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    IS ROONEY'S CAREER OVER?

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    Post by Cesc Soler Tue Oct 19, 2010 3:06 pm

    Rooney: Sir Alex explains


    After all we’ve heard and read, it would be interesting to hear your point of view. Let’s start with where it all began and the question of was Wayne injured?

    Yes, he was injured. We sent him for a scan and while he was able to train, he was still carrying traces of his injury. Why he was saying he wasn’t injured, you can only guess yourself. It’s disappointing. When it came to the Sunderland game, I felt I would leave him out and give him a complete break so he could be fit for England. I thought if he went and played for England, at Wembley, we would get his form back. That was my intention, that was my idea, to galvanise him. Take a break from the games, get the training done, get his fitness back. Get rid of the traces of the ankle injury away and play for England. So why he’s come out and said that, I’ve no idea.

    Have you fallen out?

    We’ve never had any argument, not a bit. I think you have to understand the mechanics of these situations when people want to leave the club. It’s an easy one to say he’s fallen out with the manager, a very easy one to say. I think there are traces of that too.

    We’re now hearing that he doesn’t want to sign a new contract. What is the situation with his contract negotiations?

    That is true. David, in the early part of the summer, had opened talks with his agent. And that was to be continued after the World Cup. I was in the office on August 14 when David told me he’d had a call from his agent saying that Wayne wasn’t going to sign his contract. So then David came across to see me. He said he couldn’t believe it and neither could I. I was dumbfounded, I couldn’t understand it at all because only months before he’d said he was at the biggest club in the world and he wanted to stay for life. We just don’t know what’s changed the boy’s mind. David was shocked, I was shocked.

    I had a meeting with the boy and he reiterated what his agent had said. He wanted to go. I said to him, ‘Just remember one thing: respect this club.’ I don’t want any nonsense from you, respect your club. What we’re seeing now in the media is disappointing because we’ve done everything we can for Wayne Rooney, since the minute he’s come to the club. We’ve always been there as a harbour for him. Any time he’s been in trouble, the advice we’ve given him – I’ve even been prepared to give him financial advice, many times. But you do that for your players, not just Wayne Rooney. That’s Manchester United. This is a club which bases all its history and its tradition on the loyalty and trust between managers and players and the club. That goes back to the days of Sir Matt. That’s what it’s founded on. Wayne’s been a beneficiary of this help, just as Ryan Giggs, Paul Scholes and all the players have been. That’s what we’re there for.

    There’s been no falling out. That’s why we need to clarify the situation now for our fans. Because what we saw on Saturday was unacceptable. When we were at 2-2 and the fans were chanting for Wayne Rooney, it put pressure on the players and it didn’t do any good for the team. So we’ve got to clarify the situation and try to do it right. There’s no [specific] offer on the table for Wayne [at the moment] because they’re not prepared to listen to an offer. But there’s always an offer there for Manchester United to negotiate with a player. That’s still there.

    We know what Wayne can do as a player, so are you personally disappointed at the moment?

    Yes, I’m disappointed, very disappointed, I can’t believe it. When you manage Manchester United, there is always something you have to deal with. We’ve had to deal with these situations over the years. There is a disappointment a lot of the time when you have to deal with modern-day players. It’s not as easy as it was many, many years ago when you were negotiating a contract because then the player had to depend and trust on the manager he worked for. And as a manager, you had more contact with the parents then as well. Yesterday I said to Edwin who made that mistake on Saturday, ‘Well, how are you feeling?’ He said the first phone call he’d received was from his father. I said, ‘Well listen to him, he’s the one you should listen to.’ But that’s gone now. We’re dealing with agents who live in the pockets of players. We live in a different world now and we have to deal with it in a different way. It’s a pity but it’s there and we have to deal with it.

    What would be your message to the fans?

    The message is that they have to trust Manchester United. If you look at the history of our club over the last 50 years, at the amount of trophies we’ve won, the honour we’ve received, the recognition we’ve got, the respect we’ve got from around the world, the admiration we’ve had from everywhere. We’ve produced more players than any other club in the country for England. It’s a fantastic history and we should always remember that. You have setbacks, we have some blips at times. Last year for instance, we could have created history by winning the league for the fourth time in a row. It had never been done. We lost it by a point. That doesn’t tell us this team is falling apart or anything like that. What it always represents is the next step forward. How do we challenge? That’s Manchester United. You can’t continually win everything every year. But when you have the little blips, we have the structure, we have the management staff to deal with that in order to get us back into line again. We have to deal with Saturday’s disappointment and we have the wherewithal to deal with that.

    Is the door still open if Wayne changes his mind?

    Of course. David’s prepared to offer the best terms possible for any player in the country. We realise and recognise the quality of the player, that’s why negotiations were started early summer, two years before his contract was up, to extend that contract. And also extend at the behest of the player itself. He said he wanted to stay for life. We were honouring that request from Wayne to stay at the club, at the club he loved. He said the best thing he’d ever done was to sign for Manchester United. So David was prepared, with the discussions with our owners, to offer Wayne the best contract that anyone could have in the country.

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    Post by A & K Tue Oct 19, 2010 3:15 pm

    I really doubt Rooney will go to City or Chelsea. This won't solve his problem at all. I bet he had CR on the phone and this latter told him to go over there.....
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    Post by Aristoskank Tue Oct 19, 2010 3:23 pm

    Deluded F*ck™ wrote:Wow... With the rotten slump he is in, does anyone have use for him?

    Another thing that he hasn't considered is that wherever he goes, he'll never have it as good as he did at Man Utd, he was the man there, anywhere else he goes he'll be 2nd fiddle either in the eyes of the coaches or in terms of being a fan favourite.

    Not to mention that after the 'once a blue' crap he was seen as a disloyal turncoat by one Scottish manager and the fans of Everton, when he leaves ManYoo that reputation will be confirmed.

    He's a nasty little shit, quite frankly. Who would have thought that Nutwing was right all along?
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    Post by Luis Tue Oct 19, 2010 3:27 pm

    Boneyskank wrote:
    Deluded F*ck™ wrote:Wow... With the rotten slump he is in, does anyone have use for him?

    Another thing that he hasn't considered is that wherever he goes, he'll never have it as good as he did at Man Utd, he was the man there, anywhere else he goes he'll be 2nd fiddle either in the eyes of the coaches or in terms of being a fan favourite.

    Not to mention that after the 'once a blue' crap he was seen as a disloyal turncoat by one Scottish manager and the fans of Everton, when he leaves ManYoo that reputation will be confirmed.

    He's a nasty little shit, quite frankly. Who would have thought that Nutwing was right all along?

    Only just realised?

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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Tue Oct 19, 2010 3:29 pm

    Boneyskank wrote:
    Deluded F*ck™ wrote:Wow... With the rotten slump he is in, does anyone have use for him?

    Another thing that he hasn't considered is that wherever he goes, he'll never have it as good as he did at Man Utd, he was the man there, anywhere else he goes he'll be 2nd fiddle either in the eyes of the coaches or in terms of being a fan favourite.

    Not to mention that after the 'once a blue' crap he was seen as a disloyal turncoat by one Scottish manager and the fans of Everton, when he leaves ManYoo that reputation will be confirmed.

    He's a nasty little shit, quite frankly. Who would have thought that Nutwing was right all along?

    After all Ferguson has done to protect him over the years it smacks of ungratefulness. Most other clubs PR would hang him out to dry.


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    Post by Aristoskank Tue Oct 19, 2010 3:29 pm

    Luis wrote:
    Boneyskank wrote:
    Deluded F*ck™ wrote:Wow... With the rotten slump he is in, does anyone have use for him?

    Another thing that he hasn't considered is that wherever he goes, he'll never have it as good as he did at Man Utd, he was the man there, anywhere else he goes he'll be 2nd fiddle either in the eyes of the coaches or in terms of being a fan favourite.

    Not to mention that after the 'once a blue' crap he was seen as a disloyal turncoat by one Scottish manager and the fans of Everton, when he leaves ManYoo that reputation will be confirmed.

    He's a nasty little shit, quite frankly. Who would have thought that Nutwing was right all along?

    Only just realised?


    No. But thanks for taking an interest.
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    Post by Kimbo Tue Oct 19, 2010 3:30 pm

    Maybe this is why they bought Bebe.
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    Post by Puro Tue Oct 19, 2010 3:32 pm

    Ricardo Wetzel wrote:
    Luis wrote:Rooney will go to Madrid or stay at United. Rooney + Ronaldo back together again though ffs!

    Would be great...

    Real Madrid would go down hill again cheers they only want the merchandise instead of to win something... typical madrid...!

    awesome....

    Barça La liga champions in 2012-2020

    cheers

    It will be just another T-shirt selling stunt...another "David Beckham" at Real Madrid. I'm wiping tears of joy from my face at the proceedings relating the Mancs and the Evil Club! Laugh

    The only thing though, Ricky Ricardo, is that I DOUBT that Mourinho will sign him, BUT you never know with Pérez in charge of Madrid. Laugh

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    Post by Jaime Tue Oct 19, 2010 3:33 pm

    Ricardo Wetzel wrote:
    Luis wrote:Rooney will go to Madrid or stay at United. Rooney + Ronaldo back together again though ffs!

    Would be great...

    Real Madrid would go down hill again cheers they only want the merchandise instead of to win something... typical madrid...!

    awesome....

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    cheers

    We haven't bought him ffs! Salute

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    Post by Aristoskank Tue Oct 19, 2010 3:36 pm

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/9107091.stm

    Fergle press conference.
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    Post by Puro Tue Oct 19, 2010 3:37 pm

    Come on Florentino! how 'bout 75m ( Laugh ) for Rooney! Whoop
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    Post by Puro Tue Oct 19, 2010 3:56 pm

    Some guy was saying "Real can give us 20 to 30m plus Kaká and Benzema for Rooney" lol! lol! lol!

    True story mes amis! Oh how I love these deluded fuckos! Whoop
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    Post by Dick Grayson Tue Oct 19, 2010 3:59 pm

    Boneyskank wrote:
    Deluded F*ck™ wrote:Wow... With the rotten slump he is in, does anyone have use for him?

    Another thing that he hasn't considered is that wherever he goes, he'll never have it as good as he did at Man Utd, he was the man there, anywhere else he goes he'll be 2nd fiddle either in the eyes of the coaches or in terms of being a fan favourite.

    Not to mention that after the 'once a blue' crap he was seen as a disloyal turncoat by one Scottish manager and the fans of Everton, when he leaves ManYoo that reputation will be confirmed.

    He's a nasty little shit, quite frankly. Who would have thought that Sir Dick Nutwing was right all along?

    Saint, finally someone that gets it!

    The fat pie-eating conte is and always was a nasty piece of work - but often MANY would overlook all this cos he is an England player!

    I NEVER fell for that crap. Yes he is quite good - but I also NEVER felt that he was world class or cut from the same cloth as those player like CR7 who go onto win WPoTY awards!
    He NEVER will.

    I always found him to be a nasty conte - that was being put in a red shirt and FORCE taught to be a respectable gentleman. He never was and never will be.

    I am SO happy to see this conte leave in the spectacular and nasty way which is a true reflection of his real self!

    I KNEW this was going to happen and have said so for days/weeks on this board - but NONE of the contes who faff about on here believd me!

    Now i cam TELLING you all - he will turn up at Real Madrid - in January!

    You will see!

    Kaka or more likely Benzeman plus £50m is the deal that is currently being discussed by David Gill and Valdano....!

    You will see.
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    Post by Dick Grayson Tue Oct 19, 2010 4:01 pm

    Jaime wrote:
    Ricardo Wetzel wrote:
    Luis wrote:Rooney will go to Madrid or stay at United. Rooney + Ronaldo back together again though ffs!

    Would be great...

    Real Madrid would go down hill again cheers they only want the merchandise instead of to win something... typical madrid...!

    awesome....

    Barça La liga champions in 2012-2020

    cheers

    We haven't bought him ffs! Salute


    Get ready with some donkey & mushroom pies Jamie - the fat-pie monster is coming to carry CR7s bags!!! ok

    Enjoy!!!
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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Tue Oct 19, 2010 4:03 pm

    Deluded F*ck™ wrote:Wow... With the rotten slump he is in, does anyone have use for him?

    can you think of any manager who wouldn't take him?

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    Post by Brian2468 Tue Oct 19, 2010 4:13 pm

    Wow Rooney brings out everyone on this board............... lol! lol!

    Amazing to read what People on here think of him


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    Post by Brian2468 Tue Oct 19, 2010 4:18 pm

    debaser wrote:
    Brian2468 wrote:Man City and Chelsea do not need him.

    Chelsea have Drogba, 32 and Anelka, 31 as their key forwards, with Lampard, 32 and Malouda, 30 supporting them - those 4 provide vast majority of Chelsea goals. I'd say they need to think about who's going to replace these players in the next few years. Sturridge, Kakuta and Kalou are a long way off. Maybe they will take an opportunity like this, while it comes around.

    City don't exactly need him, but are hardly going to resist another chance to show their newly-bought dominance over their local rivals. Adebayor's not long for that club and Balotelli is more long-term, so there could be space for Rooney (although I don't remember him and Tevez being a particularly effective combo for Utd).

    Rooney is wasted as a Striker yes he can score He has more Vision on a football field than Ronaldo. He Should go to LIVERPOOL
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    Post by fcb Tue Oct 19, 2010 4:18 pm

    Glenns Gone Wild wrote:
    Deluded F*ck™ wrote:Wow... With the rotten slump he is in, does anyone have use for him?

    can you think of any manager who wouldn't take him?


    I can easily see Pep saying no, even for 5m.
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    Post by fcb Tue Oct 19, 2010 4:19 pm

    IMO it would be a mistake for Man. Utd. to ask for Benzema or Kaka if he does end up going to Madrid. The former is a pussy lacking the mental strength or fighting spirit for a tough club, the latter's career is finished. They should take the cash and then spend it elsewhere.
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    Post by Brian2468 Tue Oct 19, 2010 4:21 pm

    Play Rooney behind a fit Torres and Liverpool will start to build a good team again.
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    Post by Dick Grayson Tue Oct 19, 2010 4:25 pm

    I WOULD LOVE TO SEE ROONEY GO TO REAL MADRID OR IF NOT LIVERPOOL! Smile
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    Post by Dick Grayson Tue Oct 19, 2010 4:26 pm

    Man Utd should take the cash and buy AGUERRO!!! ok
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    Post by shazlx Tue Oct 19, 2010 4:28 pm

    fcb wrote:IMO it would be a mistake for Man. Utd. to ask for Benzema or Kaka if he does end up going to Madrid. The former is a pussy lacking the mental strength or fighting spirit for a tough club, the latter's career is finished. They should take the cash and then spend it elsewhere.
    There have been enough players who succeed after leaving Madrid for any failure at Madrid to be written off. Especially an young prodigy like Benzema.


    If it was financially feasible I would LOVE to replace Arshavin with Rooney. He has all the qualities to fit right into the team.
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    Post by shazlx Tue Oct 19, 2010 4:32 pm

    fcb wrote:
    Glenns Gone Wild wrote:
    Deluded F*ck™ wrote:Wow... With the rotten slump he is in, does anyone have use for him?

    can you think of any manager who wouldn't take him?


    I can easily see Pep saying no, even for 5m.
    Would that be the opposite of doing an Ibrahimovic? Turning down a cheap hard working player very suited to your system compared to buying an expensive languid player highly unsuited to your system. Sounds exactly like thing Guardiola would do.
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    Post by fcb Tue Oct 19, 2010 4:41 pm

    shazlx wrote:
    fcb wrote:
    Glenns Gone Wild wrote:
    Deluded F*ck™ wrote:Wow... With the rotten slump he is in, does anyone have use for him?

    can you think of any manager who wouldn't take him?


    I can easily see Pep saying no, even for 5m.
    Would that be the opposite of doing an Ibrahimovic? Turning down a cheap hard working player very suited to your system compared to buying an expensive languid player highly unsuited to your system. Sounds exactly like thing Guardiola would do.

    Cheap in what sense? I don't buy this 5m stuff...as I said earlier today, I remember reading somewhere that top clubs have an agreement not to use that Webster clause, and it would be brave of Barça to upset Man. Utd. by setting the precedent. And then as I said in the Barça thread, the wages will be mental. All this is assuming that the player himself chooses Barça and only Barça, because otherwise we won't even be in the ballpark of City, Madrid, or Chelsea.

    In terms of how well suited he is - as I said in the Barça thread, he certainly has the technical qualities, the tactical flexibility, and the work ethic. But is he capable of combining all this, overcoming any cultural/language issues, and then fitting into our overall game of quick, one touch passing football? I think so, and I'd be excited to see it tried out, but I'm not 100% sure.

    As for Ibrahimovic, I explained a while back that I think Guardiola and the club knew that he doesn't fit tactically, but felt that because of his brilliant technical ability, as well as the physical aspect, if they managed to get him to adapt to our style, it would be an absolutely brilliant transfer because he would be one of the only players in the world that can be a target man but still fit in the general style. But it didn't work out, not just on the pitch, but also in Ibrahimovic's attitude off the pitch (reportedly). Of course the financial aspect of that whole transfer saga was simply inexcusable.

    But yeah, overall, Guardiola has proved he's very weird/clueless when it comes to transfers, that's why I said I wouldn't be surprised to see him turning down this move.
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    Post by Jaime Tue Oct 19, 2010 5:06 pm

    "It would be a dream to play with Rooney if Manchester United ever came to the point where they needed to sell him," Messi said in the Daily Star Sunday. "I would personally go to the Barcelona president and ask that he be signed myself."

    cheers

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    Post by shazlx Tue Oct 19, 2010 5:22 pm

    fcb wrote:
    shazlx wrote:
    fcb wrote:
    Glenns Gone Wild wrote:
    Deluded F*ck™ wrote:Wow... With the rotten slump he is in, does anyone have use for him?

    can you think of any manager who wouldn't take him?


    I can easily see Pep saying no, even for 5m.
    Would that be the opposite of doing an Ibrahimovic? Turning down a cheap hard working player very suited to your system compared to buying an expensive languid player highly unsuited to your system. Sounds exactly like thing Guardiola would do.

    Cheap in what sense? I don't buy this 5m stuff...as I said earlier today, I remember reading somewhere that top clubs have an agreement not to use that Webster clause, and it would be brave of Barça to upset Man. Utd. by setting the precedent. And then as I said in the Barça thread, the wages will be mental. All this is assuming that the player himself chooses Barça and only Barça, because otherwise we won't even be in the ballpark of City, Madrid, or Chelsea.
    Cheap as in the 5M you've described in the post i initially replied to.
    But yeah, overall, Guardiola has proved he's very weird/clueless when it comes to transfers, that's why I said I wouldn't be surprised to see him turning down this move.
    TBH it was just a WUM comment alluding to what you've said above. I didn't expect all the other stuff.
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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Tue Oct 19, 2010 5:26 pm

    Jaime wrote:"It would be a dream to play with Rooney if Manchester United ever came to the point where they needed to sell him," Messi said in the Daily Star Sunday. "I would personally go to the Barcelona president and ask that he be signed myself."

    cheers

    And you know Rosell loves to sign nike sponsored footballers....

    am I right it thinking that neither the Madrid nor Barca fans want him?

    Is this pride/posturing or are you genuinely unaware of just how good a player he is?
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    Post by Isco Benny Tue Oct 19, 2010 5:36 pm

    Gosh, he may have had a bad World Cup, but these knee jerk fuckos should fuck off back under the rocks with which they came frankly.

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    Post by Jaime Tue Oct 19, 2010 5:37 pm

    Glenns Gone Wild wrote:
    Jaime wrote:"It would be a dream to play with Rooney if Manchester United ever came to the point where they needed to sell him," Messi said in the Daily Star Sunday. "I would personally go to the Barcelona president and ask that he be signed myself."

    cheers

    And you know Rosell loves to sign nike sponsored footballers....

    am I right it thinking that neither the Madrid nor Barca fans want him?

    Is this pride/posturing or are you genuinely unaware of just how good a player he is?

    I rate Rooney actually but I just don't see the point to signing him. Where would he go? Up front? In the first place I don't think playing as an out and out lone centre forward is his best position. And in the second place, this would mean dropping/selling Higuain who is already one of the best young 9s in the game and one the few recent examples of a player that came to Madrid unknown and became a star. We could put him behind Higuain but then what of Ozil? We could put him on the wing but we just spent a boat load on Di Maria. We dont really need more goals in this team so why pay a fortune for Rooney?

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