played well when called up by Capello and has not played well in the league this year therefore is obviously NOT being picked by Capello

Simple stuff mate

I'm quite bored of discussion Heskey to be honest. I used him as an example because you said Young has been poor for Villa this season which was why he wasnt picked and that's rubbish as far as I'm concerned because Heskey has been woeful for Villa this season as well but was picked. Young has played a handful of games for England, I don't know how many he has started but if we dismiss the young player of the year last year was it? because he hasn't been effective in a few friendlies then that's ridiculous. Same goes for Bent, he scored 30 odd goals but got 45 minutes in a friendly to prove himself. This is why I, Kimbo and many other England fans get annoyed when we don't perform on the pitch and look to the bench which should include players like A Johnson and Young because they're something different but instead find the same old failed mediocrity.

borocooper wrote:

Kimbo wrote:Young hasn't been tested as far as i'm concerned.

Got a decent amount of minutes in at least 1 match though, and he was awful. Milner on the other hand had some minutes and looked lively and made a goal. Thats why he got on the plane.

1 start and he's a write off, that sums us up.

Whatever you think about the current squad, nobody can deny that there needs to be alot of changes come euro qualifying, even if you rate this squad and think they have done well for England alot of them are ageing and injury prone. We'll just have to wait and see.

Kimbo wrote:

borocooper wrote:

Kimbo wrote:Young hasn't been tested as far as i'm concerned.

Got a decent amount of minutes in at least 1 match though, and he was awful. Milner on the other hand had some minutes and looked lively and made a goal. Thats why he got on the plane.

1 start and he's a write off, that sums us up.

Whatever you think about the current squad, nobody can deny that there needs to be alot of changes come euro qualifying, even if you rate this squad and think they have done well for England alot of them are ageing and injury prone. We'll just have to wait and see.

Whose writing him off? No one that I can see.

Im sure he'll be a good England player in the future. But you dont take a player to the world cup because he hasnt played well Kimbo.

KUYT #6 wrote:You keep going on about Young. He has been poor for Villa most of the season. Why on earth is he supposedly England's answer despite being in the squads and not being good enough anytime he has managed to get on ?

This is what I said Luis

Note me talking about him being poor for both Villa and anytime he has got on for England

He simply hasn't impressed


P.S Don't forget Bent being invisible against Brazil Luis. It's a tough world. Some people are good enough to impress when they get their chances. Some people are not. However the idea of Young and Bent making any meaningful difference to the England squad is hilarious.

borocooper wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

borocooper wrote:

Kimbo wrote:Young hasn't been tested as far as i'm concerned.

Got a decent amount of minutes in at least 1 match though, and he was awful. Milner on the other hand had some minutes and looked lively and made a goal. Thats why he got on the plane.

1 start and he's a write off, that sums us up.

Whatever you think about the current squad, nobody can deny that there needs to be alot of changes come euro qualifying, even if you rate this squad and think they have done well for England alot of them are ageing and injury prone. We'll just have to wait and see.

Whose writing him off? No one that I can see.

Im sure he'll be a good England player in the future. But you dont take a player to the world cup because he hasnt played well Kimbo.

He'll be 29 by the time the next WC comes around, i don't really see him as one for the future, he's not Nathan Porritt.

Kimbo wrote:

He'll be 29 by the time the next WC comes around, i don't really see him as one for the future, he's not Nathan Porritt.

Lennon has forced his way into the team through good performances for Spurs this year Kimmy and kept it by playing well for England.

Young simply isn't good enough and we are back in who is more average out of him and SWP territory.

Kimbo wrote:

borocooper wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

borocooper wrote:

Kimbo wrote:Young hasn't been tested as far as i'm concerned.

Got a decent amount of minutes in at least 1 match though, and he was awful. Milner on the other hand had some minutes and looked lively and made a goal. Thats why he got on the plane.

1 start and he's a write off, that sums us up.

Whatever you think about the current squad, nobody can deny that there needs to be alot of changes come euro qualifying, even if you rate this squad and think they have done well for England alot of them are ageing and injury prone. We'll just have to wait and see.

Whose writing him off? No one that I can see.

Im sure he'll be a good England player in the future. But you dont take a player to the world cup because he hasnt played well Kimbo.

He'll be 29 by the time the next WC comes around, i don't really see him as one for the future, he's not Nathan Porritt.

Nathan Porritt isnt even Nathan Porritt.

KUYT #6 wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

He'll be 29 by the time the next WC comes around, i don't really see him as one for the future, he's not Nathan Porritt.

Lennon has forced his way into the team through good performances for Spurs this year Kimmy and kept it by playing well for England.

Young simply isn't good enough and we are back in who is more average out of him and SWP territory.

Hey COTR, what did you think of Spain today? Still think the hype was justified?