Liverpool FC Thread 2011-2012

I'm all for waiting until the end of the season, it wouldn't be fair to sack him now. I said exactly the same about Pardew btw, I will judge him at the end of 11/12. My point is that I am feeling quite smug about my Dalglish prediction, I feel that everything is going well there for me. That's all.

Kimbo wrote:I'm all for waiting until the end of the season, it wouldn't be fair to sack him now. I said exactly the same about Pardew btw, I will judge him at the end of 11/12. My point is that I am feeling quite smug about my Dalglish prediction, I feel that everything is going well there for me. That's all.

Eh, what about your Dalglish prediction last year ?

That was rather shit wasn't it

COTR wrote:

Kimbo wrote:I'm all for waiting until the end of the season, it wouldn't be fair to sack him now. I said exactly the same about Pardew btw, I will judge him at the end of 11/12. My point is that I am feeling quite smug about my Dalglish prediction, I feel that everything is going well there for me. That's all.

Eh, what about your Dalglish prediction last year ?

That was rather shit wasn't it

I said he might do well like Roeder did when he was caretaker here, but that long term he was not the right choice. I made the same call with Roeder btw.

Kimbo wrote:

COTR wrote:

Kimbo wrote:I'm all for waiting until the end of the season, it wouldn't be fair to sack him now. I said exactly the same about Pardew btw, I will judge him at the end of 11/12. My point is that I am feeling quite smug about my Dalglish prediction, I feel that everything is going well there for me. That's all.

Eh, what about your Dalglish prediction last year ?

That was rather shit wasn't it

I said he might do well like Roeder did when he was caretaker here, but that long term he was not the right choice. I made the same call with Roeder btw.

You said he would be shit and would be no better than Hodgson

You were wrong last season, let's hope for the same again this year

COTR wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

COTR wrote:

Kimbo wrote:I'm all for waiting until the end of the season, it wouldn't be fair to sack him now. I said exactly the same about Pardew btw, I will judge him at the end of 11/12. My point is that I am feeling quite smug about my Dalglish prediction, I feel that everything is going well there for me. That's all.

Eh, what about your Dalglish prediction last year ?

That was rather shit wasn't it

I said he might do well like Roeder did when he was caretaker here, but that long term he was not the right choice. I made the same call with Roeder btw.

You said he would be shit and would be no better than Hodgson

You were wrong last season, let's hope for the same again this year

You're full of horseshit. I know what I said and a little, ginger, pot-bellied, drunk Irishman isn't going to correct me.

Is this going to be another one of these 'I'll be flabbergasted if Murray is ever a top five player' situations ?

Deny, deny, oops, shift the goalposts to something else..........

You're the one that rewrites history Paddy. I'm 100% about what I said about KKK.

you're both right, Kimbo initially wrote off Dalglish completely, saying he was a shit manager who would sign a bunch of his golfing buddies. After Dalglish starting to win games with a depleted squad, fielding youth players Kimbo explained that Dalglish was merely doing what Glen Roeder had done at Newcastle.

Perhaps the impression people are getting is that All Liverpool Fans believe that Dalglish is a great manager who will win the league repeatedly. I think the reality is that he is a Liverpool legend who won the league as a player, a player-manager and as a manager, who took over following a difficult period in the clubs history. The optimism can't be so difficult to understand, yet some people seem intent on telling us that the glass is half empty.

Luis wrote: Carroll simply doesn't fit our style of play. He's trying hard and I can see how he might be a really good player for some teams but not for the style we've been implementing under Dalglish. So for me, that is Kenny's biggest failure so far and ultimately leaves us with a big problem in where do we go from here with him; do we persist in trying to encourage a partnership with Suarez that doesn't ever look like it will flourish or do we accept our mistake and try and flog him off to Spurs?

I did read the rest of it Louise, but you've let yourself down here massively Now isn't the time to be insinuating Spurs are some kind of small, subservient club willing to take a striker who bears absolutely no resemblance to the type of football we play. I'll let you off as it seems you've chucked this in as bait, and therefore you've proven yourself quite the fisherman.

But perhaps the more realistic scenario is we flog you Pienaar and Kranjcar, neither of whom good enough to get into our side but would be an immediate improvement on what you have at Anfield (better than both Downing and Henderson). 30 million please Kenneth

I like Dalglish. I don't think he should be sacked. The opinions or stats weren't mine, but I quoted them (hey, partly to offer some other. alternative scouse perspective) to suggest that the accepted narrative is indeed somewhat out of kilter with the reality. If you lot don't want to know, fine, but it makes for a pretty boring board in general and Liverpool debate in particular.

I try to be reasonably sensitive when contributing on club threads because it pisses me off when people post wind-ups or unpleasantness on mine, and given that in general this is not United or Spurs, but a club I quite like, I am hardly likely to be aiming to get a rise. Never mind.

Allez les rouges wrote:I like Dalglish. I don't think he should be sacked. The opinions or stats weren't mine, but I quoted them (hey, partly to offer some other. alternative scouse perspective) to suggest that the accepted narrative is indeed somewhat out of kilter with the reality. If you lot don't want to know, fine, but it makes for a pretty boring board in general and Liverpool debate in particular.

perhaps if your friend had attended one of our party line meetings, or if you had fact-checked his "stats" then you would have got somewhere, I still don't know what your point is.

I can see why Liverpool fans would be happy. Everyone seems to be being kind to him since he is "a very nice man", but Hodgson was shit. From my memory the biggest failure of a manager to be appointed to a big club in the premiership (ok I may be exaggerating but I honestly can't think of a worse example off the top of my head). Liverpool fans were probably so happy just to get rid of him that anyone would have been well received.

Anyone who is now comparing what Liverpool were like under Hodgson and currently are either not using their eyes or their brains while watching games.

It seems like the points from Newcastle and Arsenal fans are not about how Liverpool play, but about net spend.
Are Newcastle having a good season? yes, better than expected but may drop off a bit
Are Arsenal having a good season? yes, would be top of the league if not for the bad start
Are Liverpool having a good season? No, net spend and Carroll is shit

Admittedly Carroll is looking a bit shit, but Liverpool are only 3 points behind both Arsenal and Newcastle. It doesn't take much to change the current situation, the usual half-season injury to RVP, a few games against half-decent opposition for Newcastle, and the dropping of Andy Carroll. Well within the realms of possibility.

Liverpool are a whole lot more fun to watch today than they have been in a few seasons, but they share one thing in common with their Red Sox brethren - the ability and tendency to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. The fulham match was a masterclass in dominating without defeating, as is the case so many times. I think it's true that 'Pool see some incredible goal keeping in defense, and some of the luck against them can be pretty outlandish, but the team can't close out a game for shit.

Noah und der Bale wrote:

Luis wrote: Carroll simply doesn't fit our style of play. He's trying hard and I can see how he might be a really good player for some teams but not for the style we've been implementing under Dalglish. So for me, that is Kenny's biggest failure so far and ultimately leaves us with a big problem in where do we go from here with him; do we persist in trying to encourage a partnership with Suarez that doesn't ever look like it will flourish or do we accept our mistake and try and flog him off to Spurs?

I did read the rest of it Louise, but you've let yourself down here massively Now isn't the time to be insinuating Spurs are some kind of small, subservient club willing to take a striker who bears absolutely no resemblance to the type of football we play. I'll let you off as it seems you've chucked this in as bait, and therefore you've proven yourself quite the fisherman.

But perhaps the more realistic scenario is we flog you Pienaar and Kranjcar, neither of whom good enough to get into our side but would be an immediate improvement on what you have at Anfield (better than both Downing and Henderson). 30 million please Kenneth

The hard truth for Luis to face is accepting that Tottenham Hotspur are better than Liverpool, and that this has been the case for over 2 years. And he's not the only one. I've seen some of what has been written about us on RAWK.

Deluded F*ck wrote:

Noah und der Bale wrote:

Luis wrote: Carroll simply doesn't fit our style of play. He's trying hard and I can see how he might be a really good player for some teams but not for the style we've been implementing under Dalglish. So for me, that is Kenny's biggest failure so far and ultimately leaves us with a big problem in where do we go from here with him; do we persist in trying to encourage a partnership with Suarez that doesn't ever look like it will flourish or do we accept our mistake and try and flog him off to Spurs?

I did read the rest of it Louise, but you've let yourself down here massively Now isn't the time to be insinuating Spurs are some kind of small, subservient club willing to take a striker who bears absolutely no resemblance to the type of football we play. I'll let you off as it seems you've chucked this in as bait, and therefore you've proven yourself quite the fisherman.

But perhaps the more realistic scenario is we flog you Pienaar and Kranjcar, neither of whom good enough to get into our side but would be an immediate improvement on what you have at Anfield (better than both Downing and Henderson). 30 million please Kenneth

The hard truth for Luis to face is accepting that Tottenham Hotspur are better than Liverpool, and that this has been the case for over 2 years. And he's not the only one. I've seen some of what has been written about us on RAWK.

Spurs are better than Liverpool but I know 'Arry is going to fuck it up somewhere, just you wait

Daniel Levy will make sure he doesn't.

Imagine if Redknapp had signed Downing, Henderson and Carroll for a combined total of 60+ million instead of Parker, Adebayor and Friedel for 5 million

Noah und der Bale wrote:Imagine if Redknapp had signed Downing, Henderson and Carroll for a combined total of 60+ million instead of Parker, Adebayor and Friedel for 5 million

He certainly wouldn't need to worry about replacing all of them within a couple of seasons...

fcb wrote:

Noah und der Bale wrote:Imagine if Redknapp had signed Downing, Henderson and Carroll for a combined total of 60+ million instead of Parker, Adebayor and Friedel for 5 million

He certainly wouldn't need to worry about replacing all of them within a couple of seasons...

Is this a cruel joke? How long do you think those 3 will get away with playing as they have been doing this season before Kenny loses patience and replaces them anyway? I'm pretty confident at least 2 of those 3 will be sold, loaned or permanent squad members at best by the beginning of next season.

Meanwhile, we have Sandro as replacement for Parker, and at least a season (Adebayor) or two (Friedel) to find replacements without having to resort to panic buying. As opposed to worrying about when he's going to fuck up, I'd say that was very clever business by 'Arry (and Levy)

Barry Glenison wrote:you're both right, Kimbo initially wrote off Dalglish completely, saying he was a shit manager who would sign a bunch of his golfing buddies. After Dalglish starting to win games with a depleted squad, fielding youth players Kimbo explained that Dalglish was merely doing what Glen Roeder had done at Newcastle.

COTR wrote:Is this going to be another one of these 'I'll be flabbergasted if Murray is ever a top five player' situations ?

Deny, deny, oops, shift the goalposts to something else..........

Pot bellied chins

Noah und der Bale wrote:

fcb wrote:

Noah und der Bale wrote:Imagine if Redknapp had signed Downing, Henderson and Carroll for a combined total of 60+ million instead of Parker, Adebayor and Friedel for 5 million

He certainly wouldn't need to worry about replacing all of them within a couple of seasons...

Is this a cruel joke? How long do you think those 3 will get away with playing as they have been doing this season before Kenny loses patience and replaces them anyway? I'm pretty confident at least 2 of those 3 will be sold, loaned or permanent squad members at best by the beginning of next season.

Meanwhile, we have Sandro as replacement for Parker, and at least a season (Adebayor) or two (Friedel) to find replacements without having to resort to panic buying. As opposed to worrying about when he's going to fuck up, I'd say that was very clever business by 'Arry (and Levy)

Yeah but at least there's a chance that those 3 will come good (well, ok, maybe not Henderson...wtf is he good at exactly ), if not under Dalglish, then perhaps another manager. Or if they do get sold, Liverpool may at least get a few odd million for them. And their wages aren't likely to be much.

Whereas with the Spurs trio, there's no maybes. No matter how well they play now, it's guaranteed to be all over in 1 or 2 seasons time. Good short term fix, but not quite long term value.

Note I'm not saying that one set of players is better than the other, or one set of signings is better than the other. I'm purely trying to point out that the 55m gap is heavily influenced by age/potential.

Granted, I understand your point, but 65million is a lot to spend on potential when you're a massive club like Liverpool who need CL football asap (Well, in fairness Downing was a proven EPL winger and SHOULD be the most successful of the 3, but he's struggled big time).

'Arry's signing might be shorter term, but stop gaps doesn't really credit the fact that for 5 million we have 3 experienced players who have delivered / substantially improved the team from day one. End up qualifying for the CL, and that 5 million will have made a substantial return, giving us both the financial muscle and the lure of top European football to replace them without having to offer premium wages (which is the case for top players if you can't offer them CL football). It's then far easier to buy potential in that position

I'm willing to write Carroll off to be honest. There is just no real quality there. He is just a lump. Don't really see where the improvement will come.

Henderson needs to work on attitude more than anything. The talent and technique is definitely there with him, just needs a bit of the Gerrard / Suarez cuntishness about him. If I was betting I would say he'll come good but of course, why buy him in the first place when you already have Aquilani and Meireles.

Downing is a weird case. Let's hope it is just a settling in period because he is certainly better than he is showing at the minute. Too early for judgement on him.

Dalglish has done a great job in terms of restoring belief, style and structure to the team. He ( with the aid of Comolli) just stopped himself from making an even greater improvement through a few terrible transfer decisions.

Mistakes have been made but the overall experience has most definitely been positive to date. Just a pity he bought English.

Noah und der Bale wrote:Imagine if Redknapp had signed Downing, Henderson and Carroll for a combined total of 60+ million instead of Parker, Adebayor and Friedel for 5 million

rather than admit this was a stupid comparison we now have a drawn out exchange between yourself and bacon kasani which only serves to make fools of you both. Fools and ignoramuses: Say less and retain your dignity.

110% wrote:a few games against half-decent opposition for Newcastle

The Liverpool thread has never been more popular Glennda. Instead of whining, just be thankful.

Adam Johnson. I could see him at Liverpool, and being a major success. But by then Kenny might have given up on buying English.

Still think Downing will come good, he is decent. Other 2 will be expensive write offs I reckon

Henderson is Jenas mk.II

Has ability and potential, but just lacks the positive aggression and authority to apply it on a consistent basis.

Henderson will come good. Downing is better than he's showing but he was never anything special to begin with and isn't exactly that young either.

If we buy Arshavin I will riot.

Kimbo wrote:

110% wrote:a few games against half-decent opposition for Newcastle

A few games against teams up and around you and you would drop points. While I am not the southern media (ie blatantly against Newcastle) I don't think they can maintain their position in the table. You had that early momentum and gained confidence from it to beat the mediocre teams you played. Your recent losses against Chelsea, Man City etc dent the confidence, you are bound to get a few injuries, find your bench is a bit shit, other teams strengthen in jan while you have no money or think you don't need to do anything, and then your wins against the mediocre teams turn into draws or losses, then by the end you find yourself in about the right position in the table, somewhere around the middle, just boosted by the form shown in the early part of the season.