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    Post by Ricardo Jol Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:52 pm

    christmasborocooper wrote:VDV not happy it seems.

    Are the Spurs management stupid? or are they stupid
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    Post by DD Tue Sep 13, 2011 4:14 pm

    Dutch media reports that VDV wasn't made aware of the decision.
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    Post by Hlebagone Tue Sep 13, 2011 4:26 pm

    Hasn't he got the memo saying that all team communications are done through SSN?
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    Post by Isco Benny Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:35 pm

    Seriously poor man management this.

    VDV will be back in the EL squad if, and I expect, when we qualify from the group stages.

    But to not tell him - well, we all know how touchy these Dutchies get as it is anyway when the club isn't massaging their egos aswell as their damaged limbs, so to do this is doubly embarrassing.

    I just hope VDV doesn't start comfort eating
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Sun Sep 18, 2011 11:46 pm

    Can't believe we robbed Stoke of £10m for Crouch (beanstalk is lucky that Torres is taking all the headlines for his miss, I just saw MOTD2) and have Adebayor in now on loan. I hope Levy has sent an expensive bottle of whisky up to Peter Coates as a sorry. Daylight fucking robbery. The difference in class between the 2 players is astounding. That flick from Adebayor over Reina for his first was fantastic.

    I thought Bale was poor tbh - went into full-on Superhero mode, despite his pressure and pace was the reason for 1 of the red cards.

    Assou-Ekotto & Walker are a brilliant pair of full-backs. Walker is like a Hutton who can defend.

    Modric, almost back to his best and more importantly looked happy, and Scott Parker, whilst I'm not his biggest fan, has settled in well.

    I know this is being picky, but we weren't exactly ruthless in those last 20 minutes. Manchester United would have gone for 8 but we seemed pretty content on 3. Was a good chance to get out of minus goal difference. But I feel a twat for complaining so I will go back to being positive, great performance. Yes we have a man or two advangate for a large period, but even when the sides were level we were far superior.
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    Post by christmasborocooper Sun Sep 18, 2011 11:49 pm

    I commented earlier on Bale's freekick taking..turning a bit Ronaldo on the situation..but watching the rest of the match, it's every side of his game. He's slowly turning into Ronaldo. He's still got the odd cross and pass in him but more often than not it's a piledrive from about 25 yards from a weird angle.

    Also..I know Adebayor is good and everything, but dont you think you'll get about 3 months out of him and then he'll just go shit and be a c**t? Like he seems to most places? Like a black Mido?
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    Post by debaser Mon Sep 19, 2011 12:06 am

    Wouldn't go that far on Walker defensively. He's Glen Johnson-y in more ways than one. Maybe he will learn & improve as G.Johnson never did, but he was prone to making mistakes last season - e.g. pushing forward at wrong time/losing the ball in bad places. don't get me wrong, I think he's a good player, but just warning that I don't think he's quite there yet in things like decision-making..
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    Post by Guest Mon Sep 19, 2011 12:14 am

    Deluded F*ck™ wrote:Scott Parker, whilst I'm not his biggest fan, has settled in well.

    Behind Modric and Adebayor I thought Parker was your best player today. He was everywhere, hasting our defense and giving our midfield no space or time on the ball. He didn't allow Adam anything and that frustration is probably the reason Adam eventually got sent off. I'm not his biggest fan either, but for the high praise you gave others in your team I don't think 'settled in well' does Parker justice.

    Deluded F*ck™ wrote:Yes we have a man or two advangate for a large period, but even when the sides were level we were far superior.

    True that. They both deserved to go, and Skrtle was getting so consistently raped that he shouldn't have even bothered turning up anyway.
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    Post by christmasborocooper Mon Sep 19, 2011 12:20 am

    I actually thought Walker was out of position a lot today..he does still seem a bit naive.

    Parker was brilliant. His passing was very good also, underrated.
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Mon Sep 19, 2011 12:40 am

    christmasborocooper wrote:I commented earlier on Bale's freekick taking..turning a bit Ronaldo on the situation..but watching the rest of the match, it's every side of his game. He's slowly turning into Ronaldo. He's still got the odd cross and pass in him but more often than not it's a piledrive from about 25 yards from a weird angle.

    Also..I know Adebayor is good and everything, but dont you think you'll get about 3 months out of him and then he'll just go shit and be a c**t? Like he seems to most places? Like a black Mido?

    Well, unlike Mido, Adebayor has always looked after himself physically.

    I don't exactly get what he was supposed to have done wrong at City (14 in 26 in 2009/10 - league only)... similar to Bellamy it appears that he was bombed out for not being Mancini's signing.

    Adebayor will stay interested because he probably realises that if he doesn't do the business here, no regular CL team look at him again.It a temporary marriage of convenience. I'm hoping that he is 'arry's new Di Canio.
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    Post by christmasborocooper Mon Sep 19, 2011 12:43 am

    There must be a reason no manager wants to keep him..

    Wenger let him go..
    Mancini didnt even want him on the bench..
    Mourinho had him and had no interest in keeping him..
    Mancini still didnt want him..
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    Post by debaser Mon Sep 19, 2011 12:52 am

    Deluded, you reckon THudd is gonna get in the team much now you've got Parker? Sandro probably ahead of him too + Modric/Kranjcar/VDV for creative role, Livermore coming through..
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    Post by christmasborocooper Mon Sep 19, 2011 12:53 am

    You're saying there's not enough room to fit Huddlestone in the team?
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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:30 am

    IIRC Adebayor fell out of favour with Mancini after he shot up a minibus in Angola while wearing an Arsenal shirt. He is also quite conspicuously not Edin Dzeko, Carlos Tévez or Mario Balotelli.

    It's madness that Man City have players of this quality, decide they don't fancy them and then loan them out to another EPL team, where they can play against everyone except City. Man Utd do this too, so that whenever they play against a midtable side, that team is missing a first team regular because they are on loan from Utd. It makes me want to be sick.

    Cooper is right, Football Writers' Association Footballer of the Year Scott Parker is underrated. When will he get a chance for England or the credit he deserves from the media?
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    Post by christmasborocooper Mon Sep 19, 2011 8:09 am

    Underrated by TS.
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    Post by Isco Benny Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:18 am

    I'm going to disagree with TS and Crouching here - I am a big Scott Parker fan.

    So, the press loved him, particularly last season. So what? Here are the facts:

    1) Unlike Frank Lampard / Stevie Me or other Media favourites, he's not desperate to make the team about him. He became labelled as West Ham's talisman in the same way that Modric became labelled ours - the ultimate unselfish team player.
    2) This also shows in how he plays - tactically he's very disciplined. You won't find him wandering into attacking positions attempting to grab the headlines like the two mentioned above
    3) Although a DM, he can pass forward. And very well. Take note Carrick. Equally, Parker isn't interested in playing hollywood passes or shooting at every opportunity like a certain other well known "CM" pair (see point 1 about the team not being about him)
    4) He's one of the last players in the league to still wear black boots. Which says a lot about his character. Very rarely does one hear of Parker's antics or interviews off the pitch. There's a reason for that.
    5) He can tackle, but he's clearly not a dirty player who thrived on living off a hard man reputation like a Cattermole or Henry.

    Just because the media and 'Arry love him doesn't change the fact that he's the kind of player every club really should have.

    I'm absolutely delighted to have him at Spurs Ale

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    Post by debaser Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:34 am

    Noah und der Bale wrote:I'm going to disagree with TS and Crouching here - I am a big Scott Parker fan.

    So, the press loved him, particularly last season. So what? Here are the facts:

    1) Unlike Frank Lampard / Stevie Me or other Media favourites, he's not desperate to make the team about him. He became labelled as West Ham's talisman in the same way that Modric became labelled ours - the ultimate unselfish team player.
    2) This also shows in how he plays - tactically he's very disciplined. You won't find him wandering into attacking positions attempting to grab the headlines like the two mentioned above
    3) Although a DM, he can pass forward. And very well. Take note Carrick. Equally, Parker isn't interested in playing hollywood passes or shooting at every opportunity like a certain other well known "CM" pair (see point 1 about the team not being about him)
    4) He's one of the last players in the league to still wear black boots. Which says a lot about his character. Very rarely does one hear of Parker's antics or interviews off the pitch. There's a reason for that.
    5) He can tackle, but he's clearly not a dirty player who thrived on living off a hard man reputation like a Cattermole or Henry.

    Just because the media and 'Arry love him doesn't change the fact that he's the kind of player every club really should have.

    I'm absolutely delighted to have him at Spurs Ale


    Y'know who your 5 point description also sounds exactly like (even down to the black boots)? Your favourite England player, Gareth Barry Ale
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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Mon Sep 19, 2011 12:25 pm

    people keep labeling Scott Parker as a DM but they're idiots. Just because it has hooves doesn't mean it's a horse.
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    Post by christmasborocooper Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:05 pm

    debaser wrote:
    Noah und der Bale wrote:I'm going to disagree with TS and Crouching here - I am a big Scott Parker fan.

    So, the press loved him, particularly last season. So what? Here are the facts:

    1) Unlike Frank Lampard / Stevie Me or other Media favourites, he's not desperate to make the team about him. He became labelled as West Ham's talisman in the same way that Modric became labelled ours - the ultimate unselfish team player.
    2) This also shows in how he plays - tactically he's very disciplined. You won't find him wandering into attacking positions attempting to grab the headlines like the two mentioned above
    3) Although a DM, he can pass forward. And very well. Take note Carrick. Equally, Parker isn't interested in playing hollywood passes or shooting at every opportunity like a certain other well known "CM" pair (see point 1 about the team not being about him)
    4) He's one of the last players in the league to still wear black boots. Which says a lot about his character. Very rarely does one hear of Parker's antics or interviews off the pitch. There's a reason for that.
    5) He can tackle, but he's clearly not a dirty player who thrived on living off a hard man reputation like a Cattermole or Henry.

    Just because the media and 'Arry love him doesn't change the fact that he's the kind of player every club really should have.

    I'm absolutely delighted to have him at Spurs Ale


    Y'know who your 5 point description also sounds exactly like (even down to the black boots)? Your favourite England player, Gareth Barry Ale

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    Post by Isco Benny Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:14 pm

    Well, I can see why Villa fans liked Barry.

    Of course, until he went chasing the money at Man City (at a time when Villa were the better team). And lost all his pace. And ability to pass the ball in tight spaces without clogging it. And being massively exposed at a World Cup for the slow, technically deficient player that he is. But yeah, otherwise, exactly the same Ale
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:15 pm

    Parker has a certain snappiness & aggression that Barry lacks though. Also a better dribbler/carrier of the ball than I thought as well.
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    Post by christmasborocooper Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:08 pm

    Noah und der Bale wrote:Well, I can see why Villa fans liked Barry.

    Of course, until he went chasing the money at Man City (at a time when Villa were the better team). And lost all his pace. And ability to pass the ball in tight spaces without clogging it. And being massively exposed at a World Cup for the slow, technically deficient player that he is. But yeah, otherwise, exactly the same Ale

    Yeah..he was definitely the only one at the World Cup who looked like that. Wayne Rooney is rubbish as well..
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    Post by debaser Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:26 pm

    Noah und der Bale wrote:Well, I can see why Villa fans liked Barry.

    Of course, until he went chasing the money at Man City (at a time when Villa were the better team). And lost all his pace. And ability to pass the ball in tight spaces without clogging it. And being massively exposed at a World Cup for the slow, technically deficient player that he is. But yeah, otherwise, exactly the same Ale

    To be fair, at the world cup he'd been rushed back from injury, was short of match fitness & probably shouldn't have been picked.

    And to be fair, we've yet to see how Scott Parker would fare in top-level internationals.

    And to be fair, I'd rate him at least as good as Parker in terms of technique.

    And to be fair, he never had much pace, has always relied on his reading of the game.

    And to be fair, Parker quit Charlton to sit on the bench at Chelsea in a not-exactly classy manner himself (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/chelsea/3408875.stm).

    And to be fair, while it's not nice to admit, Barry could certainly argue he made the right choice in purely footballing terms to leave Villa when he did - won trophy last yr, in CL this yr and he's now playing alongside Silva & Aguero challenging for the title rather than Petrov & Agbonlahor challenging for 9th.

    Of course it's made him very rich too. To be fair Ale
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    Post by Jaime Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:33 pm

    It's a shame Ledley King can't play more often. You guys are always awesome when he starts.
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:56 pm

    Jaimito el Crack wrote:It's a shame Ledley King can't play more often. You guys are always awesome when he starts.

    A fit Ledley King will always be the first name on the team sheet not only because of the quality of his performances but also because of the stability and confidence he brings out in the rest of the team.
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    Post by Isco Benny Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:36 pm

    Jaimito el Crack wrote:It's a shame Ledley King can't play more often. You guys are always awesome when he starts.

    He really is quite important to us,

    which shows both a) how hard it is to replace such a talent b) How badly we've gone about replacing such a talent

    Sadly, no matter how good he is when he plays, he will only ever play 70% of games at the most.

    So really, we need another King badly if we want to be serious contenders.

    Great player though indeed. One of the best English CB's ever in my opinion.

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    Post by christmasborocooper Mon Sep 19, 2011 5:49 pm

    Should've shown some interest in Gary Cahill.



    Also..on a slightly unrelated, non Spurs point...who remembers David Wheater?
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    Post by Isco Benny Mon Sep 19, 2011 6:21 pm

    christmasborocooper wrote:Should've shown some interest in Gary Cahill.



    Also..on a slightly unrelated, non Spurs point...who remembers David Wheater?

    We did show interest for Cahill - Levy was busily trying to sign him for most of deadline day after Arsenal had pulled out, but by then he was apparently intent on Arsenal or no one.

    Yep, I remember David Wheater. Where is he these days?
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    Post by christmasborocooper Mon Sep 19, 2011 6:27 pm

    Yeah was joking about Cahill..as Harry did nothing but talk about him.


    Wheater is at Bolton, firmly in the shadows as far as I can gather.

    Guess he hoped Cahill would leave.
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    Post by rosenthal Thu Sep 22, 2011 8:18 pm

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