IS ROONEY'S CAREER OVER?

shazlx wrote:

Alive and Kicking wrote:All this for a feking pay raise...... or maybe to put his value up. Who knows

All of this? Look at this objectively and forget that's its Wayne Rooney of Manchester United.

A player has 2 years left on his contract at his club. He feels that they are no longer strong enough in the transfer market to compete on all levels as they have in the past. He tells them privately that he will not be extending his contract. (not unusual at this point) He is in terrible form due to not recovering from an injury. He believes he is fit enough to play though his coach disagrees, and says so publicly (unusual but does happen and is not unheard of). His club (coach) tells the media that he wants to leave (unusual and does not normally happen). Player makes a carefully worded public statement on his situation (not unusual).

There's not much that actually happened and most of the stuff that did is normal in football. Its only Fergie's intervention that was unusual and that is what caused the media circus. I say blame it all on him.

Poor little shit. Let's all cry for him!

Rosicky wrote:What a CONTE. If I was a united fan I'd hate him forever now.

I ALWAYS HAVE and I ALWAYS WILL...!!!

"I'm delighted to sign another deal at United. I've spoken to the manager and the owners and they've convinced me this is where I belong.

"I am signing a new deal in the absolute belief that the management, coaching staff, board and owners are totally committed to making sure United maintains its proud winning history - which is the reason I joined the club in the first place.

Looks like a mutual damage limitation exercise. He wanted to leave, mainly for financial reasons (he's not a Giggs or Scholes, he'll last maybe 3 more years at the top max - so the need to accelerate the 'last big contract' process) but may have been unnerved by the level of hostility he invited from the fans and the media esp if he was to go to City - which would have been the only realistic destination in January. By signing another contract, he has bought himself time to recover from injury, regain his form and thus enhance his options in readiness for the summer window, and has also done a massive favour to Utd by ensuring he won't be undersold with only 12 months on his contract. Provided he regains his form, he'll be a good replacement for Drogba.

However the saga is far from over and I wouldn't put it past Ferg to have the last laugh.

shazlx wrote:

Alive and Kicking wrote:All this for a feking pay raise...... or maybe to put his value up. Who knows

All of this? Look at this objectively and forget that's its Wayne Rooney of Manchester United.

A player has 2 years left on his contract at his club. He feels that they are no longer strong enough in the transfer market to compete on all levels as they have in the past. He tells them privately that he will not be extending his contract. (not unusual at this point) He is in terrible form due to not recovering from an injury. He believes he is fit enough to play though his coach disagrees, and says so publicly (unusual but does happen and is not unheard of). His club (coach) tells the media that he wants to leave (unusual and does not normally happen). Player makes a carefully worded public statement on his situation (not unusual).

There's not much that actually happened and most of the stuff that did is normal in football. Its only Fergie's intervention that was unusual and that is what caused the media circus. I say blame it all on him.

Plausible except for the fact his agent deliberately leaked his desire to leave. If Rooney (or his agent) had kept it private Fergie would have too, no doubt about that.

Six wrote:

shazlx wrote:

Alive and Kicking wrote:All this for a feking pay raise...... or maybe to put his value up. Who knows

All of this? Look at this objectively and forget that's its Wayne Rooney of Manchester United.

A player has 2 years left on his contract at his club. He feels that they are no longer strong enough in the transfer market to compete on all levels as they have in the past. He tells them privately that he will not be extending his contract. (not unusual at this point) He is in terrible form due to not recovering from an injury. He believes he is fit enough to play though his coach disagrees, and says so publicly (unusual but does happen and is not unheard of). His club (coach) tells the media that he wants to leave (unusual and does not normally happen). Player makes a carefully worded public statement on his situation (not unusual).

There's not much that actually happened and most of the stuff that did is normal in football. Its only Fergie's intervention that was unusual and that is what caused the media circus. I say blame it all on him.

Plausible except for the fact his agent deliberately leaked his desire to leave. If Rooney (or his agent) had kept it private Fergie would have too, no doubt about that.

They may have leaked it but it was just an leak from an "inside source". There was no official comment from either of them so most normal football fans would just dismiss "inside sources" as media hype to sell papers at around a time where there was clearly some friction between the parties because of the injury issue.

Alive and Kicking wrote:

shazlx wrote:

Alive and Kicking wrote:All this for a feking pay raise...... or maybe to put his value up. Who knows

All of this? Look at this objectively and forget that's its Wayne Rooney of Manchester United.

A player has 2 years left on his contract at his club. He feels that they are no longer strong enough in the transfer market to compete on all levels as they have in the past. He tells them privately that he will not be extending his contract. (not unusual at this point) He is in terrible form due to not recovering from an injury. He believes he is fit enough to play though his coach disagrees, and says so publicly (unusual but does happen and is not unheard of). His club (coach) tells the media that he wants to leave (unusual and does not normally happen). Player makes a carefully worded public statement on his situation (not unusual).

There's not much that actually happened and most of the stuff that did is normal in football. Its only Fergie's intervention that was unusual and that is what caused the media circus. I say blame it all on him.

Poor little shit. Let's all cry for him!

Where does this statement require any sympathy for the player? This happens in football all the time. Players wants to leave to clubs he perceives will have more chance of being successful.

Wayne Rooney, Rooney!
He kisses the badge on his chest,
Then puts in a transfer request,
Wayne Rooney, Rooney!

shazlx wrote:

Alive and Kicking wrote:

shazlx wrote:

Alive and Kicking wrote:All this for a feking pay raise...... or maybe to put his value up. Who knows

All of this? Look at this objectively and forget that's its Wayne Rooney of Manchester United.

A player has 2 years left on his contract at his club. He feels that they are no longer strong enough in the transfer market to compete on all levels as they have in the past. He tells them privately that he will not be extending his contract. (not unusual at this point) He is in terrible form due to not recovering from an injury. He believes he is fit enough to play though his coach disagrees, and says so publicly (unusual but does happen and is not unheard of). His club (coach) tells the media that he wants to leave (unusual and does not normally happen). Player makes a carefully worded public statement on his situation (not unusual).

There's not much that actually happened and most of the stuff that did is normal in football. Its only Fergie's intervention that was unusual and that is what caused the media circus. I say blame it all on him.

Poor little shit. Let's all cry for him!

Where does this statement require any sympathy for the player? This happens in football all the time. Players wants to leave to clubs he perceives will have more chance of being successful.

Stop being naive m8, he asked to leave because the board couldn't match his demand regards to an increase of wages. This has nothing to do with him wanting a competitive team around him.


Prior to agreeing his new contract, Rooney claimed that United were unable to match his ambition only to then agree a five-year contract, thought to be worth around £42m or £160,000 per week.

I haven't seen any positive publicity about Rooney for a long time

PR expert Max Clifford

"The fact that he has done a complete U-turn and is now staying at Manchester United doesn't really add to his credibility," said Clifford.

"It looked like he thought he didn't want to be at United unless they paid him a lot of money, so the only deduction from that is he is staying because they are paying him a lot of money," said Clifford, who has worked with many high-profile clients during his career.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/9120257.stm

Alive and Kicking wrote:

shazlx wrote:

Alive and Kicking wrote:

shazlx wrote:

Alive and Kicking wrote:All this for a feking pay raise...... or maybe to put his value up. Who knows

All of this? Look at this objectively and forget that's its Wayne Rooney of Manchester United.

A player has 2 years left on his contract at his club. He feels that they are no longer strong enough in the transfer market to compete on all levels as they have in the past. He tells them privately that he will not be extending his contract. (not unusual at this point) He is in terrible form due to not recovering from an injury. He believes he is fit enough to play though his coach disagrees, and says so publicly (unusual but does happen and is not unheard of). His club (coach) tells the media that he wants to leave (unusual and does not normally happen). Player makes a carefully worded public statement on his situation (not unusual).

There's not much that actually happened and most of the stuff that did is normal in football. Its only Fergie's intervention that was unusual and that is what caused the media circus. I say blame it all on him.

Poor little shit. Let's all cry for him!

Where does this statement require any sympathy for the player? This happens in football all the time. Players wants to leave to clubs he perceives will have more chance of being successful.

Stop being naive m8, he asked to leave because the board couldn't match his demand regards to an increase of wages. This has nothing to do with him wanting a competitive team around him.


Prior to agreeing his new contract, Rooney claimed that United were unable to match his ambition only to then agree a five-year contract, thought to be worth around £42m or £160,000 per week.

I haven't seen any positive publicity about Rooney for a long time

PR expert Max Clifford

"The fact that he has done a complete U-turn and is now staying at Manchester United doesn't really add to his credibility," said Clifford.

"It looked like he thought he didn't want to be at United unless they paid him a lot of money, so the only deduction from that is he is staying because they are paying him a lot of money," said Clifford, who has worked with many high-profile clients during his career.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/9120257.stm

Holy hell, the Daily Mirror is stating that its 250,000 a week.

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Wayne-Rooney-signs-a-new-250-000-a-week-contract-at-Manchester-United-but-faces-a-battle-to-win-back-the-trust-of-his-team-mates-and-fans-article610975.html

Henry Winter wrote:'This is also a victory, of sorts, for football. At a time when hundreds of thousands are losing their jobs, when the grim hand of recession knocks on the door of countless homes, the national game did not need such an image-shredding outbreak of player-power. Rooney's U-turn was the best thing for everyone.'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/8082050/Henry-Winter-Wayne-Rooneys-Manchester-United-U-turn-a-victory-for-football.html

The closet Man Utd fan is at it again. Unbelievable stuff.

Winter is normally a balanced journalist and I don't understand the blind spot he seems to have when it comes to Rooney. Maybe he's angling to write the next installment of his autobiography.

Cesc Soler wrote:

Henry Winter wrote:'This is also a victory, of sorts, for football. At a time when hundreds of thousands are losing their jobs, when the grim hand of recession knocks on the door of countless homes, the national game did not need such an image-shredding outbreak of player-power. Rooney's U-turn was the best thing for everyone.'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/8082050/Henry-Winter-Wayne-Rooneys-Manchester-United-U-turn-a-victory-for-football.html

The closet Man Utd fan is at it again. Unbelievable stuff.

What a c**t.

Both the Sun and the Mirror are reporting the £250,000 p/w figure, which would make Rooney the highest paid player in the world. Also there are claims that the Glazers will throw £60 million into signing new players to keep Rooney happy.

Henry Winter would love to get ass-fucked by Roooooooney. He is such a little bitch. and a c**t. and a shit, biased journo. If i ran the G id sack the twat or make him report on darts.

250 000 a week, that's far too much. No one deserves this amount for just playing football.

On the one hand, it's easy to feel as though we have somehow been hoodwinked here, given the suddenness of Rooney's two turnarounds and Ferguson's remarks earlier in the week - remarks which now, in retrospect, given that the situation hasn't been irredeemable and that Ferguson has even been confident of encouraging Rooney to sign a new deal, would seem only to have made Rooney's relationship with the fans and his fellow players more uneasy.

On the other hand, as Shaz says, the general sequence of events isn't so unheard of and perhaps it is wrong to attribute any hidden or improper motives to any of the parties involved.

I think Rooney is petulant, sullen, and perhaps he has a nasty or inconsiderate streak, but I haven't considered him particularly greedy and I'd still be surprised if all this was just to ensure a slightly bigger contract. I think he's sufficiently passionate about and interested in football, and has perhaps been sufficiently sick of life in England, to consider a move to a big club abroad; but considering a move and being ready to make one are different things, and a desirable move may have been difficult given that Barcelona may not want him whilst Madrid are managed by Mourinho, who is close to Ferguson, and whose nomadic career might see him end up at Manchester United.

I don't believe that he has signed a new contract just to ensure Man United get a good price for him when they sell, because if he was really set on leaving, a new contract would prove a hindrance in a few respects and I struggle to see him reconciling with Ferguson enough to help Manchester United, yet still wanting away from the club.

I wonder if Ferguson has been able to reassure Rooney regarding his successor? I'm inclined to believe that he has reassured him in this regard more than I believe that he has promised big spending in the near future.

If Rooney was on £90k pw prior to the new contract, then that is actually rather modest in comparison with his peers, esp those in the England team, who are all I believe in £100k+ pw bracket. He's also lost or is set to lose a number of lucrative commercial endorsements as a fallout of the tabloid scandal, which no doubt would have had an impact on his missus' marketability as well - so I think financial consideration was a big factor. Doubling your wages from £90k pw to £180kw (or £200k as some reports have it) is a fairly hefty increase.

The ultimate conspiracy theory would be that Ferg put him up to it, in order to get Glazer to release the funds to buy players. Knowing Ferg that may not be too far fetched.

I dunno I might be biased, but we can see how football is nowadays, which is rely on the investor to put money to buy new players. Why can't there be a rule in which teams can spend what they make (TV rights, league position, ticket and mechandise sales).
Spend what you have! How come companies continue to run this way: huge debts, don't give a shit about it, find someone to pay the debt.

On the other hand what can you do when you have teams like Chelsea or City that are run by billionaires?

Alive and Kicking wrote:I dunno I might be biased, but we can see how football is nowadays, which is rely on the investor to put money to buy new players. Why can't there be a rule in which teams can spend what they make (TV rights, league position, ticket and mechandise sales).
Spend what you have! How come companies continue to run this way: huge debts, don't give a shit about it, find someone to pay the debt.

They are bringing in rules like that in 2012. You need to do more research!

Six wrote:

Alive and Kicking wrote:I dunno I might be biased, but we can see how football is nowadays, which is rely on the investor to put money to buy new players. Why can't there be a rule in which teams can spend what they make (TV rights, league position, ticket and mechandise sales).
Spend what you have! How come companies continue to run this way: huge debts, don't give a shit about it, find someone to pay the debt.

They are bringing in rules like that in 2012. You need to do more research!

It will only make billionaires owning club to buy some sick amounts of merchandise from the clubs allowing them to have an extra money legitimately
Or their lawyers will find 100 other ways.

Or they'll buy players prior to 2012 who they can then sell to generate income.

Or the lawyers will argue the rules contravene fair trading laws.

Or something else...

If Rooney was on £90,000 a week, then I'd guess that any new contract offer would have constituted a significant improvement on this, bringing him parity with his peers and recognising his status as Manchester United's best player or biggest name after the departures of Ronaldo and Tevez. I can't imagine that Manchester United hugely increased their offer - and without much in the way of negotiation presumably, given how quickly talks were concluded in the end - in response to Rooney's expressed desire to leave; I would presume that the wage they've ultimately agreed on is only marginally more than was initially offered.

As I say, I can believe that Rooney was genuinely considering a move and Ferguson, in one way or another, persuaded him to change his mind and sign a new contract - that events have unfolded broadly as player and manager say. Looking for a conspiracy, then I agree, this could have been orchestrated to impel the Glazers into spending money at least in the short term; and I think if anything this has also re-emphasised Rooney as a great player and Man Utd as a great club.

Otto, Puro and Kroos have all been telling us this for years.

So is it?

Is this the season Rooney proves he's actually rubbish and his career ended when he was 18?

let's just say

he's no Berbatov, now is he ?!

Correct. On 3 counts

1) Berbatov is a 30million pound benchwarmer who can't get into side ahead of a youth player (Welbeck) and now Chicharito.

2) Rooney regularly scores goals against Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal. Berbatov regularly scores goals against Wigan, Blackburn and Hull City

3) Berbatov can't run

Noah und der Bale wrote:
Chicharito.

What are you, his shower buddy? He is called Hernandez, this nickname stuff is bullshit.

Kimbo wrote:

Noah und der Bale wrote:
Chicharito.

What are you, his shower buddy? He is called Hernandez, this nickname stuff is bullshit.

I've merely repeated what's on the back of the shirt.

Don't shoot the messenger

Noah und der Bale wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

Noah und der Bale wrote:
Chicharito.

What are you, his shower buddy? He is called Hernandez, this nickname stuff is bullshit.

I've merely repeated what's on the back of the shirt.

Don't shoot the messenger

It's not his fucking name, that's the plain fact. Hasselbaink didn't run around with "fat Eddie Murphy" on his back.

Kimbo wrote:

Noah und der Bale wrote:
Chicharito.

What are you, his shower buddy? He is called Hernandez, this nickname stuff is bullshit.

Kimmy, you do realise that virtually every Brazilian playing this crazy old game professionaly also go by their nickname?

I'm no fan of it, but it is what it is.