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christmasborocooper- Number of posts : 39348
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COTR wrote:
Carroll still appears to hurt the way we play. He just seems to get in the way.
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A £35million Peter Crouch.
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Really disappointed with that second half because first half I thought we were excellent. Our movement and passing was good and we created several chances that could have been coverted. We really put Sunderland on the back foot and they looked unable to cope with our set pieces.
Second half we were dreadful from start to finish. I put this down to there being too many new players all trying to gel at once and a lack of match fitness due to us not using pre-season properly (using players for the most part that wont be here for much longer) and the needless international games some of them took part in during the week.
Still, no excuse, we were really sloppy particularly in midfield where Lucas and Adam were guilty of giving it away countless times and were second to every ball. Our defence looked solid in the first half but sadly Flanagan seemed to fall apart in the second which is a shame for him because he's akways taken his chances really well up until today. I was confused as to why Kelly didn't start over him as he has more experience.
The other decision I didn't agree with was to start Henderson over Meireles. I hate to say it but I think it was more sentimental than the right decision - maybe I'm wrong but if Meireles is fit, which playing for Portugal showed he is, there's no way Henderson should be starting ahead of him. At times we just lacked that final killer ball and Meireles offers this in abundance.
Of all the new signings I think Enrique showed the most quality today, he's a cool customer on the ball and his decision making was spot on, although I'd have liked to have seen him get forward a bit more seeing as Downing likes to cut inside leaving space for the full back to exploit.
On the strikers - Suarez obviously had a very good start, sure he missed the pen (Which Adam should be taking in Gerrard/Kuyt's absence) but you could see he was causing problems for the Sunderland defence. Still think he's a little tired though, second half in particular he was a little off his game. Carroll really has no excuse for showing any tiredness but it seemed strange to me that instead of feeding it out wide in the second half and getting crosses into him we seemed to be aiming for him straight from the back which is not what I like to see and it's not effective because although he's likely to win the ball, he's often isolated and too deep when he recieves it, leaving him pretty inaffective and unlikely to score from those positions.
I'm not entirely doom and gloom though, we didn't lose any ground on Arsenal which is a positive and the amount of options we have will come good during the season I'm sure. I think a team with so many new players does need time to gel but there's definitely a lot of quality throughout the side now and hopefully today was a learning curve for Kenny to show him that you definitely need someone with quality on the ball that can burst forward like Meireles in the midfield.
Second half we were dreadful from start to finish. I put this down to there being too many new players all trying to gel at once and a lack of match fitness due to us not using pre-season properly (using players for the most part that wont be here for much longer) and the needless international games some of them took part in during the week.
Still, no excuse, we were really sloppy particularly in midfield where Lucas and Adam were guilty of giving it away countless times and were second to every ball. Our defence looked solid in the first half but sadly Flanagan seemed to fall apart in the second which is a shame for him because he's akways taken his chances really well up until today. I was confused as to why Kelly didn't start over him as he has more experience.
The other decision I didn't agree with was to start Henderson over Meireles. I hate to say it but I think it was more sentimental than the right decision - maybe I'm wrong but if Meireles is fit, which playing for Portugal showed he is, there's no way Henderson should be starting ahead of him. At times we just lacked that final killer ball and Meireles offers this in abundance.
Of all the new signings I think Enrique showed the most quality today, he's a cool customer on the ball and his decision making was spot on, although I'd have liked to have seen him get forward a bit more seeing as Downing likes to cut inside leaving space for the full back to exploit.
On the strikers - Suarez obviously had a very good start, sure he missed the pen (Which Adam should be taking in Gerrard/Kuyt's absence) but you could see he was causing problems for the Sunderland defence. Still think he's a little tired though, second half in particular he was a little off his game. Carroll really has no excuse for showing any tiredness but it seemed strange to me that instead of feeding it out wide in the second half and getting crosses into him we seemed to be aiming for him straight from the back which is not what I like to see and it's not effective because although he's likely to win the ball, he's often isolated and too deep when he recieves it, leaving him pretty inaffective and unlikely to score from those positions.
I'm not entirely doom and gloom though, we didn't lose any ground on Arsenal which is a positive and the amount of options we have will come good during the season I'm sure. I think a team with so many new players does need time to gel but there's definitely a lot of quality throughout the side now and hopefully today was a learning curve for Kenny to show him that you definitely need someone with quality on the ball that can burst forward like Meireles in the midfield.
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Good result.
More of the same next week. Arsenal look vulnerable at the moment.
More of the same next week. Arsenal look vulnerable at the moment.
GR- Number of posts : 655
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COTR wrote:
I am more concerned that Henderson started ahead of Meireles or Aquilani than ahead of Kuyt.
Flanagan had a shocker. Might be the last time we see him for a while.
Unlike you I am not surprised.
Its obvious KK got preference for English players - but he got to understand that fans have been spoilt with the likes of Xabi, Masch etc over the years - players who are technically very good and played a big part in the club's recent succeses.
He should at least try match this high standard. Starting young Henderson over Mereles or Aquilani is an insult to be honest.
I could be wrong though and these players could turn out to be the players who will take us to the 'next step'.
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GR wrote:COTR wrote:
I am more concerned that Henderson started ahead of Meireles or Aquilani than ahead of Kuyt.
Flanagan had a shocker. Might be the last time we see him for a while.
Unlike you I am not surprised.
Its obvious KK got preference for English players - but he got to understand that fans have been spoilt with the likes of Xabi, Masch etc over the years - players who are technically very good and played a big part in the club's recent succeses.
He should at least try match this high standard. Starting young Henderson over Mereles or Aquilani is an insult to be honest.
I could be wrong though and these players could turn out to be the players who will take us to the 'next step'.
This lad speaks sense
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Think he talks bollocks myself. An 'insult' indeed...
GR- Number of posts : 655
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Luis wrote:Think he talks bollocks myself. An 'insult' indeed...
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Luis Suarez is perhaps the greatest signing of the last 10 years. I know his goal was a tap in and the other one was an own goal but he played a part in both and just his sheer presence up front gives defenders nightmares.
I admit I was pissed off not to see him or Meireles on the team-sheet today but I can only hope/think that's because of fitness issues rather than Kenny preferring Henderson and Kuyt.
4 point from our opening 2 is what I hoped for and if we can beat Bolton at home I think it will give us a good platform to go to Stoke and Spurs away back to back in good stead. I imagine Gerrard will be ready to play by then and we'll have more sharpmess about us.
Defensively is where we've improved an awful lot under Dalglish so far - the defence that started today is the back 4 we should play every game when they're fit. Enrique looks to be a gem of a signing.
Still think we need to sort this Carroll issue out because it's not working for him at the moment.
I admit I was pissed off not to see him or Meireles on the team-sheet today but I can only hope/think that's because of fitness issues rather than Kenny preferring Henderson and Kuyt.
4 point from our opening 2 is what I hoped for and if we can beat Bolton at home I think it will give us a good platform to go to Stoke and Spurs away back to back in good stead. I imagine Gerrard will be ready to play by then and we'll have more sharpmess about us.
Defensively is where we've improved an awful lot under Dalglish so far - the defence that started today is the back 4 we should play every game when they're fit. Enrique looks to be a gem of a signing.
Still think we need to sort this Carroll issue out because it's not working for him at the moment.
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3 points
Adams - our setpieces finally causing some problems
Agger - lets hope he keeps fit.
Kelly - encouraging - one for the future. Glen Johnson though should still be first choice when fit.
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Zero Creativity
Toothless going forward and/or lack of it - until the sending off.
Henderson - still doesn't look like a footballer yet - let alone an £18m signing. There's just nothing there. How he got 90 minutes when we had better options I do not know.
Worrying
Downing looking ordinary against piss poor fullbacks
KK: "It was a fantasic game of football, First half was a very good exhibition on what the premier league is all about".
3 points
Adams - our setpieces finally causing some problems
Agger - lets hope he keeps fit.
Kelly - encouraging - one for the future. Glen Johnson though should still be first choice when fit.
-ve's
Zero Creativity
Toothless going forward and/or lack of it - until the sending off.
Henderson - still doesn't look like a footballer yet - let alone an £18m signing. There's just nothing there. How he got 90 minutes when we had better options I do not know.
Worrying
Downing looking ordinary against piss poor fullbacks
KK: "It was a fantasic game of football, First half was a very good exhibition on what the premier league is all about".
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Thought Downing had a really good game myself. He caused problems both when he played down the line and when he cut inside.
Still don't know how anyone could prefer Johnson over Kelly at right back - in his Liverpool career at right back Johnson has for the most part been a liability whereas Kelly has been solid and shown he can go forward too when ever he has played.
I agree we didn't play as well as we could have in an attacking sense but I think we set our stall out to make it tight, deny Arsenal any opportunities (because don't forget they still had RVP, Nasri and Walcott on the pitch) and then bring on the players that can make things happen at exactly the right time.
Still don't know how anyone could prefer Johnson over Kelly at right back - in his Liverpool career at right back Johnson has for the most part been a liability whereas Kelly has been solid and shown he can go forward too when ever he has played.
I agree we didn't play as well as we could have in an attacking sense but I think we set our stall out to make it tight, deny Arsenal any opportunities (because don't forget they still had RVP, Nasri and Walcott on the pitch) and then bring on the players that can make things happen at exactly the right time.
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Downing was certainly better than Adam who hit as many bad set pieces as he did good..
GR- Number of posts : 655
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Johnson is more experienced, and more of a threat going forward than Kelly. We need more forward thinking players I feel.
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Also, when the likes of Henderson or Kuyt are playing "on the right", someone like Johnson can give you width down that flank.
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Johnson is one of our top bracket players along with Reina, Gerrard and Suarez ( and Agger if he ever stayed fit long enough). He was exceptional at left back last season and I have no doubt he will be the same when he returns to his usual position this season.
Carroll is becoming more and more pointless with every game. His lack of movement is the most evident aspect of his game. He might improve when Gerrard returns but Gerrard knocking balls at him at every opportunity isn't really the style of football we want to be seeing. Unless he miraculously becomes more mobile I fear we'll be taking a massive loss on him in 12 months.
Carroll is becoming more and more pointless with every game. His lack of movement is the most evident aspect of his game. He might improve when Gerrard returns but Gerrard knocking balls at him at every opportunity isn't really the style of football we want to be seeing. Unless he miraculously becomes more mobile I fear we'll be taking a massive loss on him in 12 months.
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COTR wrote:Johnson is one of our top bracket players along with Reina, Gerrard and Suarez ( and Agger if he ever stayed fit long enough). He was exceptional at left back last season and I have no doubt he will be the same when he returns to his usual position this season.
Carroll is becoming more and more pointless with every game. His lack of movement is the most evident aspect of his game. He might improve when Gerrard returns but Gerrard knocking balls at him at every opportunity isn't really the style of football we want to be seeing. Unless he miraculously becomes more mobile I fear we'll be taking a massive loss on him in 12 months.
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Downing was easily Liverpool's best player yesterday, aside from Suarez who came on for a cameo against a tiring defence.
It's fair to say he's massively underrated on the whole (if you ignore his fee for a moment), both in England and abroad.
The decent thing about Downing is he is getting better and better each season, constantly improving. He'll never be a Robinho type player oozing flair, but that is the point though, he's more effective than Robinho will ever be - direct with excellent final delivery.
Regarding Carroll - balls need to be coming into the box from out wide for him to attack aerially facing goal. He needs to be involved in the final phases of play, not the beginning (cos he's hopelessly immobile).
So far in his Liverpool career he seems to have been playing so much of it with his back to goal getting the ball too early in build up and slowing everything down (exactly the problem we have with Crouch at Spurs). That's because Liverpool play through the middle so much, they need to play with more width, get behind the fullbacks and passes/crosses across goal to Carroll for him to be effective. Instead of straight balls down the middle. I imagine with Enrique and Downing this will happen more often, but someone also needs to tell Carragher and co.
It's fair to say he's massively underrated on the whole (if you ignore his fee for a moment), both in England and abroad.
The decent thing about Downing is he is getting better and better each season, constantly improving. He'll never be a Robinho type player oozing flair, but that is the point though, he's more effective than Robinho will ever be - direct with excellent final delivery.
Regarding Carroll - balls need to be coming into the box from out wide for him to attack aerially facing goal. He needs to be involved in the final phases of play, not the beginning (cos he's hopelessly immobile).
So far in his Liverpool career he seems to have been playing so much of it with his back to goal getting the ball too early in build up and slowing everything down (exactly the problem we have with Crouch at Spurs). That's because Liverpool play through the middle so much, they need to play with more width, get behind the fullbacks and passes/crosses across goal to Carroll for him to be effective. Instead of straight balls down the middle. I imagine with Enrique and Downing this will happen more often, but someone also needs to tell Carragher and co.
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COTR wrote:
Carroll is becoming more and more pointless with every game. His lack of movement is the most evident aspect of his game. He might improve when Gerrard returns but Gerrard knocking balls at him at every opportunity isn't really the style of football we want to be seeing. Unless he miraculously becomes more mobile I fear we'll be taking a massive loss on him in 12 months.
2 games into the season?
I have faith that Carroll will justify his signing, if not his fee. Let's see a team try to park the bus against us ala Liverp0-0l 2008/9.
Are we done with our signings this window? I keep seeing us linked with Dann/Shawcross/Cahill but I still think we need a bit of pace in the squad. A Walcott/Lennon type from the bench would provide nice synergy with Downing/Carroll. Junior Hoilett maybe.
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I'd imagine we wont bring anyone else in unless Skrtel/Agger suffered a long term injury between now and the end of the window. From those 3 centre backs I'd prefer Cahill then Shawcross. Not fussed for Dann - don't think he's better than any of the 3 centre backs we already have. Shawcross is young and could definitely replace Carragher because he's no nonsense rather than playing out from the back. Cahill would cost a high fee and IMO is more a replacement for Agger than Carragher but only United spend such large fees on defenders who sit on the bench so I'm not sure.
A bit of pace would be nice in the side - I still assume we're going to ship out Joe Cole, Poulsen and Ngog along with Aquilani so options from the bench in an attacking sense is only really Kuyt and Maxi who don't possess a lot of pace.
Some of our youngsters have pace in abundance (I'm thinking Sterling and Silva, even Suso) but they're not ready yet so it would be nice to have a bit of experience on the bench - Jarvis for me would be an excellent addition but Wolves would be unlikely to sell. I'd even like us to sign Benayoun back on a free, especially when Aquilani goes.
A bit of pace would be nice in the side - I still assume we're going to ship out Joe Cole, Poulsen and Ngog along with Aquilani so options from the bench in an attacking sense is only really Kuyt and Maxi who don't possess a lot of pace.
Some of our youngsters have pace in abundance (I'm thinking Sterling and Silva, even Suso) but they're not ready yet so it would be nice to have a bit of experience on the bench - Jarvis for me would be an excellent addition but Wolves would be unlikely to sell. I'd even like us to sign Benayoun back on a free, especially when Aquilani goes.
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Why would you want to replace or back up Carragher with a like-for-like "no-nonsense, hoof it away, insert additional English CB cliches here" player? What's wrong with having more defenders who can play it out of defense?
Defenders that can pass it out, can also hoof it if required/trained (in fact, their clearances may even have a bit of direction on them). But defenders that hoof it, can't usually be trained with the ability to pass it out (unless they're young).
Defenders that can pass it out, can also hoof it if required/trained (in fact, their clearances may even have a bit of direction on them). But defenders that hoof it, can't usually be trained with the ability to pass it out (unless they're young).
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fcb wrote:Why would you want to replace or back up Carragher with a like-for-like "no-nonsense, hoof it away, insert additional English CB cliches here" player? What's wrong with having more defenders who can play it out of defense?
Defenders that can pass it out, can also hoof it if required/trained (in fact, their clearances may even have a bit of direction on them). But defenders that hoof it, can't usually be trained with the ability to pass it out (unless they're young).
Because in the Premier League you need someone like that. In Spain, most of the play is outside the box, in England you have to be able to defend in your own area at times and get your body in the way and then just clear it - no messing about.
Carragher has been a brilliant defender over the last 10 years - As important to us as Puyol has been for Barca. If we lose the solidty that he's brought and try to play a foreign style with 2 centre backs who can maybe pass it out but don't know how to defend backs against the wall then we'll concede a lot of goals. I'm all for Agger to roam forward but the other centre back shouldn't go past the halfway line.
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These are two different things:
1. Being able to pass it out (ie. when you have the ball)
2. Defending by getting your body in the way, no messing about, with your back to the wall, etc. etc. (ie. when you don't have the ball)
It's quite possible for a defender to have one but not the other (example: Carragher) and it's quite possible for a defender to be able to do both (example: Puyol, Lucio).
I accept your point that it's important to have someone in the Premier league that can do the former, but once he's won the ball or made the tackle or block, it's not mandatory for him to hoof it away. Of course, if the manager wants Puyol to do so, he could hoof it away. But he can also pass it out, or at least, clear long with his head up.
1. Being able to pass it out (ie. when you have the ball)
2. Defending by getting your body in the way, no messing about, with your back to the wall, etc. etc. (ie. when you don't have the ball)
It's quite possible for a defender to have one but not the other (example: Carragher) and it's quite possible for a defender to be able to do both (example: Puyol, Lucio).
I accept your point that it's important to have someone in the Premier league that can do the former, but once he's won the ball or made the tackle or block, it's not mandatory for him to hoof it away. Of course, if the manager wants Puyol to do so, he could hoof it away. But he can also pass it out, or at least, clear long with his head up.
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kas, don't get too caught up with the passing thing, I'm sure what Luis means is we would replace Carragher with a bastard and Agger with a fairy. Shawcross is a bastard, Cahill is a fairy. It's the modern dynamic for centreback partnerships.
Yes it is possible for a player to be both a bastard and a fairy (Ferdinand goes both ways for example) but at this time we'd be looking for a bastard.
Yes it is possible for a player to be both a bastard and a fairy (Ferdinand goes both ways for example) but at this time we'd be looking for a bastard.
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Nicely put Hysen
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See what happens when Meireles comes on? Fuck Henderson, keep starting Raul and Suarez
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keep starting Raul and Suarez on the bench?
because that worked yesterday
because that worked yesterday
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Glemon Party wrote:keep starting Raul and Suarez on the bench?
because that worked yesterday
Yeah I meant start them, my whole point and the post yesterday is that they should be starting.
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Raul looked pretty angry when we scored, did anyone see the pictures of him sticking his finger up to Lucas as a joke about what Frimpong did? He still looked pretty riled up.
As I said, I think them two on the bench is a fitness thing at the minute but gradually they'll start ahead of Kuyt and Henderson. Gerrard will replace Adam when he returns as well.
As I said, I think them two on the bench is a fitness thing at the minute but gradually they'll start ahead of Kuyt and Henderson. Gerrard will replace Adam when he returns as well.
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Luis wrote:Raul looked pretty angry when we scored, did anyone see the pictures of him sticking his finger up to Lucas as a joke about what Frimpong did? He still looked pretty riled up.
As I said, I think them two on the bench is a fitness thing at the minute but gradually they'll start ahead of Kuyt and Henderson. Gerrard will replace Adam when he returns as well.
Thats not generally a bad thing, passionate laddddd.
Do you have a picture of this?
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