Germany, where did it all go wrong ?

In the end I think Germany did very well if you consider for how many young players that played their first tournament. On the other hand Germany always reaches the semi's and with only 3 titles you could wonder if that so called winning mentality is just a hoax to begin with.

Germany had their share of luck in the England match, but overall they had a great wc. Much better then that so called sommermarchen Germany had in 2006 shows also what a bad coach Cleansman was, considering Germany were the host.

But the best thing this WC gave to Germany is a new, positive image. All thanks to Loew!

>Germany, where did it all go wrong ?<

Only 3 titles, Fey? Really? You of all nations should know how hard it is to get this far and win it all.

0 out of 3 tomorrow.

Like others have pointed out, I don't see an awful lot that went wrong for Germany - came into the tournament with little expectations, performed magnificently as a team to claim a couple of big scalps, showed the country have a pool of excellent young players (Ozil, Mueller, Khedira, Neuer) - it's all for the taking in 2012.

Allez les rouges wrote:I don't know where you get this "lack of a winning mentality" after the tournament the boys have just played contrary to most expectations. Spain were better dammit, and yes, the team should have been more aggressive as I keep saying – and perhaps that's partly Löw's fault – but I definitely think it's going too far to say they didn't believe they could win. The young guys should only get better; in the meantime it's not this devastating result that will be celebrated – it won't, it's being mourned, a semi isn't good enough – but the team and squad, for their exhilarating displays, which were fun, that's what football's supposed to be all about.

Exactly. Semi isn't good enough for countries like Brazil and Germany. I don't know why you celebrated so much in 2006.

Germany played some of the best football of the tournament. I don't think that we will see any time soon a country outscore past champions 8-1 in the KO stages. I hope to see Ozil and co. live in 2014.

8-2*

Formerly known as sheva7 wrote:

Allez les rouges wrote:I don't know where you get this "lack of a winning mentality" after the tournament the boys have just played contrary to most expectations. Spain were better dammit, and yes, the team should have been more aggressive as I keep saying – and perhaps that's partly Löw's fault – but I definitely think it's going too far to say they didn't believe they could win. The young guys should only get better; in the meantime it's not this devastating result that will be celebrated – it won't, it's being mourned, a semi isn't good enough – but the team and squad, for their exhilarating displays, which were fun, that's what football's supposed to be all about.

Exactly. Semi isn't good enough for countries like Brazil and Germany. I don't know why you celebrated so much in 2006.

The celebreation was because of the event fans. 50% of those never watch football only the world cup and euros and most girls cheer for the players because they like poldi schwini and balli. The team celebrated with the fans because of their support.
Look at it this year: Now party is planned in any way for that 3rd/4th place.

If you want critical advise. Your organized plays and excellent movement masks your weakness at the higher level of the game which is you do not have a Xavi or an Iniesta in the middle yet that is why your a counter attacking side it was refreshing to watch you play but controlled possession culls the tempo of the opposition you had the same problem as Brazil you were sharing the same bed, football tactics looked similar.

Formerly known as sheva7 wrote:

Allez les rouges wrote:I don't know where you get this "lack of a winning mentality" after the tournament the boys have just played contrary to most expectations. Spain were better dammit, and yes, the team should have been more aggressive as I keep saying – and perhaps that's partly Löw's fault – but I definitely think it's going too far to say they didn't believe they could win. The young guys should only get better; in the meantime it's not this devastating result that will be celebrated – it won't, it's being mourned, a semi isn't good enough – but the team and squad, for their exhilarating displays, which were fun, that's what football's supposed to be all about.

Exactly. Semi isn't good enough for countries like Brazil and Germany. I don't know why you celebrated so much in 2006.

Germany played some of the best football of the tournament. I don't think that we will see any time soon a country outscore past champions 8-1 in the KO stages. I hope to see Ozil and co. live in 2014.

I don't get this. So Brazilians and Germans believe that evey 4 years they should be one of the top two footballing nations in the World?

Perhaps if these people actually came down to Earth they would enjoy more the successes of their respective nations. There are 200+ footballing nations on Earth, NO country has the divine right to think it should be in the WC final evey time the tournament is played. Germany in particular should have no qualms about losing to Spain , as Spain have been the best team in the World for the last 3 years.

Germany have had an excellent World Cup. Football has changed - big, ugly German teams of the past wouldn't be able to survive in the modern game.

I see more changes happening with the WC... Gone is the big four or big two or what ever you foolish national fans seem to self proclaim.

4 years from now we may see another new side topping the list Even England...

When Spain win tomorrow they will have disbanded the so called large nations and become the team to beat in the world.

Noah and the Bale wrote:

Formerly known as sheva7 wrote:

Allez les rouges wrote:I don't know where you get this "lack of a winning mentality" after the tournament the boys have just played contrary to most expectations. Spain were better dammit, and yes, the team should have been more aggressive as I keep saying – and perhaps that's partly Löw's fault – but I definitely think it's going too far to say they didn't believe they could win. The young guys should only get better; in the meantime it's not this devastating result that will be celebrated – it won't, it's being mourned, a semi isn't good enough – but the team and squad, for their exhilarating displays, which were fun, that's what football's supposed to be all about.

Exactly. Semi isn't good enough for countries like Brazil and Germany. I don't know why you celebrated so much in 2006.

Germany played some of the best football of the tournament. I don't think that we will see any time soon a country outscore past champions 8-1 in the KO stages. I hope to see Ozil and co. live in 2014.

I don't get this. So Brazilians and Germans believe that evey 4 years they should be one of the top two footballing nations in the World?

Perhaps if these people actually came down to Earth they would enjoy more the successes of their respective nations. There are 200+ footballing nations on Earth, NO country has the divine right to think it should be in the WC final evey time the tournament is played. Germany in particular should have no qualms about losing to Spain , as Spain have been the best team in the World for the last 3 years.

Germany have had an excellent World Cup. Football has changed - big, ugly German teams of the past wouldn't be able to survive in the modern game.

I agree, but unfortunately, in Brazil, not being 1st is a disaster.

Brazilians don't think it is their right to win, they think it's an obligation of the players. Here, if they don't win - reaching the quarters, the semis or the final, it doesn't matter -, they are transformed by the press and the public into a bunch of mercenaries, and the coach into an incompetent moron.

There is a general belief that Brazil, given the quality of Brazilian players, should win every WC as an obligation. The opponent never has the merit, it's always Brazil's own fault.

mongrel hawk wrote:

Noah and the Bale wrote:

Formerly known as sheva7 wrote:

Allez les rouges wrote:I don't know where you get this "lack of a winning mentality" after the tournament the boys have just played contrary to most expectations. Spain were better dammit, and yes, the team should have been more aggressive as I keep saying – and perhaps that's partly Löw's fault – but I definitely think it's going too far to say they didn't believe they could win. The young guys should only get better; in the meantime it's not this devastating result that will be celebrated – it won't, it's being mourned, a semi isn't good enough – but the team and squad, for their exhilarating displays, which were fun, that's what football's supposed to be all about.

Exactly. Semi isn't good enough for countries like Brazil and Germany. I don't know why you celebrated so much in 2006.

Germany played some of the best football of the tournament. I don't think that we will see any time soon a country outscore past champions 8-1 in the KO stages. I hope to see Ozil and co. live in 2014.

I don't get this. So Brazilians and Germans believe that evey 4 years they should be one of the top two footballing nations in the World?

Perhaps if these people actually came down to Earth they would enjoy more the successes of their respective nations. There are 200+ footballing nations on Earth, NO country has the divine right to think it should be in the WC final evey time the tournament is played. Germany in particular should have no qualms about losing to Spain , as Spain have been the best team in the World for the last 3 years.

Germany have had an excellent World Cup. Football has changed - big, ugly German teams of the past wouldn't be able to survive in the modern game.

I agree, but unfortunately, in Brazil, not being 1st is a disaster.

Brazilians don't think it is their right to win, they think it's an obligation of the players. Here, if they don't win - reaching the quarters, the semis or the final, it doesn't matter -, they are transformed by the press and the public into a bunch of mercenaries, and the coach into an incompetent moron.

There is a general belief that Brazil, given the quality of Brazilian players, should win every WC as an obligation. The opponent never has the merit, it's always Brazil's own fault.

Yeh I was watching the Brazil game in Barcelona surrounded by loads of Brazilians. They were incandescent with rage at the final whistle - I spoke to one of them, and said to him - "don't worry mate, there's no room to fit the 6th star on your jersey's anyway!". I was saying to him that Brazil have won the trophy 5 times, it's a magnificent achievement - a lot of us would love to witness just one world cup victory in our lifetime.

Suffice to say, he didn't really understand what I was saying, magmanimous enough, but basically iterated what you've just said - Brazil expects it's team to be champion every 4 years.

I can see why there is that expectation, given the quality that Brazil churns out,

but football isn't like - say Basketball : the paucity of goals in a game means that it's got to be one of the best games in the World for upsets or non favourites winning matches due to the fine lines involved.

I can see why Brazilians would be disappointed this time around given they didn't even play in the style associated with the national side. But Germans - what more did they honestly expect from their young side?

I'm even curious and a bit worried about the behaviour of the fans in 2014. Brazilian fans are of the most unloyal, they love to boo and insult the players.

In the qualifiers for the 2002 WC, in a game in São Paulo, Brazil was drawing 0-0 with Colombia and the fans, who were holding small Brazilian flags, began to produce a waterfall of flags from the terraces, throwing them away in disgust. Ridiculous. Roque Junior scored in the end and Brazil won.

Nothing wrong to expect your side to win win win if you have won it before more than a few times. Fans are passionate for different reasons the English would be the same if we won so often..... way back in time we thought we were so good we never wanted to enter the Fifa WC....

mongrel hawk wrote:I'm even curious and a bit worried about the behaviour of the fans in 2014. Brazilian fans are of the most unloyal, they love to boo and insult the players.

In the qualifiers for the 2002 WC, in a game in São Paulo, Brazil was drawing 0-0 with Colombia and the fans, who were holding small Brazilian flags, began to produce a waterfall of flags from the terraces, throwing them away in disgust. Ridiculous. Roque Junior scored in the end and Brazil won.

I guess this is what winning regularly does. Just like the big club team fans are also some of the most unloyal, and quick to turn on their own.

The expectation in Brazil for 2014 is going to be unimaginable

[quote="Axeslammer"]It went wrong with this German team being actually pleasing on the eyes and (most) of the German posters on here being very likeable too : even the Dutches started supporting you lot....


So by your definition likable means taking your crap and staying quiet about it? You keep on posting your little titbits about Germany and you are welcome to it. But then take it like a man when it comes your way. And your last comment on the oximoron post, by the way, showed me that you have a problem with that. So what have we learned from this?

Ä wrote:@fellow Teutons

we need to get our TEETH into this little puzzle EVENTUALLY

to get CLOSURE

I suppose

so why was our "best" not good enough ?

where did it all go wrong ?

why so good against England/Argentina, yet so poort against Espana ?

why was the Euro FINAL against them Spaniards so eerily similar to this World Cup Semi ?

and since WHEN has football become a NON-contact sport for Teutons ?

our lads committed their first foul in the 39th minute

total number of YELLOW cards in a SEMI (for Germany) : ZERO

de Bosque said after the game that Germany had made it SURPRISINGLY EASY

that the battles against the likes of the "uays" (I think) had been far tougher

when Thomas Müller was interviewed after the game, the ARD chap suggested that the SEMI experience would stand the MANNSCHAFT in good stead for the future, no doubt

to which the 20-year-old replied point-blank

"we were already in the SEMI four years ago, and it does not seem to have helped us now"



so what NOW ?

will there be progress

or are we now officially a SEMI country just like Argentina and Brazil have become QUARTER countries ?

WHITHER Germany ?

At least you are not a Round of 16 country

GOOD NEWS, meine Freunde



Lahm's coup d'etat

his attempt to not only kick BALLACK out of the Mannschaft FOR GOOD

but also STEAL the captaincy at the same time

HAS FAILED



our idiotic MEDIA immediately jumped onto the ridiculous "NEW Germany" , "who needs Ballack?-bandwagon"



Schweini, Özil, Neuer (who bemoaned the lack of EXPERIENCE in the team)...

then effectively called for the RETURN of the ONE

thereby clearly POSITIONING themselves against he slimey c**t

NOW

Schweini gave an interview in WAMS

where he said that Ballack would CERTAINLY return to the Mannschaft fold

that he was certainly still NEEDED

and that, OF COURSE, he would still be the CAPTAIN

Lahm merely got the armband because Mikey was INJURED

THAT WAS IT



after Lahm's ENDLESS lobbying to keep the captaincy

THIS is a SLAP into the c**t's FACE that NOBODY had anticipated



Schweini is treating Lahm as some KID that needs to get a SLAP on his fingers



the two are the SAME AGE, after all

BEST NEWS OF THE SORRY WORLD CUP

the END of Lahm as a LEADER

and the RETURN of Mikey

aka

the ONE

Just look at the new Germany:



Smaller, more likeable, agile, feminin, but the tank is a farce

I know Khedira wasn't very good at this WC but seriously you want Ballack back in the team ?

The guy is coming 34 in Sept and can barely run as it is. Imagine how much use he is going to be at the next championships for you

Antarion wrote:Just look at the new Germany:



Smaller, more likeable, agile, feminin, but the tank is a farce

the "tank" looks like Lahm, really

COTR wrote:I know Khedira wasn't very good at this WC but seriously you want Ballack back in the team ?

The guy is coming 34 in Sept and can barely run as it is. Imagine how much use he is going to be at the next championships for you

kedhira is the future, and he had a fantastic WC

i really dont think we need ballack for the euros

the qualification for the euro should be a walkover, and in the tournament kedhira will be 25, ballack and schweinsteiger became in this age world class players

also i think he will join bayern after the season and replace van bommel

and schweini should become capitano

Khedira is being strongly linked to Real Madrid, FYI.

What's wrong with this Germans, first Loew, now Ozil