Ye Olde Overrated XI

Vermaelen and Silva in an overrated X1

RVP was close to making that XI..

Disco Benny wrote:

Fade out wrote:King definitely among better defenders to have played in PL last decade. But he's no Paul Mcgrath and certainly this season, he's been shite in later half.

He's only got ONE working knee!

And to be fair: from September to March, he was superb - which is at least 2/3's of the season.

He hasn't been "shite" so much as running on empty and not helped by being hung out to dry by some of the most pathetic collective team defending I've ever seen. Gallas has been beyond shit next to him in comparison. And the less said about Walker's form in 2012, the better.

And Paul Mcgrath played in an era when the Premier League wasn't so Premier at all. I distinctly remember him thinking he was rather slow even back then. Would not stand out in today's era IMO

Paul McGrath is the original godlike CB with only one knee. King is a mere imitator.

Deluded F*ck wrote:

COTR wrote:..............Krul

...P Jones...Carragher...King

Downing....Barry....Cahill....Balotelli
..............Lampard

........Hernandez...Dzeko

Nobody rates Barry anymore. Carragher and King are both finished. I do not know anybody with sane reasoning thought that Downing was a £20mil winger.

Krul is awesome.

----------------Friedel/Given

G.Johnson-----Shawcross----Vermaelen-------Baines

---------------------Lucas
-------------Parker(c)-----Cleverly
--------------------Lampard

--------------Suarez--------Dzeko

Captain Scotty

Leading by example!

For the EPL...I'll go with the following.

----------------Szczesny

Bosingwa-----Dann-----Jones-----Clichy

Giovani-----Lucas-----Palacios-----N'Zogbia

-----------Suarez-----Campbell

Jaime <3s Ozil+Khedira wrote:For the EPL...I'll go with the following.

----------------Szczesny

Bosingwa-----Dann-----Jones-----Clichy

Giovani-----Lucas-----Palacios-----N'Zogbia

-----------Suarez-----Campbell

That's probably the best shout in this whole thread. People think Clichy leaving Arsenal was a loss but that's far from the case. Gibbs is a much better player and will prove it if he stays fit.

Poor Giovani, can't even get a game for us, barely anyone knows he's even still alive, and yet is still deemed overrated

Romford Pele wrote:

Jaime <3s Ozil+Khedira wrote:For the EPL...I'll go with the following.

----------------Szczesny

Bosingwa-----Dann-----Jones-----Clichy

Giovani-----Lucas-----Palacios-----N'Zogbia

-----------Suarez-----Campbell

That's probably the best shout in this whole thread. People think Clichy leaving Arsenal was a loss but that's far from the case. Gibbs is a much better player and will prove it if he stays fit.

Hmm. Gibbs has yet to play anything like a full season so jury still out there. While I thought selling Clichy was good business, I'm pretty sure your defence would've been more stable this season if you'd still had him available.

I don't see him as over-rated 'cause he isn't exactly getting praised all the time, is he?

Disco Benny wrote:Poor Giovani, can't even get a game for us, barely anyone knows he's even still alive, and yet is still deemed overrated

He has been overrated since his days in la Masia. messiah was proclaiming he was 'the next Messi'. Even the other day TS was alluding to the fact that 'Arry wasn't using him...as if he would do anything even if he was used!

debaser wrote:

Romford Pele wrote:

Jaime <3s Ozil+Khedira wrote:For the EPL...I'll go with the following.

----------------Szczesny

Bosingwa-----Dann-----Jones-----Clichy

Giovani-----Lucas-----Palacios-----N'Zogbia

-----------Suarez-----Campbell

That's probably the best shout in this whole thread. People think Clichy leaving Arsenal was a loss but that's far from the case. Gibbs is a much better player and will prove it if he stays fit.

Hmm. Gibbs has yet to play anything like a full season so jury still out there. While I thought selling Clichy was good business, I'm pretty sure your defence would've been more stable this season if you'd still had him available.

I don't see him as over-rated 'cause he isn't exactly getting praised all the time, is he?

Well at least in some circles there are people that still think Clichy is one of the best left backs in the world. I was on a RM message board the other day and there was a clown saying we should dump Marcelo and Coentrao for Clichy.

Hmm, maybe he has more reputation abroad than he does here. I think if we were ranking best LBs in this league most would put him below Cole, Enrique, Baines, Evra (though Evra is not what he was) and group him with people like Assou-Ekotto.

Jaime <3s Ozil+Khedira wrote:

Disco Benny wrote:Poor Giovani, can't even get a game for us, barely anyone knows he's even still alive, and yet is still deemed overrated

He has been overrated since his days in la Masia. messiah was proclaiming he was 'the next Messi'. Even the other day TS was alluding to the fact that 'Arry wasn't using him...as if he would do anything even if he was used!

Fair enough.

He had an awesome pre season for us a couple of years back. Looks lightweight ever since then though.

I do think he deserved more playing time before being cast adrift. But then perhaps he failed to impress in training, and there is definitely an attitude problem there somewhere.

By the way, Jaime, can we please have Canales when he's finished at Valencia? I'm convinced that boy was born to play for Spurs. The Spanish Gazza in the making.

Unfortunately some players are rated just because they played for a specific club.

Clichy has numerous faults. His positional sense is awful, he dives in way too much and he offers absolutely nothing going forward. People seem to think he's good because he's quick but that couldn't be any further from the truth. His footballing ability is limited unlike Gibbs who is a very good player going forward while his height helps him defensively. He could bulk up a bit more though.

Clichy may have been a good option to have but i've lost count of the amount of points he's cost us over the past 5/6 years.

I also had the displeasure of looking at a massive poster of his four-year-old face on my ex-girlfriend's wall for a substantial period of time. That ugly baby-faced cretin

Disco Benny wrote:

Jaime <3s Ozil+Khedira wrote:

Disco Benny wrote:Poor Giovani, can't even get a game for us, barely anyone knows he's even still alive, and yet is still deemed overrated

He has been overrated since his days in la Masia. messiah was proclaiming he was 'the next Messi'. Even the other day TS was alluding to the fact that 'Arry wasn't using him...as if he would do anything even if he was used!

Fair enough.

He had an awesome pre season for us a couple of years back. Looks lightweight ever since then though.

I do think he deserved more playing time before being cast adrift. But then perhaps he failed to impress in training, and there is definitely an attitude problem there somewhere.

By the way, Jaime, can we please have Canales when he's finished at Valencia? I'm convinced that boy was born to play for Spurs. The Spanish Gazza in the making.

I still have hopes that after Jose leaves, there will be a place for him at Madrid. But if not, then yes you have my blessing to have him.

COTR wrote:..............Krul

You couldn't be more blatant.

Disco Benny wrote:Why the are people putting King in there?! IDIOTS ALL OF YOU!

He might be overrated on these board because of c**ts like TS and I,

but in the REAL World there is nothing overrated about King whatsoever! Was always overlooked for England even before his chronic knee injury, is never in the running for any of the big awards, has been usurped by Carragher for one of the best 10 defenders in the history of the Premier League FFS.

Romford Pele wrote:Vermaelen and Silva in an overrated X1

Also I don't get Balotelli being on people's list. He is a really good player and has proven that many times this season even if he is crazy.

Also TRWP, I'm not sure you would want Canales. He is yet to prove he is good enough. He has been decent for Valencia but rarely have I seen him do anything that warranted the kind of hype/praise he got early on. I'll give him another season but I think he will turn out to be another Bojan i.e. crying baby, too weak for the top level.

Disco Benny wrote:Why the are people putting King in there?! IDIOTS ALL OF YOU!

He might be overrated on these board because of c**ts like TS and I,

but in the REAL World there is nothing overrated about King whatsoever! Was always overlooked for England even before his chronic knee injury, is never in the running for any of the big awards, has been usurped by Carragher for one of the best 10 defenders in the history of the Premier League FFS.

And this is a masterclass from Worms on Scholes

He's one dimensional because he lacks the ability and vision to play defense splitting through balls,creative passing and controlling a game at the highest level

Pray, do tell what "highest level" are you talking about?

CL semi final against Barcelona not good enough for you?



Has Ibrahimovic managed this?

Guardiola tells worms to shut up:

How is that controlling a game? The video is only 3.38 minutes long,50 seconds of it is the goal and the replay,so take away the replays the video is only 3 minutes long,do you know how long the Xavi and Pirlo videos are on youtube? At least 8 minutes,sometimes over 10 minutes.

That video proves my point,thank you MWP,were are the through balls and creative passes? They are no were to be seen,you call that controlling the game? I've seen Ibra control games(like against Arsenal this year at home in the CL)more than that and he's a striker.That performance is nothing special at all,I hazard a guess that if he didn't score no one would have made a video of him.

If you want to see a player control a game at the highest level AND produce many brilliant through balls which require VISION that Paul Scholes doesn't have watch this:

worms wrote:

Disco Benny wrote:Why the are people putting King in there?! IDIOTS ALL OF YOU!

He might be overrated on these board because of c**ts like TS and I,

but in the REAL World there is nothing overrated about King whatsoever! Was always overlooked for England even before his chronic knee injury, is never in the running for any of the big awards, has been usurped by Carragher for one of the best 10 defenders in the history of the Premier League FFS.

And this is a masterclass from Worms on Scholes

He's one dimensional because he lacks the ability and vision to play defense splitting through balls,creative passing and controlling a game at the highest level

Pray, do tell what "highest level" are you talking about?

CL semi final against Barcelona not good enough for you?



Has Ibrahimovic managed this?

Guardiola tells worms to shut up:

How is that controlling a game? The video is only 3.38 minutes long,50 seconds of it is the goal and the replay,so take away the replays the video is only 3 minutes long,do you know how long the Xavi and Pirlo videos are on youtube? At least 8 minutes,sometimes over 10 minutes.

That video proves my point,thank you MWP,were are the through balls and creative passes? They are no were to be seen,you call that controlling the game? I've seen Ibra control games(like against Arsenal this year at home in the CL)more than that and he's a striker.That performance is nothing special at all,I hazard a guess that if he didn't score no one would have made a video of him.

If you want to see a player control a game at the highest level AND produce many brilliant through balls which require VISION that Paul Scholes doesn't have watch this:

http://pesstatsdatabase.com/viewtopic.php?f=188&t=8231&start=20
Dribble Accuracy: 87
Short Pass Accuracy: 92
Short Pass Speed: 85
Long Pass Accuracy: 93
Long Pass Speed: 95
SPECIAL ABILITIES:
★ Positioning
★ Reaction
★ Playmaking
★ Middle Shooting
★ Centre
★ 1-Touch Pass
★ Outside

PES Stats

Super Winner wrote:
Also I don't get Balotelli being on people's list. He is a really good player and has proven that many times this season even if he is crazy.

He's not crazy, just a publicity seeker. We have 2 better forwards at Newcastle, and if Mancini wasn't such a pussy he would've been finished at City ages ago. He has some talent, but is a player that sometimes needs to be subbed before halftime because he is a mental midget.

The Easter Bunny wrote:

worms wrote:

Disco Benny wrote:Why the are people putting King in there?! IDIOTS ALL OF YOU!

He might be overrated on these board because of c**ts like TS and I,

but in the REAL World there is nothing overrated about King whatsoever! Was always overlooked for England even before his chronic knee injury, is never in the running for any of the big awards, has been usurped by Carragher for one of the best 10 defenders in the history of the Premier League FFS.

And this is a masterclass from Worms on Scholes

He's one dimensional because he lacks the ability and vision to play defense splitting through balls,creative passing and controlling a game at the highest level

Pray, do tell what "highest level" are you talking about?

CL semi final against Barcelona not good enough for you?



Has Ibrahimovic managed this?

Guardiola tells worms to shut up:

How is that controlling a game? The video is only 3.38 minutes long,50 seconds of it is the goal and the replay,so take away the replays the video is only 3 minutes long,do you know how long the Xavi and Pirlo videos are on youtube? At least 8 minutes,sometimes over 10 minutes.

That video proves my point,thank you MWP,were are the through balls and creative passes? They are no were to be seen,you call that controlling the game? I've seen Ibra control games(like against Arsenal this year at home in the CL)more than that and he's a striker.That performance is nothing special at all,I hazard a guess that if he didn't score no one would have made a video of him.

If you want to see a player control a game at the highest level AND produce many brilliant through balls which require VISION that Paul Scholes doesn't have watch this:

http://pesstatsdatabase.com/viewtopic.php?f=188&t=8231&start=20
Dribble Accuracy: 87
Short Pass Accuracy: 92
Short Pass Speed: 85
Long Pass Accuracy: 93
Long Pass Speed: 95
SPECIAL ABILITIES:
★ Positioning
★ Reaction
★ Playmaking
★ Middle Shooting
★ Centre
★ 1-Touch Pass
★ Outside

PES Stats

Compare them to Xavi's.

@Worms,

firstly, no one is claiming Xavi is overrated. Xavi has been voted into the shortlist of the FIFA World player of the Year countless number of times.

Paul Scholes, on the otherhand has never been close when it comes to voting for these individual accolades, yet according to you he's overrated, whilst idiots who know nothing of the game like Guardiola, Zidane, Henry and the like have all been quite clear in claiming he is one of the best players of the last decade.

Secondly, that was just one mere example darling, but note who scored the decisive goal from long range. I would suggest that took some vision. Not satisfied? Would you like to me to dredge up many, many more of Scholes producing the goods in big games against the likes of Inter Milan, Bayern Munich, Real Madrid, AC Milan etc?

You can youtube Scholes passing compilations yourself. Try the Scholes Pass for Rooney's goal Vs AC Milan. In another CL semi final (2:30):



Not "highest level" enough for you?

If Scholes is overrated, I shudder to think what word we need to invent for the object of your affections that is Zlatan "best striker in the World" Ibrahimovic.

@Superwinner: I don't know why, but I just feel Canales would be a success in England. I had the same feeling about Modric when we first signed him and everyone thought he was too lightweight. Hope he doesn't become another unfulfilled talent.

Jaime <3s Ozil+Khedira wrote:

Disco Benny wrote:Poor Giovani, can't even get a game for us, barely anyone knows he's even still alive, and yet is still deemed overrated

He has been overrated since his days in la Masia. messiah was proclaiming he was 'the next Messi'. Even the other day TS was alluding to the fact that 'Arry wasn't using him...as if he would do anything even if he was used!

Never said he would be the next messi, and he isn't overrated as the WC proved, he was just represented by a shit again and still is if memory serves me right, should never have gone to the prem.


Song

Kimbo wrote:

Super Winner wrote:
Also I don't get Balotelli being on people's list. He is a really good player and has proven that many times this season even if he is crazy.

He's not crazy, just a publicity seeker. We have 2 better forwards at Newcastle, and if Mancini wasn't such a pussy he would've been finished at City ages ago. He has some talent, but is a player that sometimes needs to be subbed before halftime because he is a mental midget.

I don't disagree but that doesn't make overrated, just flawed. If he ever matures than there is little holding him back from becoming one of the best forwards around.

Disco Benny wrote:@Worms,

@Superwinner: I don't know why, but I just feel Canales would be a success in England. I had the same feeling about Modric when we first signed him and everyone thought he was too lightweight. Hope he doesn't become another unfulfilled talent.

I certainly hope for Spurs' case that they don't buy him because he is nowhere near mature enough. He showed that for us and has shown it for Valencia when he got the chance although there was some improvement for Valencia but it was from a low point so should be expected. I give him another season at Valencia and then we will see. Otherwise he does fit in terms of style as somebody to take over from VDV.

Super Winner wrote:

Disco Benny wrote:@Worms,

@Superwinner: I don't know why, but I just feel Canales would be a success in England. I had the same feeling about Modric when we first signed him and everyone thought he was too lightweight. Hope he doesn't become another unfulfilled talent.

I certainly hope for Spurs' case that they don't buy him because he is nowhere near mature enough. He showed that for us and has shown it for Valencia when he got the chance although there was some improvement for Valencia but it was from a low point so should be expected. I give him another season at Valencia and then we will see. Otherwise he does fit in terms of style as somebody to take over from VDV.

To be fair, he hasn't really had a chance to show whether or not he was mature enough or not. He had his break out season with Racing. Then sat on the bench in Madrid last year and has been injured almost this entire season. As soon as Jose arrived he should have gone back on loan to Racing for a season or two. I still think he's got a bright future.

worms wrote:

The Easter Bunny wrote:

worms wrote:

Disco Benny wrote:Why the are people putting King in there?! IDIOTS ALL OF YOU!

He might be overrated on these board because of c**ts like TS and I,

but in the REAL World there is nothing overrated about King whatsoever! Was always overlooked for England even before his chronic knee injury, is never in the running for any of the big awards, has been usurped by Carragher for one of the best 10 defenders in the history of the Premier League FFS.

And this is a masterclass from Worms on Scholes

He's one dimensional because he lacks the ability and vision to play defense splitting through balls,creative passing and controlling a game at the highest level

Pray, do tell what "highest level" are you talking about?

CL semi final against Barcelona not good enough for you?



Has Ibrahimovic managed this?

Guardiola tells worms to shut up:

How is that controlling a game? The video is only 3.38 minutes long,50 seconds of it is the goal and the replay,so take away the replays the video is only 3 minutes long,do you know how long the Xavi and Pirlo videos are on youtube? At least 8 minutes,sometimes over 10 minutes.

That video proves my point,thank you MWP,were are the through balls and creative passes? They are no were to be seen,you call that controlling the game? I've seen Ibra control games(like against Arsenal this year at home in the CL)more than that and he's a striker.That performance is nothing special at all,I hazard a guess that if he didn't score no one would have made a video of him.

If you want to see a player control a game at the highest level AND produce many brilliant through balls which require VISION that Paul Scholes doesn't have watch this:

http://pesstatsdatabase.com/viewtopic.php?f=188&t=8231&start=20
Dribble Accuracy: 87
Short Pass Accuracy: 92
Short Pass Speed: 85
Long Pass Accuracy: 93
Long Pass Speed: 95
SPECIAL ABILITIES:
★ Positioning
★ Reaction
★ Playmaking
★ Middle Shooting
★ Centre
★ 1-Touch Pass
★ Outside

PES Stats

Compare them to Xavi's.

Worms, i'm not comparing him to Xavi or anyone. Merely using your methods of evaluation of a player to suggest he is more than just a 1 dimensional player.

The Easter Bunny wrote:

worms wrote:

The Easter Bunny wrote:

worms wrote:

Disco Benny wrote:Why the are people putting King in there?! IDIOTS ALL OF YOU!

He might be overrated on these board because of c**ts like TS and I,

but in the REAL World there is nothing overrated about King whatsoever! Was always overlooked for England even before his chronic knee injury, is never in the running for any of the big awards, has been usurped by Carragher for one of the best 10 defenders in the history of the Premier League FFS.

And this is a masterclass from Worms on Scholes

He's one dimensional because he lacks the ability and vision to play defense splitting through balls,creative passing and controlling a game at the highest level

Pray, do tell what "highest level" are you talking about?

CL semi final against Barcelona not good enough for you?



Has Ibrahimovic managed this?

Guardiola tells worms to shut up:

How is that controlling a game? The video is only 3.38 minutes long,50 seconds of it is the goal and the replay,so take away the replays the video is only 3 minutes long,do you know how long the Xavi and Pirlo videos are on youtube? At least 8 minutes,sometimes over 10 minutes.

That video proves my point,thank you MWP,were are the through balls and creative passes? They are no were to be seen,you call that controlling the game? I've seen Ibra control games(like against Arsenal this year at home in the CL)more than that and he's a striker.That performance is nothing special at all,I hazard a guess that if he didn't score no one would have made a video of him.

If you want to see a player control a game at the highest level AND produce many brilliant through balls which require VISION that Paul Scholes doesn't have watch this:

http://pesstatsdatabase.com/viewtopic.php?f=188&t=8231&start=20
Dribble Accuracy: 87
Short Pass Accuracy: 92
Short Pass Speed: 85
Long Pass Accuracy: 93
Long Pass Speed: 95
SPECIAL ABILITIES:
★ Positioning
★ Reaction
★ Playmaking
★ Middle Shooting
★ Centre
★ 1-Touch Pass
★ Outside

PES Stats

Compare them to Xavi's.

Worms, i'm not comparing him to Xavi or anyone. Merely using your methods of evaluation of a player to suggest he is more than just a 1 dimensional player.

Those stats don't show he is more than a 1 dimensional player.

debaser wrote:

Hlebagone wrote:

debaser wrote:Mignolet
Ivanovic-Hangeland-P.Jones-Enrique
Fellaini-Lucas
A.Johnson-Tuncay-Rodallega
Adebayor

Some have gone from under- to over- rated (Hangeland, Lucas), some just don't seem to live up to potential (Fellaini, Johnson), some I'm not sure are actually rated but was running short of ideas (Mignolet, Rodallega, Tuncay)

I was thinking that about Fellaini, but he was an unstoppable force against Man Utd this weekend.

Well yeah that's what reminded me of him - but why doesn't he do that more often? His first season here, he was scoring regularly, I thought he'd build on that, but seems to have stagnated at best. He's surprisingly still only 24 so time yet..

He started match in Cahill position, so that's why he was dangerous in the final third. Normally he is playing as one of CMs and despite his limitations (starting with passing range) he is usually doing well. Would definitely fit in better team.

How has no one picked Ramsey...

Rosicky wrote:How has no one picked Ramsey...

'cause he's only a kid and he seems to get slagged off by Arsenal fans more than rated?

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