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Kimbo wrote:

Luis wrote:41 fans had the potential to live after the '3:15 cut off point'. Scandalous.

Glad the truth is finally out but the families have had to live with these ransid lies for 23 years whilst ignorant people who don't understand have condemned Liverpool as a 'self pity city' and tried to blame it on the fans. Hope they have all changed their tune.

Calm down Lulu, I don't think anyone is surprised that the game was badly organised and that police lie.

You said on page 1, fans came ticketless and forced their entry and said the fans had a part to play. The reports today say there's no evidence whatsoever for any fan responsibility. You just believed the lies of the government, the police and the tabloids to cover up their own massive failings. I knew you never really understood anyway; you just chose to believe what suited you like a lot of others.

Luis wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

Luis wrote:41 fans had the potential to live after the '3:15 cut off point'. Scandalous.

Glad the truth is finally out but the families have had to live with these ransid lies for 23 years whilst ignorant people who don't understand have condemned Liverpool as a 'self pity city' and tried to blame it on the fans. Hope they have all changed their tune.

Calm down Lulu, I don't think anyone is surprised that the game was badly organised and that police lie.

You said on page 1, fans came ticketless and forced their entry and said the fans had a part to play. The reports today say there's no evidence whatsoever for any fan responsibility. You just believed the lies of the government, the police and the tabloids to cover up their own massive failings. I knew you never really understood anyway; you just chose to believe what suited you like a lot of others.

I expect many did turn up with out tickets, but how would it be proved? People turning up without tickets was a common occurrence back then, the idea that this game was an exception, with the end result of 96 dead people, seems a bit far-fetched to me.

Kimbo wrote:

Luis wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

Luis wrote:41 fans had the potential to live after the '3:15 cut off point'. Scandalous.

Glad the truth is finally out but the families have had to live with these ransid lies for 23 years whilst ignorant people who don't understand have condemned Liverpool as a 'self pity city' and tried to blame it on the fans. Hope they have all changed their tune.

Calm down Lulu, I don't think anyone is surprised that the game was badly organised and that police lie.

You said on page 1, fans came ticketless and forced their entry and said the fans had a part to play. The reports today say there's no evidence whatsoever for any fan responsibility. You just believed the lies of the government, the police and the tabloids to cover up their own massive failings. I knew you never really understood anyway; you just chose to believe what suited you like a lot of others.

I expect many did turn up with out tickets, but how would it be proved? People turning up without tickets was a common occurrence back then, the idea that this game was an exception, with the end result of 96 dead people, seems a bit far-fetched to me.

There was no evidence found in the detailed reports for ticketless fans Kimmy. Even if the odd few did, it was not the fans fault for what happened. It was solely down to the police and emergency services not acting in a responsible manner and then the cover up for 23 years is quite sinister and disgusting really.

Were any of your family affected, Luis?

Luis wrote:
There was no evidence found in the detailed reports for ticketless fans Kimmy. Even if the odd few did, it was not the fans fault for what happened. It was solely down to the police and emergency services not acting in a responsible manner and then the cover up for 23 years is quite sinister and disgusting really.

I'm not surprised there was no evidence, things were different back then, who knows who was there and who wasn't? Attendence figures were generally inaccurate even for normal games. I bet there are plenty of scousers claiming they were there when they weren't, impossible to prove one way or the other.

Fans

Some people might say that what happened at Hillsborough was karma for what the Liverpool fans did at Heysel.

Please form an orderly queue here to troll Lewis.

I'm just interested to see where Liverpool fans go from here. Will we see an end to this sort of thing?

Kimbo wrote:

Luis wrote:
There was no evidence found in the detailed reports for ticketless fans Kimmy. Even if the odd few did, it was not the fans fault for what happened. It was solely down to the police and emergency services not acting in a responsible manner and then the cover up for 23 years is quite sinister and disgusting really.

I'm not surprised there was no evidence, things were different back then, who knows who was there and who wasn't? Attendence figures were generally inaccurate even for normal games. I bet there are plenty of scousers claiming they were there when they weren't, impossible to prove one way or the other.

So any crime committed before the 90s you're saying it's impossible to prove?

christmasborocooper wrote:Were any of your family affected, Luis?

No.

Point ?

Luis wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

Luis wrote:
There was no evidence found in the detailed reports for ticketless fans Kimmy. Even if the odd few did, it was not the fans fault for what happened. It was solely down to the police and emergency services not acting in a responsible manner and then the cover up for 23 years is quite sinister and disgusting really.

I'm not surprised there was no evidence, things were different back then, who knows who was there and who wasn't? Attendence figures were generally inaccurate even for normal games. I bet there are plenty of scousers claiming they were there when they weren't, impossible to prove one way or the other.

So any crime committed before the 90s you're saying it's impossible to prove?

No, i'm saying crowd control was poor in EVERY way back then, people often sneaked in without tickets easily, there was little surveillance, and the attendances were basically guesstimates.

Kimbo wrote:

Luis wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

Luis wrote:
There was no evidence found in the detailed reports for ticketless fans Kimmy. Even if the odd few did, it was not the fans fault for what happened. It was solely down to the police and emergency services not acting in a responsible manner and then the cover up for 23 years is quite sinister and disgusting really.

I'm not surprised there was no evidence, things were different back then, who knows who was there and who wasn't? Attendence figures were generally inaccurate even for normal games. I bet there are plenty of scousers claiming they were there when they weren't, impossible to prove one way or the other.

So any crime committed before the 90s you're saying it's impossible to prove?

No, i'm saying crowd control was poor in EVERY way back then, people often sneaked in without tickets easily, there was little surveillance, and the attendances were basically guesstimates.

What don't you understand about the fans having no blame attached to them whatsoever. The lies about urinating on dead bodies, pick pocketing etc- it was all a cover up so the police didn't get the blame. Can't you see why that would hurt and anger families and fans?

Luis wrote:What don't you understand about the fans having no blame attached to them whatsoever. The lies about urinating on dead bodies, pick pocketing etc- it was all a cover up so the police didn't get the blame. Can't you see why that would hurt and anger families and fans?

I'm sure that would hurt them. Do you understand that millions of people around the country are sick of being bothered by Liverpool fans about this subject, each one acting like a martyr?

Kimbo wrote:

Luis wrote:What don't you understand about the fans having no blame attached to them whatsoever. The lies about urinating on dead bodies, pick pocketing etc- it was all a cover up so the police didn't get the blame. Can't you see why that would hurt and anger families and fans?

I'm sure that would hurt them. Do you understand that millions of people around the country are sick of being bothered by Liverpool fans about this subject, each one acting like a martyr?

I don't really think Liverpool fans give a shit if people aren't 'bothered', Kimbo. I'm sure if you'd been around in Nazi Germany, you wouldn't be bothered that millions of innocent people were getting gassed to death either.

When the people of Liverpool, the fans that went to watch a game of football and tried to help their friends, some family, some just fellow supporters, only to be blamed for the disaster as a cover up for 23 years, had to feel guilt and shame for doing nothing wrong and having to hear cowards like Mckenzie invent filthy lies about their actions that day, fight for what has happened today, I can't blame them at all. If your family member died and you never knew why or who was to blame for 23 years you'd be a bit pissed as well.

And this isn't the end either. The truth is out, now time for justice. The people that were responsible must pay now.

Luis wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

Luis wrote:What don't you understand about the fans having no blame attached to them whatsoever. The lies about urinating on dead bodies, pick pocketing etc- it was all a cover up so the police didn't get the blame. Can't you see why that would hurt and anger families and fans?

I'm sure that would hurt them. Do you understand that millions of people around the country are sick of being bothered by Liverpool fans about this subject, each one acting like a martyr?

I don't really think Liverpool fans give a shit if people aren't 'bothered', Kimbo. I'm sure if you'd been around in Nazi Germany, you wouldn't be bothered that millions of innocent people were getting gassed to death either.

When the people of Liverpool, the fans that went to watch a game of football and tried to help their friends, some family, some just fellow supporters, only to be blamed for the disaster as a cover up for 23 years, had to feel guilt and shame for doing nothing wrong and having to hear cowards like Mckenzie invent filthy lies about their actions that day, fight for what has happened today, I can't blame them at all. If your family member died and you never knew why or who was to blame for 23 years you'd be a bit pissed as well.

And this isn't the end either. The truth is out, now time for justice. The people that were responsible must pay now.

You can't compare this to ethnic cleansing. Liverpool fans clearly do care what people think, as if you say something on the subject that doesn't suit the Liverpool fan, the Liverpool fan acts like you have kicked it's baby.

Kimbo wrote:

Luis wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

Luis wrote:What don't you understand about the fans having no blame attached to them whatsoever. The lies about urinating on dead bodies, pick pocketing etc- it was all a cover up so the police didn't get the blame. Can't you see why that would hurt and anger families and fans?

I'm sure that would hurt them. Do you understand that millions of people around the country are sick of being bothered by Liverpool fans about this subject, each one acting like a martyr?

I don't really think Liverpool fans give a shit if people aren't 'bothered', Kimbo. I'm sure if you'd been around in Nazi Germany, you wouldn't be bothered that millions of innocent people were getting gassed to death either.

When the people of Liverpool, the fans that went to watch a game of football and tried to help their friends, some family, some just fellow supporters, only to be blamed for the disaster as a cover up for 23 years, had to feel guilt and shame for doing nothing wrong and having to hear cowards like Mckenzie invent filthy lies about their actions that day, fight for what has happened today, I can't blame them at all. If your family member died and you never knew why or who was to blame for 23 years you'd be a bit pissed as well.

And this isn't the end either. The truth is out, now time for justice. The people that were responsible must pay now.

You can't compare this to ethnic cleansing. Liverpool fans clearly do care what people think, as if you say something on the subject that doesn't suit the Liverpool fan, the Liverpool fan acts like you have kicked it's baby.

Well there's not much more you can say really; the facts are there now in the report. I'm just glad people like you have finally been educated on this subject so there's no need for you to look foolish anymore

I don't think i've said anything foolish.

Really there is a lack of sympathy for Liverpool fans, because of the way they push the issue and seemingly refuse to acknowledge the huge part their own kind played in it.

I'll await your apology

Luis wrote:

Really there is a lack of sympathy for Liverpool fans, because of the way they push the issue and seemingly refuse to acknowledge the huge part their own kind played in it.

I'll await your apology

Ok.

Luis wrote:And this isn't the end either. The truth is out, now time for justice. The people that were responsible must pay now.

This is understandable, but at the same time, today seems like an ideal opportunity to get some form of closure. to say: okay the truth is out in the public, the government has apologised, we can't forget what happened but we can't undo it either.

What 'justice' is going to be deemed acceptable? That everyone who did anything wrong that contributed in any way to be in jail? It's never really going to be possible to boil it down to 'this person/these people are responsible for the death of these 96 people' without being very arbitrary, because so many different things contributed to the disaster.

maybe seems a defeatist attitude, but for the families, continuing the campaign and so on is just sentencing themselves to years and years more of interminable court cases which are unlikely to tell them anything they don't already know or that is not now already public knowledge. The campaign for truth has won & campaigns need to have an endpoint.

And having done my serious post, I'll add that there won't be any Justice for 96 until this man is made to pay for what he did to millions of innocent football fans

Spoiler:

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Luis wrote:

christmasborocooper wrote:Were any of your family affected, Luis?

No.

Point ?

Just wondering.

Ponce?

Merely playing the Devil's advocate here,

but I imagine Liverpool fans would have received more public sympathy over what was clearly an appalling event if they hadn't been responsible for killing a bunch of Italians not long before and caused English teams to be kicked out of European competitions for 5 years.

The Sun's coverage of the Hillsborough Tragedy was a disgrace though. That was before Redknapp was given his own column.

Murray wrote:Some people might say that what happened at Hillsborough was karma for what the Liverpool fans did at Heysel.

Fans

Hey Bobby, what's the difference between a cow and the Hillsborough disaster?

You can't keep milking a cow for 23 years

What's the difference between Liverpool and Tottenham?

16 league titles and 5 European Cups.

LOL.

In all seriousness, it's good to see Kelvin Mckenzie finally, officially being made to look like an utter c**t.

What a tool that man is.

Hey Luis - were you even born when the Hillsborough disaster occurred?

I've no issue with Liverpool's glittering history VS ours.

Still, pretty sad when two of your main summer targets don't give a shit about what happened pre 2005 and joined us instead.

Probably because we're a team looking to the future, not one constantly harping on about it's past.

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Disco Benny wrote:In all seriousness, it's good to see Kelvin Mckenzie being made to look like the utter c**t that he is.

What a tool that man is.

Hey Luis - were you even born when the Hillsborough disaster occurred?

I've no issue with Liverpool's glittering history VS ours.

Still, pretty sad when two of your main summer targets don't give a shit about what happened in 2005 and joined us instead.

Probably because we're a team looking to the future, not one constantly harping on about it's past.

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No, where you born during the world wars or the holocaust? Does that make them meaningless to you? Where you in America during 9/11? Does that mean it's a none event to you?

Sigurdsson rejected the chance to work with a manager who got the best out of him for higher wages, oh well. He's a poor man's Modric.

Dempsey no one really cared about, he's 29, is a c**t and Villas Boas probably wont even play him.

Chins