WC2010 Quarterfinal - Uruguay vs. Ghana

Alberto wrote:

kas wrote:btw, what I find interesting in this discussion (and this is not racist in any way, before someone interprets it like that) is that it's mostly the English posters who have a problem with Suarez's actions. Shows that English football fans still have a more "pure" set of "football morals" than the rest of the world.

They have a problem with me. They'll be rooting for "GERMANY" today because of me FFS!

Look Kas, these fuckos would've called Terry or any other English player a "HERO" a "TRUE LIONHEART" if they had done what Suárez did yesterday.

NEVER FUCKING THE LESS, since Suárez plays for a South American team, he's a cheating scumbag in their eyes, but WE KNOW the level of hypocrisy them English c**ts have, don't we Kas.

To be fair we might actually dislike the Argies more than Germany here. There is an undercurrent of respect for the Jerries despite their evil past, whereas the Argies are still seen as cheating little bitch island-snatchers.

Of course Suarez is a cheat. If that is not cheating then what is? Of course players cheat all the time but this is one of the worst forms of cheating. But FIFA should exclude from the next two games even though I hope Uruguay go through and would be better off with him.

Im not saying he shouldn't have done it because obviously he would have done that and probably a lot of other players did as well. I wish though that it would have been a penalty from a foul rather then somebody punching the ball out from a certain goal. Normally if you stop a player as the last man you could always argue that somebody would have missed and therefore a penalty is an ok way to bring justice but in this instance it would have been a clear goal.

At the end of the day Gyan should have scored and Suarez wouldn't have been rewarded but Gyan saved his best penalty for when it was too late.

bluenine wrote:If I was in Suarez's place, I would ve done the same - and and I sure almost EVERY player would do so too. Its as much "cheating" as any foul that is deliberately commited, and there are dozens of those in every football game.

very true, blue. but we've got a bunch of fucking angels here. they were brought up by English parents and grandparents.

mongrel hawk wrote:

bluenine wrote:If I was in Suarez's place, I would ve done the same - and and I sure almost EVERY player would do so too. Its as much "cheating" as any foul that is deliberately commited, and there are dozens of those in every football game.

very true, blue. but we've got a bunch of fucking angels here. they were brought up by English parents and grandparents.

You're missing the point.

@Bluey - If Suarez doesn't cheat, Uruguay don't go to the World Cup semi final - This isn't a grey area like a professional foul to stop a side advancing in their attacking play. Adiyiah's header would have been the last play of the game had the cheating not taken place - It's as black and white as that.

It was probably the most sensible hand ball in the history of football. People who are slagging him off should stop being so sanctimonious. Any sensible person would have done the same, I know I would have.

mongrel hawk wrote:

bluenine wrote:If I was in Suarez's place, I would ve done the same - and and I sure almost EVERY player would do so too. Its as much "cheating" as any foul that is deliberately commited, and there are dozens of those in every football game.

very true, blue. but we've got a bunch of fucking angels here. they were brought up by English parents and grandparents.

I dont think anyone has said they wouldnt do it.

They're saying its cheating, regardless of whether you would do it.

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kas wrote:But then the question is: is every foul cheating?

Erm.. if it is intentional yes. That's why its a foul.

How is this hard to grasp exactly?

Ok. So that means every footballer is a cheating bastard c**t?

Obviously there are varying levels. But essentially yes. If they weren't we wouldn't need referees.

So why are some of you picking on Suarez?

Well I can't speak for everyone but I'm just arguing against the people who think it isn't cheating just because "everyone would have done it" or whatever bullshit excuse. Cheating is cheating, there is no grey area.

Because what Suarez did was rewarded in victory, obviously people are going to be angry about it. On the scale of cheating he is at the very top.

alright, but that was a necessary, professional, heroic cheating. any played who didn't do what he did should be lynched at home.

borocooper wrote:

mongrel hawk wrote:

bluenine wrote:If I was in Suarez's place, I would ve done the same - and and I sure almost EVERY player would do so too. Its as much "cheating" as any foul that is deliberately commited, and there are dozens of those in every football game.

very true, blue. but we've got a bunch of fucking angels here. they were brought up by English parents and grandparents.

I dont think anyone has said they wouldnt do it.

They're saying its cheating, regardless of whether you would do it.

indeed, it is cheating.

but, like Murray said, it was a sensible cheating.

Murray wrote:It was probably the most sensible hand ball in the history of football. People who are slagging him off should stop being so sanctimonious. Any sensible person would have done the same, I know I would have.

It was arguably the ultimate sacrifice for his team that Suárez did. He KNEW he was gonna be red carded, not even a whiff of complaint from him when he got shown the door. He had already made a point blank save from the line, the second one he only had his hands to impede the ball from going in and give his beloved Uruguay a last breath of hope.

He was gone, paid for his "cheating" as the FIFA rules of the game indicate. The ultimate sacrifice if you ask me, he knew he was out of the game, but gave Muslera a CHANCE!

mongrel hawk wrote:

borocooper wrote:

mongrel hawk wrote:

bluenine wrote:If I was in Suarez's place, I would ve done the same - and and I sure almost EVERY player would do so too. Its as much "cheating" as any foul that is deliberately commited, and there are dozens of those in every football game.

very true, blue. but we've got a bunch of fucking angels here. they were brought up by English parents and grandparents.

I dont think anyone has said they wouldnt do it.

They're saying its cheating, regardless of whether you would do it.

indeed, it is cheating.

but, like Murray said, it was a sensible cheating.

I was complaining about the England players not taking out the Germans when they were counter attacking whilst i was watching in the pub. But I would never claim in some way they weren't cheating. The game is too far gone in this direction for anyone to want their team to play fair and lose. But let's not be in denial about it at least.

kas wrote:btw, what I find interesting in this discussion (and this is not racist in any way, before someone interprets it like that) is that it's mostly the English posters who have a problem with Suarez's actions. Shows that English football fans still have a more "pure" set of "football morals" than the rest of the world.

Would English posters call that a cheating too? From what I remember MU fans here considered it, to be one of the most important moments of Solskjaer's career at Old Trafford. He got pretty big ovation from the fans too.