Germany, where did it all go wrong ?

If we're so terrible, why don't you give up your passport and become Dutch?

Fey wrote:Otto IF you want the old Germany back, you need to HOPE for a DUTCH miracle tonight.

Cause lets face it IF the DUTCH win it, they will humiliate the Germans forever with it, this will be Germany´s Versailles! EVERY Germans will demand revange! And under a charismatic German coach, the real Germany returns!

fey

I am afraid you are out of touch

EVERY German will NOT demand revenge

in fact, NO GERMAN, other than MYSELF

will DEMAND revenge

the German word for revenge is "RACHE"

ANYBODY who would use THAT WORD in public would get life-long-emprisonment

today's Germans are NICE

for FUCK SAKE

for them football has been a NO-CONTACT-SPORT

as seen in the Spain game

you are right though, fey

for German football a DUTCH WIN over Spain would be BRILLIANT

at the moment everybody in Germany thinks that Spain are BY FAR THE BEST TEAM IN THE WORLD

nobody has anything positive to say about Oranje though

IF Holland beat Spain, NO GERMAN EXPERT will be able to EXPLAIN IT

and people will wonder WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN

also

Robben and Bommel will TEASE our Bayern ladyboys with their TITLE

and they would REALISE that they need to WIN the TOP PRIZE to TEASE THEM BACK



so really, I want HOLLAND TO WIN

then again

Germans are notoriously LITERAL MINDED

they would really believe that IF Holland won, the DUTCH (managers) knew SOMETHING we do NOT KNOW

it would lead to a HUGE INFLUX of EVEN MORE Dutch players and MANAGERS



the truth is

NOBODY should be allowed to win tonight

I hope for ET + penalties that will NEVER END

leading to a COIN TOSS

making the final INVALID

Ballack's advisor

according to a Spiegel journalist

told hacks about a GAY CONSPIRACY within the Mannschaft

http://www.bild.de/BILD/sport/fussball-wm-2010-suedafrika/2010/07/11/deutsch/ballack-berater/spricht-von-schwulen-combo-in-der-nationalelf.html



Ballack's advisor does not comment

apparently, an ex-Mannschaft player was thinking about revealing all

but so far this has not happened

other ex-Mannschafters who are also Becker-clients are Bernd Schneider and Oliver Neuville

but did they really think of spilling the beans PUBLICALLY ?

this whole story is VERY fishy

either Becker, Ballack's advisor has lost it completely, or the left-wing Spiegel is trying to discredit Ballack himself

over the last weeks the Spiegel was at the forefront of those NEW , MODERN Germany (ie NO Ballack) debates

still

THIS will NOT endear Ballack to Löw, me thinks

maybe the Spiegel is playing DIRTY here

haha

here's the original Spiegel story

http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/0,1518,705941,00.html

pishtosh, says I

as limp as it gets

Osang, the Spiegel hack, is basically just writing a "RIP Ballack/Old Germany" story

something he could have pulled off AFTER the Argentina game

but something that sounds ridiculous after the Spain game

the last few sentences cannot hide what a shambles this is in terms of journalism

from his story you get the impression that Becker, Ballack's advisor , uses the term "gay" mostly as in "metrosexual" or rather as in "ladyboy" without any real connotations to sexual orientation

ie

storm in a tea-cup

Osang is an IDIOT

still

well worth a read for a host of reasons

Becker is quoted as saying that a surprising late Mannschaft appointment was "halb-schwul"

(ie probably Badstuber because of his Cardigan)



funny little anecdote

AFTER the England game, Lothar approached Osang, and told him how England would have BEATEN GERMANY , if he had been in charge

Fey wrote:Otto..the answer is SIMPLE

How many of these players:




Would paint themselves into animals during a WC? I HATE this new Germany for the fact I can't hate them!

Think about it

Fey wrote:I HATE this new Germany for the fact I can't hate them!

VERY INTERESTING THOUGHT, fey

VERY



Nederlander Ian Buruma has a slightly more nuanced take on things

http://www.cicero.de/97.php?ress_id=4&item=5562



""Abgesehen von einer grundsätzlichen Faszination für das Böse war unsere Nazi-Besessenheit sicher auch darin begründet, dass die deutsche Besatzung für Holland eine der interessantesten Begebenheiten seit 300 Jahren war""



ie

the Dutchies are/were obsessed with the Nazis because the German occupation of Holland in WW2 was the MOST INTERESTING thing to happen to the Lowlands for 300 years



the same , of course, could be said of England and many other countries

HUNDREDS of years of sheer BOREDOM

then the GERMANS arrive

then it's INTERSTING

then they disappear

and it's back to being BORING



nowadays, even Germans are bored with a feminized Germany of Merkel, Westerwelle and Co



there's an interesting interview with Sebastian Junger in the current Stern about his book "War" where he talks about American soldiers HATING the war in Afghanistan and yearning for their families back home

but once they are there, they lack the camaderie of the troops and the feeling that they have a mission to accomplish, that their life matters beyond the everyday chores in a civilised society

which begs the question

are MEN really made for a "domesticated life" ?

or do they need something ELSE ?

think about it

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meanwhile, I watched a pascinating documentary on N24 about the Nazi weapons programme

it turns out they were working on "special weapons" VERY SIMILAR to flying saucers

ALL the research documents were later stolen by the American soldiers

MANY of the leading Nazi scientist ended up across the pond as well

when UFOs suddenly appeared in the American skies (also see the crashes Roswell), they looked VERY similar to those fabled Nazi plans



check out "Die Glocke"

also interesting

the Yankies seem to have stolen the ONE-WING-CONCEPT from the Nazis

http://www.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http://www.guitarmony.com/images/NAZI_UFOS/FlyingBell-1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://fastgeheim.yooco.de/forum/t.7657320-re_vril-flugschreiben.html&usg=__yVZuEgvqX4dNBPaIduT-q4pHyPM=&h=608&w=402&sz=48&hl=de&start=10&zoom=1&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=bmPpJrxxiCWyEM:&tbnh=136&tbnw=90&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dglocke%2Bnazi%2Bufo%26um%3D1%26hl%3Dde%26safe%3Doff%26tbs%3Disch:1

Ä wrote:
there's an interesting interview with Sebastian Junger in the current Stern about his book "War" where he talks about American soldiers HATING the war in Afghanistan and yearning for their families back home

but once they are there, they lack the camaderie of the troops and the feeling that they have a mission to accomplish, that their life matters beyond the everyday chores in a civilised society

which begs the question

are MEN really made for a "domesticated life" ?

or do they need something ELSE ?

think about it

Something similar just happens to a friend of mine right now. For the last 3 years he was not much interested in going out on the weekend with us, drinking a bit or making party. He just sat at home with his gf or even alone. But at the age of 25 he was recruited After his nine month hard work for his beloved and wonderful country, he totally got the burning flame of passion back. He can't sit at home - he even made interesting plans for the next holiday.
At first we thought he broke up with his gf or sth because he was so different now. Well he was like 5 years ago to be more exact.
It seems der Bund really showed him what a boring live he lived the last few years.

Ä wrote:

Fey wrote:I HATE this new Germany for the fact I can't hate them!

VERY INTERESTING THOUGHT, fey

VERY



Nederlander Ian Buruma has a slightly more nuanced take on things

http://www.cicero.de/97.php?ress_id=4&item=5562



""Abgesehen von einer grundsätzlichen Faszination für das Böse war unsere Nazi-Besessenheit sicher auch darin begründet, dass die deutsche Besatzung für Holland eine der interessantesten Begebenheiten seit 300 Jahren war""



ie

the Dutchies are/were obsessed with the Nazis because the German occupation of Holland in WW2 was the MOST INTERESTING thing to happen to the Lowlands for 300 years



the same , of course, could be said of England and many other countries

HUNDREDS of years of sheer BOREDOM

then the GERMANS arrive

then it's INTERSTING

then they disappear

and it's back to being BORING



nowadays, even Germans are bored with a feminized Germany of Merkel, Westerwelle and Co



there's an interesting interview with Sebastian Junger in the current Stern about his book "War" where he talks about American soldiers HATING the war in Afghanistan and yearning for their families back home

but once they are there, they lack the camaderie of the troops and the feeling that they have a mission to accomplish, that their life matters beyond the everyday chores in a civilised society

which begs the question

are MEN really made for a "domesticated life" ?

or do they need something ELSE ?

think about it

---------------------

meanwhile, I watched a pascinating documentary on N24 about the Nazi weapons programme

it turns out they were working on "special weapons" VERY SIMILAR to flying saucers

ALL the research documents were later stolen by the American soldiers

MANY of the leading Nazi scientist ended up across the pond as well

when UFOs suddenly appeared in the American skies (also see the crashes Roswell), they looked VERY similar to those fabled Nazi plans



check out "Die Glocke"

also interesting

the Yankies seem to have stolen the ONE-WING-CONCEPT from the Nazis

http://www.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http://www.guitarmony.com/images/NAZI_UFOS/FlyingBell-1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://fastgeheim.yooco.de/forum/t.7657320-re_vril-flugschreiben.html&usg=__yVZuEgvqX4dNBPaIduT-q4pHyPM=&h=608&w=402&sz=48&hl=de&start=10&zoom=1&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=bmPpJrxxiCWyEM:&tbnh=136&tbnw=90&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dglocke%2Bnazi%2Bufo%26um%3D1%26hl%3Dde%26safe%3Doff%26tbs%3Disch:1

The Nazis were "interesting", were they Otto? Delicately put: you're insinuating the Nazis / Germany did the World a favour by keeping them entertained before playstations were invented? Guess that's another thing we're indebted to you Deutschlanders for..

Sometimes I do wonder if you're joking, or if you really do - deep deep down - believe some of the wonderful stuff you expunge forth

bernd

I believe EVERYTHING I "expunge forth"

including

Hülkenberg > the White Concrete Post

Heidfeld > the Black Button

Götze > Bale

Goebbels > Churchill (as a human being)

Churchill > Goebbels (as a propaganda genius)

Roulade > Goulasch

Germany > Holland

Matterhorn > Zugspitze

Bundersliga > EPL

Nick Clegg > Cameron

but

Oxford > Cambridge

(both in terms of universities and shoes)

Bourne > James Bond

the new "Transporter 3" girl from England > Megan Fox

wahre G, old peach



@antari

interesting stuff regarding the Bundeswehr and how it can change your life

I did neither the Wehr- nor the Zivildienst, so cannot really comment

still

in this sense

what do you make of Guttenberg's army reform

surely, a conscription army is useless as an effective army that gets deployed on hugely dangerous missions abroad

but, getting rid of the Wehrdienst will probably make Germany even more "female and feminized"

or would you beg to differ ?

"Goebbels > Churchill (as a human being)

Churchill > Goebbels (as a propaganda genius)"

Allez les rouges wrote:"Goebbels > Churchill (as a human being)

Churchill > Goebbels (as a propaganda genius)"

shocking to see people with opinions like that

Ä wrote:
Germany > Holland

Makes it clear you're just Schertzing

Ä wrote:bernd

Hülkenberg > the White Concrete Post

Heidfeld > the Black Button

Götze > Bale

Goebbels > Churchill (as a human being)

Churchill > Goebbels (as a propaganda genius)

Roulade > Goulasch

Germany > Holland

Matterhorn > Zugspitze

Bundersliga > EPL

Nick Clegg > Cameron

but

Oxford > Cambridge

(both in terms of universities and shoes)

Bourne > James Bond

the new "Transporter 3" girl from England > Megan Fox

wahre G, old peach

See above for lunacy ratings

= we'll put it down to one too many nights out on 2litre glasses of Bavarian beer

= mutterings that only the mildly delusional can seriously entertain

= should consider seeking professional help

W to the G

Allez les rouges wrote:"Goebbels > Churchill (as a human being)

Churchill > Goebbels (as a propaganda genius)"

stop moaning and make alternative suggestions, allez

what about

Trakl > Brecht

Dürrenmatt > Frisch

Camus > Sartre

War > Peace (in terms of excitement level)

dt Unkraut > duftende holl. Tulpen

Birkenstock > Mephisto

VW > BMW

Audi > Mercedes

Stefan Raab > ANY German Kabarettist

Privatfersehen > Öffentlichrechtliche

Ä wrote:

Allez les rouges wrote:"Goebbels > Churchill (as a human being)

Churchill > Goebbels (as a propaganda genius)"

War > Peace (in terms of excitement level)

I put again three laughters in this post



Jeeeeeeeeez

Otto, where do you stand on Wenders vs Herzog vs Fassbinder

Herzog >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>































Wenders>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fassbinder

I wouldn't use quite so many arrows, but that's the same order I'd go with

Otto, where do you stand on the following:

Broom Cupboard > Boris Becker

Button Moon > Teletubbies

Berlin Wall > Great Wall of China

Queen (the lady) > Queen (the band)

Teuton Granite > Bird's Feathers (for making fluffy little pillows)

Scarves > white socks, sandles and handlebar moustaches (in terms of German fashion)

Coughing up a lung > Speaking German (in terms of melody)

??

Broom Cupboard > Boris Becker

Button Moon > Teletubbies

Berlin Wall > Great Wall of China

Queen (the lady)'s HUSBAND > Queen (the band)

Teuton Granite > Bird's Feathers (for making fluffy little pillows)

Scarves > white socks, sandles and handlebar moustaches (in terms of German fashion) ANY TIME

Coughing up a lung > Speaking German (in terms of melody)

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Schalke fan >> any English fan

Leopard 2>>>>>Pzh2000

Ä wrote:

Allez les rouges wrote:"Goebbels > Churchill (as a human being)

Churchill > Goebbels (as a propaganda genius)"

stop moaning and make alternative suggestions, allez

what about

Trakl > Brecht

Dürrenmatt > Frisch

Camus > Sartre

War > Peace (in terms of excitement level)

dt Unkraut > duftende holl. Tulpen

Birkenstock > Mephisto

VW > BMW

Audi > Mercedes

Stefan Raab > ANY German Kabarettist

Privatfersehen > Öffentlichrechtliche

Agree with most except Camus vs Sartre and VW vs BMW

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Not seen enough Wenders

Th. Mann > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brecht

(Stefan Gerhardt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brecht)

Puccini > > > > > > > > > > > > Shostakovich

Furtwängler > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karajan (obvious but still)

German women > > > > > > > > > > Italian women

Elisha Cuthbert > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Scarlett Johansson

Neue Wache > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holocaust-Mahnmal

Guns 'n' Roses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nirvana (and everything else)

George Eliot > > > > > > > > > > > > Charles Dickens

Gaga > > > > > > > > > > > > Madonna

Me just did some "which historical leader are you"? Seriously, these things are predictable.

(there's an American either/or taste quiz mentioned halfway down here: http://www.bloodandtreasure.blogspot.com)

Thinking of more...

Noah and the Bale wrote:

Ä wrote:bernd

Hülkenberg > the White Concrete Post

See above for lunacy ratings

= we'll put it down to one too many nights out on 2litre glasses of Bavarian beer

W to the G

Allez les rouges wrote:German women > > > > > > > > > > Italian women

There's something wrong with you

Fey wrote:

Leopard 2>>>>>Pzh2000

Shouldn't that tank be pulling a caravan?

debaser wrote:

Allez les rouges wrote:German women > > > > > > > > > > Italian women

There's something wrong with you

maybe he just likes it rough

German vs Italian women is a tricky one

depends entirely on what you are looking for (summer fling or something more long-lasting)

I suppose the sheer drama of our sundrenched southern sisters can be a tad overwhelming to most male northern Europeans

Kati Witt / Franzi v. Almsick >> Monica Bellucci /Carla Bruni ANY time of the day

then again

German ladies can be VERY down to earth

in terms of LOOKS German ladies are certainly on a par with their Italian sisters

even if latin gals are far better at getting the most out of themselves

it's a cultural thing though

Germans are obsessed with inner values, Italians with the "external"/presentation (ie bella figura)

note that female Italians have the SEXIEST voices in the world though

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@allez

Neue Wache >>>> Holocaust Denkmal



as for Puccini >>> Schostakovich

I love the RUssians in general: Prok's piano works, Strawinski's Sacre as well as the above (in particular his Leningrad Symphonie)

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something is now clearly going RIGHT in Germany

we just won the ROWING GOLD for the MEN's EIGHT in NZ

Silver went to Britain

Ä wrote:German vs Italian women is a tricky one

No its not!

Otto remember those lad holidays on the med. Me and my friends had a whole point system for women to see who could get the most. The system was:
British women-3 points
German women 5 points
Dutch women 6/7 points
Italian/spanish/etc 8/9 points
Swedish women 10 points

German women are much easier to get then Italian women though, very few Italian women fancy a one-night-stand! So for your points tally it was always better to go for a lot of quantity

fey

your points distribution is frankly RIDICULOUS

and a clear and deliberate provocation

and what do you think is so special about Italian girls anyway ?!

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here are our Rowing SUPERSTARS

Lukas Müller is 2.08 metres tall

he could basically spit over Michael Jordan's head in a horizontal line

Ä wrote:

Noah and the Bale wrote:

Ä wrote:bernd

Hülkenberg > the White Concrete Post

See above for lunacy ratings

= we'll put it down to one too many nights out on 2litre glasses of Bavarian beer

W to the G